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Well it seems the Bullitts speakers are slowly fading so i'm going to be looking to upgrade. I've already got a brand new pioneer premiere headunit and right now I just need to upgrade the front speakers plus tweeters what are some brands y'all have used?
 

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I have JLs in the doors w/ MB Quart tweeters & Pioneers in the back (somehow managed to keep the mach460 look in tact) . . . bought them one by one when I ran across a good deal (out of business sales, friends upgrading, etc) . . . hate paying too much for car audio stuff b/c it's only a matter of time before thieves steal it or it's outdated . . .
 

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you have a good point if you are referring to the electronics part of car audio but thats not really an issue...

installed door speakers (including a sub if it is mounted well) are much more difficult to steal/remove than an amp or a HU.

also, speakers dont change TOO much that quickly... of course there are some improvements over time but not nearly as much as amp efficiency and head unit features changing every few years significantly.

buy some used stuff... best advice i can give you.
 

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I currently run Boston Pro 60s (active) up front and JL XR coaxials in the rear (passive with the Boston crossovers). I think it sounds pretty good. It should be even better soon! ;)

I have also used JL TRs and they were pretty good for a cheaper option.
 

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There are many 5x7 component options out there (mb quart, JL audio, etc). You will need to bypass the MACH portion of the system and run the new speakers directly from the Pioneer deck or better yet, buy an amp to drive the factory locations.
 

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I've got Polk Audio Front's & Rear's (Not components) with a Kicker CompVr 10" sub in the trunk

Sounds pretty good, even with the top down :cool:
 

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NeedleSharp said:
you have a good point if you are referring to the electronics part of car audio but thats not really an issue...

installed door speakers (including a sub if it is mounted well) are much more difficult to steal/remove than an amp or a HU.

also, speakers dont change TOO much that quickly... of course there are some improvements over time but not nearly as much as amp efficiency and head unit features changing every few years significantly.

buy some used stuff... best advice i can give you.
True. I've just had some bad experiences . . . tends to happen to all of us.
Used stuff is the way to go . . .
 

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I would not buy used speakers. Speakers are like tires and they wear out from use and abuse. High quality amps are probably the best value used. No moving parts. No wear items. They can still have issues when old, if pounded on, or if they have been really hot from low voltage or low impedance but generally they are ok used.
 

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EW said:
I would not buy used speakers. Speakers are like tires and they wear out from use and abuse. High quality amps are probably the best value used. No moving parts. No wear items. They can still have issues when old, if pounded on, or if they have been really hot from low voltage or low impedance but generally they are ok used.
Yes! Old school amps FTW! Woohoo! They don't build them like they used to! ;)
 

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Thank goodness. :p
why? The old amps are much better than the new ones. What do we have now ? Tiny super high power no balls having shit amps. The JLs are almost an exception, but still fail compared to an old Mobile Series PG, PPI Art, or Orion anything before about 1999... only real good amps on market imo are Audisons, but they are f-in grip... The good ones are near 2 gs each! :eek:
 

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why? The old amps are much better than the new ones. What do we have now ? Tiny super high power no balls having shit amps. The JLs are almost an exception, but still fail compared to an old Mobile Series PG, PPI Art, or Orion anything before about 1999... only real good amps on market imo are Audisons, but they are f-in grip... The good ones are near 2 gs each! :eek:
Open your eyes and open your mind, man. There are still newer amps on the market now (besides Audison) that are far better than anything that came out back in the 90s. Technology has come a long way. There are still companies that are putting time, money, and energy into R&D, engineering, design, and using new patented technologies that weren't even a dream 10-15 years ago. Sure, a lot of companies are playing the market by mass-producing cheap garbage to sell tons of units online and in big retail stores, but all hope is not lost.

I was a big fan of old school amps myself. I ran a system using 4 PPI (3 of them Audio Art) amps, and they were really nice. I was so set on keeping them that when they finally started crapping out on me after over 10 years, I would send them into the shop for repair. That got expensive, so I finally swapped them out for Slash amps. My only regret is that I didn't do it sooner. These things are solid and have never given me any issues. I use my own processing, but it's nice to know that if I didn't, there is a ton of tunability right there on the amp itself. I recently purchased one of the new JL HD amps (600/4) to replace the A600 running my mids, and I have no doubt that it will blow the PPI amp away in every category.

I'm still a big fan of the old PPI amps, but I'd take a Slash, HD, PDX, etc over an Audio Art amp any day of the week. That goes for anything made in the 90s, for that matter.
 

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I do not believe that technology was better in "the good old days". Since the FTC will not regulate how car amps are rated, any douche can have an amp that says 1000W/ch on it but in reality it is 100W rms @14.4V, 1K, 5% thd and people that buy that crap don't care because they want the cheapest garbage out there. The good stuff has always been expensive and will continue to be that way but with so many garbage products out there, some people are not willing to pony up when they think that 1000Wpainted on the chassis=1000W output. Buy the best you can afford and don't worry about what other people think/say.
 

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Open your eyes and open your mind, man. There are still newer amps on the market now (besides Audison) that are far better than anything that came out back in the 90s. Technology has come a long way. There are still companies that are putting time, money, and energy into R&D, engineering, design, and using new patented technologies that weren't even a dream 10-15 years ago. Sure, a lot of companies are playing the market by mass-producing cheap garbage to sell tons of units online and in big retail stores, but all hope is not lost.

