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04-17-2008 01:14 PM
HookEm I dunno. The amount of death brought on by the Nazis and their Darwinistic experminents kinda evens those #s up.

But interpretation (wrongly so) of religion has led to many a tragedy.

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Originally Posted by Muffrazr
Global warming has hardly anything to do with human intervention. We are in the beginnings of a warming cycle.
World Hunger is a problem with geographical bad luck.
Oil Crisis is from greed on many fronts.
Nuclear weapons are a downfall of experimentation for alternate energy sources, and human imagination.
Slavery, this one may come from an earlier religion. My only opinion towards this one stems from slaves before Afri-mart was open.
Child slave labor, see above.

One serious worldly issue caused by religion, misunderstanding. This incredible misunderstanding has led to serial murders, terrorist attacks, wrongful witch hunts, inquisitions, needless to say, religion has caused a lot of death. I would imagine it has caused as much death as it has brought salvation throughout the years.
04-17-2008 01:13 PM
TexasDevilDog
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Originally Posted by RJDCobra
Most Of The Worlds Problems Are Based On Religion. Write It Down.
Global warming, acid rain, slavery, boll weevil, great depression, WWI, Bears Sterns, gas prices........ Not even close to most.
04-17-2008 12:46 PM
Zarathustra
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Originally Posted by Muffrazr
Global warming has hardly anything to do with human intervention. We are in the beginnings of a warming cycle.
World Hunger is a problem with geographical bad luck.
Oil Crisis is from greed on many fronts.
Nuclear weapons are a downfall of experimentation for alternate energy sources, and human imagination.
Slavery, this one may come from an earlier religion. My only opinion towards this one stems from slaves before Afri-mart was open.
Child slave labor, see above.

One serious worldly issue caused by religion, misunderstanding. This incredible misunderstanding has led to serial murders, terrorist attacks, wrongful witch hunts, inquisitions, needless to say, religion has caused a lot of death. I would imagine it has caused as much death as it has brought salvation throughout the years.
Well put, I would think it has caused way more. We have lots of human suffering as proof to one side, and absolutely none on the other.
04-17-2008 12:03 PM
Zarathustra
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Originally Posted by RJDCobra
Most Of The Worlds Problems Are Based On Religion. Write It Down.
Damn right. Only logical solution: down with religion.
04-17-2008 12:02 PM
Zarathustra
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Originally Posted by Quick '91 GT
I don't know if I would go that far Cobra. It really depends on which problems you count in the "most" category. Global warming....hmmmm. World hunger...hmmmm. Oil crisis....hmmmm. Nucular (GW's version) weapons...hmmm. Slavery...hmmm. Child slave labor...hmmmm. I could go on and on and maybe you can attribute some of those to religion. Let me know your thoughts if so.

But that is not to say that there are a whole fuckin lot of problems that can't be resolved because of religion. And Christianity is right there at the top with a few others.
Many could argue to all those points. The guy's got a point...
04-17-2008 11:57 AM
Quick '91 GT
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Originally Posted by RJDCobra
Most Of The Worlds Problems Are Based On Religion. Write It Down.
I don't know if I would go that far Cobra. It really depends on which problems you count in the "most" category. Global warming....hmmmm. World hunger...hmmmm. Oil crisis....hmmmm. Nucular (GW's version) weapons...hmmm. Slavery...hmmm. Child slave labor...hmmmm. I could go on and on and maybe you can attribute some of those to religion. Let me know your thoughts if so.

But that is not to say that there are a whole fuckin lot of problems that can't be resolved because of religion. And Christianity is right there at the top with a few others.
04-17-2008 09:59 AM
RJDCobra Most Of The Worlds Problems Are Based On Religion. Write It Down.
04-17-2008 08:56 AM
HookEm
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Originally Posted by RJDCobra
Most Of The Worlds Problems Are Based On Religion. Write It Down.

I guess that includes the Darwinist experiments ran by the Nazis?

Give me a break.
04-17-2008 08:11 AM
RJDCobra Most Of The Worlds Problems Are Based On Religion. Write It Down.
04-17-2008 07:53 AM
Big Thumper Zara has a nice fan base.

Zara, whats that 347 run?
04-17-2008 07:13 AM
Quick '91 GT There is just no arguing with a know-it-all HookEm. I know a few people like that at work. They read a few books, take a few TCC Philosophy classes and the next thing you know they are quoting Nietzsche.

