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An MX-5, CTS-V, and gt500 ranked better than a zr1. Yeah ok. Who the fuck did the testing, tony romo or richrad simmons?
I didn't even think about that. The ZR1 pulls like 1.1g's on the skidpad, right? How many factory cars do that? I guarantee you the gt500 doesn't.
 

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The Camry had been on their 10 best cars list for a number of years running; at least it was until 2006, when the new Camry came out and Toyota refused to sponsor Motor Trend. Where was it that year? Not even selected to be reviewed after having been on their 10 best lists for numerous years prior.
thank you!!!!!



media owners and journalists do take bribes, perks, and comps from all different type of business's so they can achieve better results for the viewing public...
 

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Motor Trend doesn't do a "10 Best" list. That's Car and Driver.



Again, quantitative measurements were not the only variables tested. Their beef with the ZR1 was that while it's an extremely precise tool, it requires a driver of great aptitude to be driven quickly. Pobst himself even said that he was on edge constantly while driving it and never quite felt comfortable.
So there is a "how big of a pussy are you" factor in the best handling ratings?
 

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Motor Trend doesn't do a "10 Best" list. That's Car and Driver.
So you think Motor Trend is above that? I couldn't remember exactly which magazine it was, but if one magazine takes bribes and "sponsorships" then I'm gonna go ahead and say that 99.9% of them would.
 

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So you think Motor Trend is above that? I couldn't remember exactly which magazine it was, but if one magazine takes bribes and "sponsorships" then I'm gonna go ahead and say that 99.9% of them would.
Yep this shit has been going on for years!!! "Bribery and Business Ethics" is a interesting topic if you ever major in a business degree
 

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So you think Motor Trend is above that? I couldn't remember exactly which magazine it was, but if one magazine takes bribes and "sponsorships" then I'm gonna go ahead and say that 99.9% of them would.
Not saying they are, but what you provided did little to satisfy what was asked and was completely inaccurate and 100% incorrect.

I'm not the one making blanket statements here.
 

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well randy drove for porsche and is currently with Audi. hmmmmm...... Who came in first and second again????:rolleyes:
Pobst's opinion was not the only one represented in the final tally. I'd suggest reading the article before you continue to make baseless claims. I'm not totally in agreement with the list (it's a fucking magazine comparo; someone, somewhere will always have some beef with it), but you're assuming that it's a list that was decided out of personal choice and ignoring that there's a pretty extensive article that tags along with this list that covers the reasoning behind the selections.
 

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So there is a "how big of a pussy are you" factor in the best handling ratings?
Easy to drive ≠ Easy to drive fast, as per Motor Trend. It's a measurement that's easy to rag on because of its subjectivity, but it's part of what they considered. Not my call, theirs.
 

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Not saying they are, but what you provided did little to satisfy what was asked and was completely inaccurate and 100% incorrect.

I'm not the one making blanket statements here.
The first statement I made about the Camry disappearing from the best cars of the year lists was fact. Toyota came out and publicly announced that they would no longer participate in the bribing-the-media-game and as soon as they announced that, their flagship disappeared from every "best" list it was previously on in any form of media.
 

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The first statement I made about the Camry disappearing from the best cars of the year lists was fact. Toyota came out and publicly announced that they would no longer participate in the bribing-the-media-game and as soon as they announced that, their flagship disappeared from every "best" list it was previously on in any form of media.
Your statements are becoming increasingly vague as the more detailed aspects of it lose credence. You may be correct, but I've still yet to find anything more on what you've said about Toyota refusing to advertise in magazines.
 

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well randy drove for porsche and is currently with Audi. hmmmmm...... Who came in first and second again????:rolleyes:
Explain to me why a driver would select the factory vehicles of companies he formerly raced for?

"I haven't worked for you for a few years now, but I really want to taint the results of this comparison so I'm going to select your vehicle near the top of the list because I used to drive your race cars, which are pretty much exactly the same as these street cars. Basically. Can you please send some money my way for doing this? Thx."
 

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I agree with you, to a point. You can't take a magazine's opinion as truth, but I think there's still a lot to be taken away from it, especially when they've got a professional shoe with a pretty decent pedigree (Randy Pobst) that's there giving his opinion as well.
Right, so long as they're saying what you want to hear, right? :) Just curious though, have you driven one?
 

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It is a 10 best list, but they only tested 10 cars.

The list is a POS, not a single piece of Italian metal was included.
Lol those expensive cars hardly have any metal left in them.
 

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I'm kind of surprised that the "magazine ethics," non-sequitor is the one popping up in this discussion. If we're trying to find a good driver's car, to me that's a car that's comfortable on the street, and can make good on the track. If we're talking the drag track, then the ZR-1 and Camaro SS SHOULD take the top honors, but I think that kind of logic should be reserved for a "best street brawlers" article, and the GT500 would make its presence known there as well. The sun and moon don't rise and set at the will of an LSX. A "best driver's car" article should rightly include the Cayman and the Miata, and they should rightly dominate a muscle car in that respect. Anyone expecting their 1000hp highway assassin Camaro or Mustang to do well against those cars on a tight, technical race track is delusional. That's even mentioned in the article with the stoplight warrior reference. They pointed that difference out, and you guys still aren't happy?
 

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1. 2009 Porsche Cayman S PDK: Base price: $75,800 http://www.canadiandriver.com/2009/07/07/test-drive-2009-porsche-cayman-s-pdk.htm/3
2. 2009 Audi R8 : MSRP:123,300 http://www.automobilemag.com/am/2009/audi/r8/prices.html
3. 2009 MX-5 Miata : MSRP $21,750 - $28,190 http://autos.yahoo.com/2009_mazda_mx_5_miata/
4. 2009 Cadillac CTS-V: MSRP: From $58,575 http://www.edmunds.com/cadillac/ctsv/2009/review.html
5. 2010 Shelby GT500: MSRP: From $46,325 http://www.edmunds.com/ford/shelbygt500/2010/index.html
6. 2009 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 :starts at $103,300. http://jalopnik.com/396344/2009-corvette-zr1-pricing-released-638-hp-for-103300
7. 2010 Nissan NISMO 350Z: Priced at $38,070 http://www.egmcartech.com/2007/06/13/nissan-announces-pricing-on-2007-nismo-350z/
8. 2010 Jaguar XFR: $79,150.00 MSRP http://www.internetautoguide.com/car-pricing/99-int/2010/jaguar/xf/r-sedan/1189/index.html
9. 2009 BMW 135i: $35,850 MSRP http://autos.yahoo.com/2009_bmw_1_series/
10. 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS: $30,995 MSRP http://www.autoblog.com/2008/10/13/2010-chevrolet-camaro-priced-ls-22-995-ss-30-995/

What were the requirements for this comparo? MSRP obviously was not, seeing that in many cases the Camaro is $20-$70,000 less than it's competition... How do you expect a vehicle at that price point to even come close to the competition? I'm not a Camaro nuthugger, but how can you expect a $30,000 car to compete with $50, $70 and $100,000 cars? It won't. You get what you pay for.

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