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In the wake of the events since last Friday, I feel it's necessary to explain the sale of DFWstangs, some of its history and its future.

In the 11 years since DFWstangs was started, a lot has changed in my live as I am sure it is with everyone else. Next year I will be 40. I have a wonderful wife and two great kids ages 5 and 18 months. I have a job that I like but takes up way too much outside time since I work 9-10 hrs a day and I am on call 24/7 pretty much all the time.

My family is the most important thing to me and I want to spend as much time with them as possible. As the kids get older and older, they will require more and more time: coaching soccer, doing cub scouts, taking my daughter to dance lessons, etc. I am looking forward to doing all of that stuff. My wife and I would also like to travel more. Unfortunately, so might my regular job.

Over the last year I have started to consider not doing DFWstangs anymore. I haven't had the motivation to spend the extra time required to get the software upgrades, new features, and general maintenance done that needed to be done. I don't like going down to the data center in the middle of the night to repair hardware or fix security holes after a hacker has got in and the servers have been shut down. I don't like dealing with spammers trying to fill the forums with their junk. I don't like people threatening to sue me 2-3 times a year for what people say on the forums. I didn't like worrying about the servers crashing or database corruptions that would cause outages for you all. I was worried about the economy and all of the advertisers leaving since they no longer had the budget for it. And I did that all the time. I am the only one to do any of that.

As I was considering what to do, Autoguide contacted me and wanted to discuss purchasing the site. They assured me that all of the existing moderators would stay in place, advertiser agreements would be honored, existing rules would stay in effect, and would do as little as possible to disrupt the character of the community, which is what makes it popular. Since I have been no more than the "man behind the scenes" for the last couple years or more anyway, I saw this as a positive for DFWstangs. They are experienced, knowledgeable and motivated to keep DFWstangs moving forwards and provide the bext experience for the members and the advertisers well into the future. Part of the agreement was that I not tell anyone about the sale until it has been completed. That happened last Friday when I first informed the moderators through the Hired Hands forum (but I don't think anyone checked in time) and then through The Back Porch.

Autoguide has lived up to what they said. The transition to their servers was almost flawless concerning the complexity. The changes made have been minimal and have been blown completely out of proportion. They have provided a dedicated resource that is extremely knowledgeable in running forums and has asked for anything you want changed and done several of them already. Philip is very easy to work with and his job is to make DFWstangs the best it can be and I know he will do a great job of that.

As far as censoring posts and removing users, they did nothing different that I would have done in the same situation. Only people who broke the rules I had instated were banned. Posting links to competing sites is not allowed and porn, illegal material, and hate speech are reasons for immediate banning and have been all the time.

One major topic that has come up is ownership of DFWstangs. Some people think they know how it is but they don't. Below are the facts since the first days of DFWstangs.

1. DFWstangs.net and DFWstangs.com were purchased by me and renewed each year by me.
2. I paid for all the hosting for the site throughout the years, from the days it was on a shared server to being on 5 dedicated servers in a datacenter with a 100mb/s link; for the years it lost money, the years it broke even, and the years it made money.
3. DFWstangs.net is a sole proprietorship registered to me.
4. I purchased all of the software and maintenance agreements for the site, and keep all of the applications and operating systems running.
5. I wrote all of the software for the site that wasn't purchased.
6. I purchased the servers for the site.
7. I manage all of the business parts of the site including billing,receivables and pay income tax on all the revenue.
8. I set the rules for the site.

It has been over 7 years since I have even talked to Jose either in person, on the phone or via IM. I have maybe got a handful of PMs from him in the last several years, and those haven't even been about the operation of the site. I honestly didn't even know he was still around. I offered to meet with him to discuss but he refused. His role in the site would have not changed under the new owners, since I'm the one that kept the lights on and that is the only part that would have changed.

