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Well, they have started making babies the "new way" now! No sperm is even needed from what I read about it, guess us guys better watch out!

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Group claims first cloned human born
Clonaid founded by Raelians, who believe aliens created humans
Friday, December 27, 2002 Posted: 11:41 AM EST (1641 GMT)


Brigitte Boisselier, scientific director of Clonaid, said the first cloned human baby was born Thursday.


HOLLYWOOD, Florida (CNN) -- A company founded by a religious group that believes humans were created by extraterrestrials said Friday that it has created the first human clone -- a 7-pound baby girl named "Eve."

"I am very pleased to announce that the first baby clone is born," said Brigitte Boisselier, the scientific director of Clonaid and a bishop in the group, called the Raelians. "She was born yesterday at 11:55 a.m. in the country where she was born. She is fine."

Boisselier refused to disclose where Eve was born but did reveal that the mother is a 31-year-old American citizen. She said Eve was created using DNA from the mother's skin cells and is a twin of her mother.

Boisselier offered no immediate proof of her claim -- or photographs of the baby. She said the baby is healthy, and that the family is "very happy."

At the conference, Boisselier said four other cloned babies are expected to be born by February.

She said that she is allowing a freelance journalist to verify her claim. To that end, freelance journalist and physicist Dr. Michael Guillen has picked a panel of independent experts to investigate.

"I have accepted on two conditions: that the invitation be given with no strings attached whatsoever and that the tests be conducted by a group of independent world-class experts," Guillen said.

The experts will begin their tests in a few days when Eve returns home, Boisselier said. Results of the tests are expected in eight to nine days.

Clonaid, which calls itself the "first human cloning company," was founded by the Raelians in 1997. The Raelian movement professes that life on Earth was created through genetic engineering by extraterrestrials.

The Raelians believe their spiritual leader -- former French journalist Claude Vorilhon who now calls himself Rael -- is a direct descendant of these aliens. He says he has met with aliens and visited their planet. Rael told CNN in July 2001 that the long-term goal for human cloning is to live forever.

Rael says the Raelians eventually want to learn how to clone an adult and then "transfer the brain to the clone." Boisselier said she hopes to one day open cloning clinics on each continent to help infertile couples have families.

More clones on the way?
To make a clone, scientists first take an egg and remove all of its genetic material. Then the nucleus of a cell -- any cell in the body -- is taken from the individual to be cloned and inserted into the hollowed-out egg.

The cell is then given a jolt of electricity or put in a chemical bath to activate cell division -- essentially tricking the cell into doing what a fertilized egg would normally do. Then the embryo is implanted into a woman's uterus who carries the baby to term.

Boisselier said Clonaid used this procedure of electricity to activate cell division for Eve.

At the conference, Boisselier defended human cloning, saying she is giving hope to infertile parents.

"Is my science, giving babies to parents who have been dying to get one with their own genes, is my science worse than the ones who are preparing bombs to kill people?" Boisselier said. "I am creating life."

Eve is one of ten implantations done by Clonaid. Five babies were spontaneously terminated during the first few weeks of pregnancy, Boisselier said. The next baby is expected to be born next week in northern Europe. Three other cloned human babies should be born by early February; Boisselier revealed that two of the expecting sets of parents are from Asia and another is from North America. She also said one couple is lesbian and two had babies who died and were then cloned by Clonaid.

Despite the success of the procedure, Boisselier said the event should be kept in perspective.

"It's very important to remember we are talking about a baby," Boisselier said. "She is not a monster or some result of something that is disgusting. She is a very healthy baby with very happy parents."

Rael and the parents of Eve were not at the press conference.

The Raelians are also not the only group claiming to actively try to clone a human.

Italian doctor Severino Antinori made several announcements in recent months, claiming that a woman was carrying a human clone, which would be born in January. And former University of Kentucky professor Panos Zavos has also announced plans to clone a human, but he told CNN earlier this year he had not successfully created an embryo yet.

While the Bush administration has not reacted specifically to the news, the president earlier this year made his position clear -- he objects to any form of cloning.

In an April 10 speech urging the Senate to support a bill banning human cloning in the United States, Bush called the practice "deeply troubling" and said "even the most noble ends do not justify any means."

"Life is a creation, not a commodity," he had said. "Our children are gifts to be loved and protected, not products to be designed and manufactured."
 

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They sure are keeping alot secret. I smell hoax.

These guys wanted so badly to be first, they may just lie about it since the docs in Italy may be first.

This is a great quote:
"Life is a creation, not a commodity," he had said. "Our children are gifts to be loved and protected, not products to be designed and manufactured."
 