You should know better than trying to argue with kids Hook. Shame on you!
04-16-2008 09:21 PM
HookEm Zara, FTW!!!!
How DO you do it?!?!?!?
Spot on, as usual.

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Originally Posted by Zarathustra
Answer me, do you get better parking spots because of your mental handicap? DO you have a placard/license plate designation granting you permission to park in front?

You should really look into that, maybe even disability income...
04-16-2008 09:18 PM
Zarathustra
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Originally Posted by HookEm
Oh well, experiment failed. I tried.


You are spot on as usual, Zara!
WOOT!!!!

Answer me, do you get better parking spots because of your mental handicap? DO you have a placard/license plate designation granting you permission to park in front?

You should really look into that, maybe even disability income...
04-16-2008 09:15 PM
HookEm Oh well, experiment failed. I tried.


You are spot on as usual, Zara!
WOOT!!!!

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Originally Posted by Zarathustra
Many people would argue to those points.

You'd be surprised at how much I actually do know about the bible, to be able to denounce it, one must have almost fallen prey to the mental crippling that most assuredly follows. Do you have a handicap placard/license plate on your car?
04-16-2008 09:14 PM
TexasDevilDog
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Originally Posted by HookEm
You saying that Moses' Law is relevant to the New Covenant is akin to saying slavery still exists because at one time it did, or we belong to England, etc, etc.
HookEm is correct. We don't live under Mosaic law. As Christians, we believe salvation is through grace, not works. Salvation is a gift from God through Jesus. We just have to receive the gift.
04-16-2008 09:11 PM
Zarathustra
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Originally Posted by HookEm
There are no contradictions, if you have the most basic knowledge of The Word. In the case of someone who doesn't, like yourself, you may perceive that contradictions exist but as often is true in life, false perceptions are caused by not having all the facts at your disposal.

You saying that Moses' Law is relevant to the New Covenant is akin to saying slavery still exists because at one time it did, or we belong to England, etc, etc.
Many people would argue to those points.

You'd be surprised at how much I actually do know about the bible, to be able to denounce it, one must have almost fallen prey to the mental crippling that most assuredly follows. Do you have a handicap placard/license plate on your car?
04-16-2008 09:10 PM
HookEm There are no contradictions, if you have the most basic knowledge of The Word. In the case of someone who doesn't, like yourself, you may perceive that contradictions exist but as often is true in life, false perceptions are caused by not having all the facts at your disposal.

You saying that Moses' Law is relevant to the New Covenant is akin to saying slavery still exists because at one time it did, or we belong to England, etc, etc.


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Originally Posted by Zarathustra
That most definitely does not logically follow, sir. Sorry, but comparing the contradictions in the bible to the evolution of a government in a given state is a FAAAAR stretch to prove your point. You just don't know stuff, do you?
04-16-2008 09:10 PM
Mr Majestyk
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Originally Posted by Stang Seller
I know Jesus is your new best friend, but your book calls for just as much murder and mayhem you blind ignoramus.
SS
^^^^^
Someone's never read the New Testament, and it shows LOL.

Stick to things you know about
04-16-2008 09:02 PM
Zarathustra
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Originally Posted by HookEm
You are correct, sir!
Of course, this must mean that the US is still under British law, or in the case of Texas, Spanish law.......
That most definitely does not logically follow, sir. Sorry, but comparing the contradictions in the bible to the evolution of a government in a given state is a FAAAAR stretch to prove your point. You just don't know stuff, do you?
04-16-2008 08:56 PM
HookEm
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Originally Posted by Zarathustra
Oh Exalted ONE!!! Please speak to us of your manifold christian virtues!!

It's all one book, everything in it counts and is fair game.

You are correct, sir!
Of course, this must mean that the US is still under British law, or in the case of Texas, Spanish law.......
04-16-2008 08:37 PM
Zarathustra Oh Exalted ONE!!! Please speak to us of your manifold christian virtues!!

It's all one book, everything in it counts and is fair game.
04-16-2008 08:19 PM
HookEm
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Originally Posted by Stang Seller
I know Jesus is your new best friend, but your book calls for just as much murder and mayhem you blind ignoramus.
SS


In the OT, we lived under the law of Moses, where sin was punishable by death, and a relationship with God depended on one's works/sacrifices. Jesus arrival signaled a fufillment of the broken covenant.
(MAtthew 5:17-Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.)
In the NT, we are saved by grace as Christ paid the ultimate price for Man.
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Hebrews
15For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.