In closing, change is inevitable. The more you resist change, the more change there will be. Considering the limited front facing role I had, I thought this change would bee much less drastic than when I switched to Vbulletin from UBB or changed the classifieds over to Photopost, since those were user impacting and this one really isn't. I hope all of you that have negative feeling toward the site will take the previous information in, think about it, and then make the decision on your next action. For those that are neutral or consider this a positive thing, please give it some time to see how things work out. I do believe DFWstangs will be better than ever. If you do have any further questions or comments, please post back and I will answer or you can send me a PM.

Thank you all
Chris
 

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I posted this on the "other" site, and posting this here as an FYI:

I understand Chris' perspective, and why he decided to sell the site... I do think things should have been handled differently and he should of declined selling the site if he could not discuss the sale with the members/users prior to the sale.

I don't necessarily have a problem with the advertisement, but it did seem that Autoguide promised a seamless changeover with little to no change, and immediately started putting ad's all over the site... to top it off they alienated the site's loyal followers and the drastic change over without any prior communication doomed the entire transaction. I think all this would have gone down much better if chris had posted the potential sale, posted his concerns and reason for selling the site, and solicited feedback from the members prior to selling it off. Chris might have been the majority financial backer of the site, but we all were owners of what made the site what it is... you can't just make a wholesale change and expect a perfect transition.

I like it here now, it really does seem to recapture what made the old site great, and I have seen alot of members return that had been absent or silent. I don't plan on going back, but it will always have a fond place in my heart.

Thanks Chris and Jose for everything you did, but times have changed and it's time to move on to bigger and better things.
 

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gotta do what you gotta do man!! Family is most definitely first in the line-up of priorities. I believe you are a good man for your concern of family. Enjoy all the time you can with them!
 

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*best.
 

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Honestly didn't know I was around? You really haven't been on the board much (in the last 7 or 8 years). I'm here every day, all day... or at least I was. You choose to do be the "man behind the scenes" while I was the "face" of DFW Stangs. You left me out of the business end while I organized events and interacted with everybody. We started it together and I guess all those years "behind the scenes" you forgot that. And as far as wanting to meet me, that should have been done months ago when you were considering making changes. The core of the Admins would have stepped up and taken over. That would have been a seamless change as no one would have really noticed you were gone. Not so surprisingly, I didn't have to do anything and everybody abandoned ship after setting it on fire.
 

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This is about how I assumed things were run and how it actually went down. Thanks for airing it out. If Jose did indeed stay on in the same role he's been in, I would stay, too. I don't notice the ads. I think maybe my browser blocks them automatically.

The new "Administrator" would have been much better off if he had just kept his mouth shut. Did you warn him? This site is brutal, especially to newbs, and clearly it is hostile towards a newb coming in saying they'll be running shit from now
on. As "rude" or "harsh" as we can be, that's part of what we are here for. Phillip should have been even more professional by staying in the shadows. I know his intention was to ask what we wanted improved, but it wasn't worth it.

Like I said, the ads don't bug me. I never met Chris, so I don't care where
he's from or where the new ownership is from.

On the new site, it's been said that "It's not the URL, but the people thy
make the website worth being on. So, can't it be said that "it's not the ownership. But the people."? Either way, I'll be where they are. I'd prefer that they come back here, just because of all the posts in the archives, but itmay just be too late.
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Honestly didn't know I was around? You really haven't been on the board much (in the last 7 or 8 years). I'm here every day, all day... or at least I was. You choose to do be the "man behind the scenes" while I was the "face" of DFW Stangs. You left me out of the business end while I organized events and interacted with everybody. We started it together and I guess all those years "behind the scenes" you forgot that. And as far as wanting to meet me, that should have been done months ago when you were considering making changes. The core of the Admins would have stepped up and taken over. That would have been a seamless change as no one would have really noticed you were gone. Not so surprisingly, I didn't have to do anything and everybody abandoned ship after setting it on fire.
Sorry this happened to you Jose..


<---last post for good. Goodbye old site, see my friends at our new home.
 