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They sure are keeping alot secret. I smell hoax.
I think part of that is so they don't get arrested, and don't want too much information leaking out about how they actually did it. I don't doubt the ability to do it, with all the advances in science and medice, and computers. Makes you wonder though. If it is true, I hope that little child has a normal, healthy, happy life.
 

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I saw that up here at work on CNN. The chick that was giving the report looked fucked up. Hope the kid doesnt look like her.
ummmm.....let me see, clone, mother, yeah, the baby is screwed.
 

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I think part of that is so they don't get arrested, and don't want too much information leaking out about how they actually did it. I don't doubt the ability to do it, with all the advances in science and medice, and computers. Makes you wonder though. If it is true, I hope that little child has a normal, healthy, happy life.
I dont doubt the technology either, but I wont believe it until they prove it to be a real clone without defects. Also, the DNA came from a 30 year old woman. That would mean that the baby even though only hours old has 30 year old DNA. Is the baby going to start having health issues at 20 just like Dolly the sheep?
 

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When I was living in France, I actually met some people that were followers of Claude Rael....what a bunch of kooks!! I read their "book" just for kicks and it was a real riot...I think it was called "they took me to their planet." They go through the bible and explain how everything is explained by science. Here's an example of how wacky they are....They believe that your brain is a big radio transmitter/receiver. If you grow your hair long, the hair acts as a better antenna for your receiever and allows you to more easily communicate with the "Elohim" (his word for the "gods" that created us. (petrie dish world). They also believe that you should never deny someone their opportunity to have pleasure. IOW, if someone wants to have sex with you because it would bring them pleasure, it's a sin to deny them! (orgy sect!! ) :D The book I read was absolutely hilarious...I highly recommend it to anyone wanting to see a skewed view of religion! :D BTW, he used to be a sports writer before he was "chosen".
 

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Wouldnt that have been some shit if IT was born on 25th. :eek:
 

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Well, they have started making babies the "new way" now! No sperm is even needed from what I read about it, guess us guys better watch out!

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Copy of report...

Group claims first cloned human born
Clonaid founded by Raelians, who believe aliens created humans
Friday, December 27, 2002 Posted: 11:41 AM EST (1641 GMT)


Brigitte Boisselier, scientific director of Clonaid, said the first cloned human baby was born Thursday.


HOLLYWOOD, Florida (CNN) -- A company founded by a religious group that believes humans were created by extraterrestrials said Friday that it has created the first human clone -- a 7-pound baby girl named "Eve."

"She was born yesterday at 11:55 a.m. in the country where she was born. She is fine."


Clonaid, which calls itself the "first human cloning company," was founded by the Raelians in 1997. The Raelian movement professes that life on Earth was created through genetic engineering by extraterrestrials.

The Raelians believe their spiritual leader -- former French journalist Claude Vorilhon who now calls himself Rael -- is a direct descendant of these aliens. He says he has met with aliens and visited their planet. Rael told CNN in July 2001 that the long-term goal for human cloning is to live forever.

Rael says the Raelians eventually want to learn how to clone an adult and then "transfer the brain to the clone." Boisselier said she hopes to one day open cloning clinics on each continent to help infertile couples have families.


Allright you have to take this at face value, here people, this group belives that we were all created by aliens and seems all to much like a cult with a "spiiritual leader" So I mean c'mon now :D
 

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They need to clone a whole bunch of totally hot chicks, like 1,000,000 of them, train them to be freaks, and turn them all loose at once !
CLONE JENNA JAMESON!!
CLONE DEVON!!!
CLONE BRIANA BANKS!!

I COMMAND IT, LET IT BE DONE!!

I'll be charge of QC, send them to my house....
 

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I think they are a bunch of kooks. It will be interesting to see if they did actually pull it off (doubtful).
 

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I think they are a bunch of kooks. It will be interesting to see if they did actually pull it off (doubtful).
I really don't think there would be much difference between a sheep being cloned and a Human being cloned, other than where it is left to mature (as far as the process to actually have a living clone). I agree that they are a bunch of kooks, but I think they really did clone a Human.

Makes Jurasic Park not seem so impossible??? I heard where they were trying to do that with Wooly Mammoths, use the DNA of one and an elephant to bring that species back from the dead. (Discovery Channel show).
 

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I dont think they will be cloned with implants;)
You clone em and we'll stuff em...

i'll just be glad when they can clone me a new liver, i think i got this one just about finished off.

Also, did you guys see the part about how they want to clone bodies and transplant brains to the new body...A LA immortality. I'm going to tell them to make this big old horsedick that I got a little smaller, I keep tripping over it when I get up in the morning, its really annoying sometimes :)
 
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