16In the case of a will,[d] it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, 17because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. 18This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood. 19When Moses had proclaimed every commandment of the law to all the people, he took the blood of calves, together with water, scarlet wool and branches of hyssop, and sprinkled the scroll and all the people. 20He said, "This is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep."[e] 21In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tabernacle and everything used in its ceremonies. 22In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. 23It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence. 25Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
In the OT Man's relationship with God was bought and paid for by works. In the NT:
Eph 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
Eph 1:7 In Him we have a redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace.


Hope that helps. If you have any other questions, let me know and I'll do what I can to clear up any confusion you may have about Christianity.
04-16-2008 08:08 PM
Zarathustra Figures...
04-16-2008 07:54 PM
HookEm
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Originally Posted by Zarathustra

I don't speak Arabic, so I can't really translate the original text into English from Arabic,

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I can tell that whoever translated that doctored it up quite a bit.
04-16-2008 07:49 PM
Zarathustra
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Originally Posted by TexasDevilDog
I think if god wanted women in a potato sack they would be born that way. Religion sucks.
I think if the contemporary notion of God actually existed, defying all logic and scientific reasoning, he wouldn't give a hill of beans what we wore.

I'll agree whole-heartedly with that second sentence.
04-16-2008 07:48 PM
Zarathustra
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Originally Posted by Stang Seller
But unlike Zoroaster's teachings, none of the religions that followed taught the acceptance and tolerance of other religions. They copied much, but conveniently left out one of the most important aspects.
SS
Precisely. Very well put, sir.
04-16-2008 07:28 PM
TexasDevilDog
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Originally Posted by Zarathustra
Definitely not their line of reasoning on the subject. But it is an opinion nonetheless.
I think if god wanted women in a potato sack they would be born that way. Religion sucks.
04-16-2008 07:27 PM
Stang Seller
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Originally Posted by Zarathustra
Nice. Good post!

The difference here lies in interpretation. The big three religions all share the same axioms and doctrines. As mentioned before, they all descended from a common ancestor, in Zoroastrianism.
Exactly, but try telling that to the bible thumpers and newly devout! To them, Christianity is original and only based on the one religion that ever existed before it! But unlike Zoroaster's teachings, none of the religions that followed taught the acceptance and tolerance of other religions. They copied much, but conveniently left out one of the most important aspects.
SS
04-16-2008 07:27 PM
Zarathustra
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Originally Posted by TexasDevilDog
Hey-hey. Women have to cover up because god made a mistake and made them attractive. It can't be because men can't control their own eyes.
Definitely not their line of reasoning on the subject. But it is an opinion nonetheless.
04-16-2008 07:23 PM
TexasDevilDog
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Originally Posted by stinginstang
I think these gals were fed some lies....

Hey-hey. Women have to cover up because god made a mistake and made them attractive. It can't be because men can't control their own eyes.
04-16-2008 06:56 PM
Zarathustra
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Originally Posted by Stang Seller
I know Jesus is your new best friend, but your book calls for just as much murder and mayhem you blind ignoramus.
SS
Nice. Good post!

The difference here lies in interpretation. The big three religions all share the same axioms and doctrines. As mentioned before, they all descended from a common ancestor, in Zoroastrianism.
04-16-2008 06:54 PM
Zarathustra
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Originally Posted by Big Thumper
I'm not Muslim, so I have no idea. You point out how our religions are similar...I say it doesn't matter. If it did, they wouldn't be blowing us up in the name of Allah. It is obvious the differences are what matter...what they are....see my first sentence.

True, they are fed a lot of lies. We are the ones that have to deal with their lies and beliefs though. We are their target.

Do you own a Mustang?
I'm not saying they're similar. I'm saying they're the same.

And they also have to deal with our lies and our beliefs. There are two sides to every conflict.

I do own a mustang, thank you very much, a 92 LX Hatchback 347 H/C/I all the goodies.
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04-16-2008 06:40 PM
Stang Seller
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(Judges 21:10-24 NLT)



So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.



The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."



Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.
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Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
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They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
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But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
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If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
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Psalms 79:6: "Pour out thy wrath upon the heathen that have not known thee, and upon the kingdoms that have not called upon thy name."
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Revelation 2:9: "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

I know Jesus is your new best friend, but your book calls for just as much murder and mayhem you blind ignoramus.
SS
04-16-2008 06:24 PM
Zarathustra
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Originally Posted by stinginstang
I think these gals were fed some lies....

Hotties...
04-16-2008 06:24 PM
Zarathustra
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Originally Posted by Jimbo
So we are all peaceful?
What is moral about war? It's not like we're hard-wired to foster conflict. What's so wrong with secular dogoodery?


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Originally Posted by Jimbo
Then who is doing the converting you were talking about?
The mega-powerful elite, many of whom own and greedily operate large media outlets and corporations. The media has become the easiest and quickest way to violently sway public opinion. You can not absorb any information anymore from any news network without having the interests and spin of the person in charge of the particular media conglomerate imposed on you.

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Originally Posted by Jimbo
Do you have a photographic memory that allows you to pick out the inconsistencies in the posted text when compared with the true text that you have apparently memorized?
Absolutely not. I have checked some of those passages in the past. I don't speak Arabic, so I can't really translate the original text into English from Arabic, which would be the best and most accurate way of doing this. By the sound of the text and the nature of the words' content, I can tell that whoever translated that doctored it up quite a bit. The only reason for this is to advance hatred and intolerance of different viewpoints.

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Originally Posted by Jimbo
Is the "larger lie" that there are fundamental muslims who follow some of the most hate filled and harshest religious teachings ?
That is arguably true, however, the distinction that does not follow logically but is constantly pumped out by big media is one that separates radical fundamentalism in Islam from radical fundamentalism in all other religions. The increase of fundamentalism is inherent in all contemporary religions. The way I see it, is it's a proverbial calm before the storm for those that foresee an end to their suffering in the coming of their particular prophet. I overwhelmingly feel like the latter part of my lifetime will see the downfall of religion as a whole.

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Originally Posted by Jimbo
Is the "larger lie", that there are people still killing mass quantities of innocent people in the name of a religion in this century?
Partly true, in that the notion that genocide on grounds of religious and ethnic grouping still continues to be a part of daily life for some people on this earth. Intolerance, xenophobia, racism, and and ethnocentricism only make us take steps in the wrong direction, backward. Equality, Love, Brotherhood, Hope for a better future should be what we strive toward in our time on this planet, and instead we let our own economic self-interest get the better of us, in short, greed. The larger lie is that these people are smearing facts from the other side of the world to further their own agendas, to line their own pockets and the pockets of their constituencies with your hard-earned dollars. Some of what they say may be true by many accounts, but there is always two sides to any story, why is this one any different?
04-16-2008 01:43 PM
stinginstang
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Originally Posted by Zarathustra
Like what? Have they? They're fed as many lies as we are, if not more.

I think these gals were fed some lies....

04-16-2008 01:15 PM
Big Thumper
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Originally Posted by Zarathustra
Like what? Have they? They're fed as many lies as we are, if not more.

I'm not Muslim, so I have no idea. You point out how our religions are similar...I say it doesn't matter. If it did, they wouldn't be blowing us up in the name of Allah. It is obvious the differences are what matter...what they are....see my first sentence.

True, they are fed a lot of lies. We are the ones that have to deal with their lies and beliefs though. We are their target.

Do you own a Mustang?
04-16-2008 01:00 PM
Jimbo
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Originally Posted by Zarathustra
Us. Everybody. Me. And You.

The lies are in that text that GeneralizeEm posted, most of that stuff is either completely fabricated or just spun and twisted to fit and spread and propagate this larger lie that they've been telling us so we can and will all have this mentality. Not me.
So we are all peaceful? Then who is doing the converting you were talking about? Do you have a photographic memory that allows you to pick out the inconsistencies in the posted text when compared with the true text that you have apparently memorized? Is the "larger lie" that there are fundamental muslims who follow some of the most hate filled and harshest religious teachings ? Is the "larger lie", that there are people still killing mass quantities of innocent people in the name of a religion in this century?
04-16-2008 12:56 PM
GhostTX Funny how people infer how violent the OT was, yet they neglect the fact that the NT overrides things in the OT.