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Facts and your reality aren't really lining up, Chris. A simple look to Jose's profile would have shown "last online 10 min ago" instead of "last online 2003"

You cashed out and no one will blame you for that, but stepping on the backs of the users to get to your payday is less than ideal, wouldn't you say?

And management is already changing the daily standard operating procedures. The bulk of the big players have either been banned or gone on suicide missions. I've just faded to black. The activity has dramatically dropped off and will continue to do so. That's the thing about loyalty.

Best of luck.
 

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All bullshit to the wayside, You should have Kept The Site in the Family! You sold this whole community out for a dollar! I am sure if you had taken the time to let others know what the situation was, Someone, here, Local, and in our coummunity would have stepped up to the plate and bought the site from you.

No such chance was given to anyone.

SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN OF YOUR PERSONAL ISSUES WITH THE SITE A LONG TIME AGO!

YOU SOLD US DOWN THE RIVER AND YESTERDAY DON'T MEAN SHIT!

YOU WERE NEVER AROUND! JOSE HAS ALWAYS BEEN AROUND.

JOSE SHOULD HAVE HAD THE FIRST OPTION TO BUY THIS SITE YOU SELFISH FUCKING PRICK!!!!!!!

YOU NO LONGER OWN THIS SITE, AND I COULD CARELESS WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT ANY OF IT.

NOT EVEN GOING TO READ YOUR SORRY LIST OF EXCUSES, FOR EVEN BEING HEAR TRYING TO EXPLAIN YOURSELF, TO THE SITE, AFTER THE FACT.

YOU SELFISH FUCKING PRICK.


FUCK YOU.
 

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All bullshit to the wayside, You should have Kept The Site in the Family! You sold this whole community out for a dollar! I am sure if you had taken the time to let others know what the situation was, Someone, here, Local, and in our coummunity would have stepped up to the plate and bought the site from you.

No such chance was given to anyone.

SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN OF YOUR PERSONAL ISSUES WITH THE SITE A LONG TIME AGO!

YOU SOLD US DOWN THE RIVER AND YESTERDAY DON'T MEAN SHIT!

YOU WERE NEVER AROUND! JOSE HAS ALWAYS BEEN AROUND.

JOSE SHOULD HAVE HAD THE FIRST OPTION TO BUY THIS SITE YOU SELFISH FUCKING PRICK!!!!!!!

YOU NO LONGER OWN THIS SITE, AND I COULD CARELESS WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT ANY OF IT.

NOT EVEN GOING TO READ YOUR SORRY LIST OF EXCUSES, FOR EVEN BEING HEAR TRYING TO EXPLAIN YOURSELF, TO THE SITE, AFTER THE FACT.

YOU SELFISH FUCKING PRICK.


FUCK YOU.
Agreed Jethro
 

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All bullshit to the wayside, You should have Kept The Site in the Family! You sold this whole community out for a dollar! I am sure if you had taken the time to let others know what the situation was, Someone, here, Local, and in our coummunity would have stepped up to the plate and bought the site from you.

No such chance was given to anyone.

SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN OF YOUR PERSONAL ISSUES WITH THE SITE A LONG TIME AGO!

YOU SOLD US DOWN THE RIVER AND YESTERDAY DON'T MEAN SHIT!

YOU WERE NEVER AROUND! JOSE HAS ALWAYS BEEN AROUND.

JOSE SHOULD HAVE HAD THE FIRST OPTION TO BUY THIS SITE YOU SELFISH FUCKING PRICK!!!!!!!

YOU NO LONGER OWN THIS SITE, AND I COULD CARELESS WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT ANY OF IT.

NOT EVEN GOING TO READ YOUR SORRY LIST OF EXCUSES, FOR EVEN BEING HEAR TRYING TO EXPLAIN YOURSELF, TO THE SITE, AFTER THE FACT.

YOU SELFISH FUCKING PRICK.


FUCK YOU.

well spoken brother!
 
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