Need to see it out in real world first
I totally agree. I won't by another diesel unless ford can not replace the 7.3 in my 97 truck.Power isn't the reason I own a 5.9....it's b/c I want to get to my destination, and b/c I've heard way too many stories about $3K-$4K repair bills on the shitty fuel systems in those later model PSDs.
Don't get me wrong, I still prefer the Ford truck over the Dodge truck, but their powertrain has a terrible track record ever since they mistakenly went away from the good ole 7.3.
I've owned three 7.3 trucks, and I loved every one of them. I'll admit that my current Dodge has been giving me some heartache, but it has nothing to do with the Cummins engine that is in it.
Navistar is going to have to do a lot more than post some good horsepower numbers to win back my confidence.
No Navistar involved in this one. The Ford / Navistar partnership ended in January and Ford kept the rights to the Powerstroke name.Power isn't the reason I own a 5.9....it's b/c I want to get to my destination, and b/c I've heard way too many stories about $3K-$4K repair bills on the shitty fuel systems in those later model PSDs.
Don't get me wrong, I still prefer the Ford truck over the Dodge truck, but their powertrain has a terrible track record ever since they mistakenly went away from the good ole 7.3.
I've owned three 7.3 trucks, and I loved every one of them. I'll admit that my current Dodge has been giving me some heartache, but it has nothing to do with the Cummins engine that is in it.
Navistar is going to have to do a lot more than post some good horsepower numbers to win back my confidence.
then why do you always seem to boast about the newer diesel engines?I totally agree. I won't by another diesel unless ford can not replace the 7.3 in my 97 truck.
Just the newer ford diesel engines. They are not worth a fuck.then why do you always seem to boast about the newer diesel engines?![]()
Hmm...well then, this could get interesting.No Navistar involved in this one. The Ford / Navistar partnership ended in January and Ford kept the rights to the Powerstroke name.
This is all Ford... their first in-house diesel ever.
I think the biggest thing is the fact that there is no SCR on the 2010+ Dodge trucks.but you just can't beat the cummins in reliability.
It's the new answer to lowering nox. Basically it's a cat that they inject urea into. It's another thing to go wrong and it's just something else you will have to remember to fill. From what I have heard the urea additive will not be cheaper per gallon and I'm not sure how much the systems hold.What is scr?
...or 6.0 disaster.Hopefully its not another 6.4 disaster...
Selective Catalytic Reduction.What is scr?
What a clusterfuck!Selective Catalytic Reduction.
Basically, there will be another aftertreatment device in the exhaust system. Exhaust will go from the turbo outlet to the DOC (diesel oxidation catalyst) / DPF (diesel particulate filter) unit just like it does now.
After that it will flow through a "decomposition tube". In the decomp tube the DEF (diesel exhaust fluid) will be injected. The DEF is a 32.5% urea solution (w/ de-ionized water). In the decomp tube the exhaust heat will break the DEF down into ammonia.
This ammonia will travel with the exhaust gasses down to the SCR unit where it will hit more catalyst beds and turn NOx into N2 (nitrogen) and H2O (water).
Expect DEF usage to be around 1-2% of fuel usage.
DEF freezes at 11*F so the tank will have to be heated with engine coolant. DEF breaks down at 120*F, so prolonged storage in hot climates will reduce it's effectiveness... and there will be NOx sensors in the exhaust feeding back to the ECM to monitor this. You can not fill the DEF tank with any other fluids, as the ECM knows the capacitance of DEF and will derate the engine if it detects anything else (or if you run out).
Right now DEF is running around $8/gal in bulk but the price is expected to drop to $2-3/gal later this year as the distribution infrastructure expands.
Here's a bad scan of the label on a drum of DEF:
(Yes, it's a Cummins/Fleetguard product, but it's for other engines. The 6.7 Cummins Turbo Diesel in the Dodge will not need it)
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We have SCR's on our Gen Sets at work (3516 Cats). They are nothing but a friggn headache.It's the new answer to lowering nox. Basically it's a cat that they inject urea into. It's another thing to go wrong and it's just something else you will have to remember to fill. From what I have heard the urea additive will not be cheaper per gallon and I'm not sure how much the systems hold.