To HookEm's point, Islam does not have a NT.
04-16-2008 12:52 PM
stinginstang
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Originally Posted by Zarathustra
Oh. Ok, so christianity is the humanitarian Islam. Is that what you say?

how about "More Humanitarian Islam?" or maybe even "Liberal Islam?"
04-16-2008 12:39 PM
Zarathustra
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Originally Posted by Big Thumper
Similarities are not what is important...its the differences. They obviously have found enough differences to convince themselves its worth blowing America up.
Like what? Have they? They're fed as many lies as we are, if not more.
04-16-2008 12:38 PM
Zarathustra
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Originally Posted by stinginstang
true, but they seem to have skipped a reformation period. The bible talks about stoning people for a variety of offenses - homosexuality and adultery - but we don't have churches (other than the fringe "God Hates Fags" crew) that really take it literally.
Oh. Ok, so christianity is the humanitarian Islam. Is that what you say?
04-16-2008 12:32 PM
stinginstang
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Originally Posted by Zarathustra

The pillars of their faith are the very ones that you employ in yours. The two religions descended from a common ancestor. Islam and Christianity are nearly the same in almost every single aspect. Come on, GeneralizeEm, people with such blind faith as yourself should know this kind of thing.
true, but they seem to have skipped a reformation period. The bible talks about stoning people for a variety of offenses - homosexuality and adultery - but we don't have churches (other than the fringe "God Hates Fags" crew) that really take it literally.
04-16-2008 12:30 PM
Big Thumper Similarities are not what is important...its the differences. They obviously have found enough differences to convince themselves its worth blowing America up.
04-16-2008 12:27 PM
Zarathustra
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Originally Posted by Jimbo
What peaceful group are these "lies" aimed at ? Where are the lies?
Us. Everybody. Me. And You.

The lies are in that text that GeneralizeEm posted, most of that stuff is either completely fabricated or just spun and twisted to fit and spread and propagate this larger lie that they've been telling us so we can and will all have this mentality. Not me.
04-16-2008 12:21 PM
Zarathustra
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Originally Posted by HookEm
I think the problem is defining what is an extremist. It seems that a Muslim extremist has become one who observes the "religion of peace" aspect, while the moderates are the Jihadists.
I'm sorry sir, but this makes absolutely no sense. It's so strikingly skewed I thought at first you were telling a joke. Is this how you really see it? If so, please further explain.

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Originally Posted by HookEm
I dont think anyone is advocating going on a witch hunt
That's exactly what we've been doing for some time now.
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Originally Posted by HookEm
but we would be best served to be aware of the pillars of their faith.
The pillars of their faith are the very ones that you employ in yours. The two religions descended from a common ancestor. Islam and Christianity are nearly the same in almost every single aspect. Come on, GeneralizeEm, people with such blind faith as yourself should know this kind of thing.

Similarities
04-16-2008 12:10 PM
Jimbo
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Originally Posted by Zarathustra
propogate your lies, proselytize the peaceful, increase the hate
What peaceful group are these "lies" aimed at ? Where are the lies?
04-16-2008 12:06 PM
Zarathustra Wow...
04-16-2008 12:04 PM
Sean88gt
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Originally Posted by Zarathustra
propogate your lies, proselytize the peaceful, increase the hate
http://www.filecabi.net/video/iraqi_...of_bridge.html

That is the mentality of the animals we are dealing with. But you go ahead and keep lapping their balls with that educated tongue of yours.
04-16-2008 12:01 PM
HookEm I think the problem is defining what is an extremist. It seems that a Muslim extremist has become one who observes the "religion of peace" aspect, while the moderates are the Jihadists.

I dont think anyone is advocating going on a witch hunt, but we would be best served to be aware of the pillars of their faith.

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Originally Posted by Muffrazr
I would like to interject my thoughts on the original post. I'm not refuting what has been translated into English from their religious text. One thing I learned while researching old Texts is that you have to think about what life was like then, and the possibilites of coded words. At the time of a new religion's inception (When Islam was first starting out), it was important for the peoples of that time to be captured with purpose of some sorts. It could be possible that back then the perception of fighting against the will of others was simply to fight off all the other options of religion. Whereas today extremists read that to be kill those who don't beleive. Granted, this means we still have to protect ourselves from those extremists, but there are other Muslims who do not see it the same way. We can't go on a witch hunt for Muslims in an attempt at preserving our life. We have to be vigilant enough to understand them in order to erradicate the bad apples from within a seriously gentle, yet misunderstood religion. Keep in mind that the peaceful ones are only trying to hold on their beliefs, just as we do.
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