I was a big fan of old school amps myself. I ran a system using 4 PPI (3 of them Audio Art) amps, and they were really nice. I was so set on keeping them that when they finally started crapping out on me after over 10 years, I would send them into the shop for repair. That got expensive, so I finally swapped them out for Slash amps. My only regret is that I didn't do it sooner. These things are solid and have never given me any issues. I use my own processing, but it's nice to know that if I didn't, there is a ton of tunability right there on the amp itself. I recently purchased one of the new JL HD amps (600/4) to replace the A600 running my mids, and I have no doubt that it will blow the PPI amp away in every category.

I'm still a big fan of the old PPI amps, but I'd take a Slash, HD, PDX, etc over an Audio Art amp any day of the week. That goes for anything made in the 90s, for that matter.
I said JLs are almost an exception... I've heard JLs and they sound good, but I honestly haven't heard them sound better than a PG ZPA or TI... ok, those are LATE 90s early 2K amps, but still holds true... The ZPAs in my dad's car are fucken phenominal, and I haven't heard anything honestly to compete with is EXCEPT the Audison VRx line... The new Focal amps sound DAMN good too, so that is another exception.

I've been in the game a long time too, and worked at a few local shops, so I am not talking out of my ass... I've been into this shit since 1992 when my dad got his first real system in what is now my Porsch. ;) The 3558s in that car are STILL one of the best amps ever made... Even call Alpine and ask them. The techs said they even piss on their $2-3K F1 crap. :rolleyes: If you don't have any clue what a 3558 is, there is no reason in continuing this debate. :eek:
 

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I said JLs are almost an exception... I've heard JLs and they sound good, but I honestly haven't heard them sound better than a PG ZPA or TI... ok, those are LATE 90s early 2K amps, but still holds true... The ZPAs in my dad's car are fucken phenominal, and I haven't heard anything honestly to compete with is EXCEPT the Audison VRx line... The new Focal amps sound DAMN good too, so that is another exception.

I've been in the game a long time too, and worked at a few local shops, so I am not talking out of my ass... I've been into this shit since 1992 when my dad got his first real system in what is now my Porsch. ;) The 3558s in that car are STILL one of the best amps ever made... Even call Alpine and ask them. The techs said they even piss on their $2-3K F1 crap. :rolleyes: If you don't have any clue what a 3558 is, there is no reason in continuing this debate. :eek:
Some of your statements are way too broad and biased though. You can name drop all day, but that doesn't validate anything. You lumped all new amps together as being inferior to old school amps, excluding only Audison. You then said JL amps are "almost an exception". I'm not familiar with the 3558, and I'm not going to google it until after I make this post, because I don't care, and it doesn't matter. It changes nothing in the debate. To make a general statement that old school amps are better than all of the new amps is just silly. If you are still "in the game" as heavily as you always have been, you should know that. There is still a lot of really good stuff coming out. Brand new designs and technologies. Breakthroughs in processing and efficiency. There was a lot of junk before and there is even more now, but it really doesn't make sense to lump all the old stuff together or all of the new stuff together, or to deny the fact that there are new amps that perform better than the amps from back in the day. It's constantly evolving. Why wouldn't it? Everything else progresses, but the engineers that make amps for a living haven't learned or applied anything new or better? Did they just decide that amps were too good already and they should start making them crappier? It just doesn't make sense, because it's all an illusion created by your stubbornness and nostalgia for old school stuff.
 

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not really in the mobile audio game anymore but it kinda sounds like you have good old day syndrome.

i think what the early 2000s offered was a plethora of manufacturers. many of them high end. shit like xtant and ppi then there was stuff with cult followings like phoenix gold. back then it was cool to open a magazine and see these brands and people setups. now i couldnt tell you which companies left the game and who turned low end.

is todays stuff better? sure, why wouldnt it be? just look at numbers as far as rms wattage and distortion. the only thing i will say, is i see a lot of UGLY as amps out there.

i know audison is a lot of coin but what about xtant? are they any good still? ppi still makes stuff too.
 

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A lot of good ole day syndrome up in hurrah...but again what do I know just had a few Slash amps with some focal utopia's and poly kevs for my rear fill.
 

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i still sport some alpine v12s. good enough (actually they are chilling in a closet cause i cant afford the alpine w505 head unit) but if i upgrade, i would probably do a digital 5.1 setup. why the hell not?
 

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Some of your statements are way too broad and biased though. You can name drop all day, but that doesn't validate anything. You lumped all new amps together as being inferior to old school amps, excluding only Audison. You then said JL amps are "almost an exception". I'm not familiar with the 3558, and I'm not going to google it until after I make this post, because I don't care, and it doesn't matter. It changes nothing in the debate. To make a general statement that old school amps are better than all of the new amps is just silly. If you are still "in the game" as heavily as you always have been, you should know that. There is still a lot of really good stuff coming out. Brand new designs and technologies. Breakthroughs in processing and efficiency. There was a lot of junk before and there is even more now, but it really doesn't make sense to lump all the old stuff together or all of the new stuff together, or to deny the fact that there are new amps that perform better than the amps from back in the day. It's constantly evolving. Why wouldn't it? Everything else progresses, but the engineers that make amps for a living haven't learned or applied anything new or better? Did they just decide that amps were too good already and they should start making them crappier? It just doesn't make sense, because it's all an illusion created by your stubbornness and nostalgia for old school stuff.
I 100% agree, Im just a HUGE PG fan, and when they sold out, I gave up on all new shit. Call me jaded, I still haven't "heard" a new style amp that I like better than the Pre TI PG shit. Sorry, its just how I feel. When I am back in town, please feel free to let me hear your JL system, I'd love to know what a JL Slash and HD amp can jam like, I know you know your shit, I just prefer my old PG stuff to anything that doesn't say VRx on the front of it... those are next on my list when I get the 04 paid for. ;)
 
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