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09-17-2007 01:44 PM
flashstang04
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Originally Posted by 01WhiteCobra
Certainly. If someone thinks the only way they are going to squat 600 pounds without getting injured is by having their belt on more power to them.

Same way I have one race jersey. Any other race jersey will make me slower for sure.

Flowmaster stickers on running shorts will help as well......
09-17-2007 01:38 PM
01WhiteCobra
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Originally Posted by flashstang04
I believe proven or not, if they help mentally, which there is little way to prove, then they are completely worth it.
Certainly. If someone thinks the only way they are going to squat 600 pounds without getting injured is by having their belt on more power to them.

Same way I have one race jersey. Any other race jersey will make me slower for sure.
09-17-2007 12:38 PM
flashstang04 I believe proven or not, if they help mentally, which there is little way to prove, then they are completely worth it.
09-17-2007 12:23 PM
01WhiteCobra
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Originally Posted by flashstang04
I also hear that seat belts in cars don't prevent injuries either.
CDC say that?

Basically they are saying they may help or they may not as there is no quality research into their use. Seat belts on the other hand have been tested and proved reliable in scientific tests.
09-17-2007 11:13 AM
Cartman
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Originally Posted by GRAYHORSE
Ok, i can only squat 200 without knee wraps.
What do you not understand about some raw feds allowing knee wraps? A belt is for safty too, you can you use those in raw comps.
Where's this needle comment come from? You come in here not to post lifts of your own but to question mine when i said i use wraps from the begining.
from what I have been too knee wraps are allowed for raw, it is because of safety, too much weight and no wrap means good bye knees. Belts are also allowed for raw in all meets I have been to, for safety reasons as well.

I don't know where ruffdaddy does his comps or for what federation, but I would look in to moving to a different one if they don't let you use either in raw.
09-17-2007 10:29 AM
flashstang04
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Originally Posted by 01WhiteCobra
But, then again, I may have to change my tune.

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/backbelt.html

I also hear that seat belts in cars don't prevent injuries either.
09-16-2007 04:53 PM
01WhiteCobra
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Originally Posted by 01WhiteCobra
I didn't say it didn't help lift more but to say they don't prevent injuries is very wrong.
But, then again, I may have to change my tune.

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/backbelt.html

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If you or your workers are wearing back belts as protective equipment against back injury, you should be aware of the lack of scientific evidence supporting their use.
09-16-2007 04:32 PM
Shorty
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Originally Posted by GRAYHORSE
Now go find all the "research articles" promoting belts.
like the old study everyone loves to cite that says squatting is bad for your knees?
09-16-2007 03:05 PM
GRAYHORSE
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Originally Posted by Shorty
and the increase in IAP increases erector spinae activity.

I realize no matter what I provide as far as evidence the fact is that people have had weight belts hammered into their brains for so long no amount of information can overcome the anecdotal "it protects your back and helps your form".

I doubt anyone other than 01WhiteCobra could stomach a research article (check out The use of Lumbar-Supporting Weight Belts While Performing Squats: Erector Spinae Electromyographic Activity) so for lighter reading:

How to be Back Strong and Beltless — Part 1
Do weight belts really protect our back?
http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle....e=body_121back
How to be Back Strong and Beltless — Part 2
Belts, are they as good as people say they are?
http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle....?id=460512&cr=
Now go find all the "research articles" promoting belts.
09-16-2007 02:58 PM
01WhiteCobra
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Originally Posted by Shorty
and the increase in IAP increases erector spinae activity.

I realize no matter what I provide as far as evidence the fact is that people have had weight belts hammered into their brains for so long no amount of information can overcome the anecdotal "it protects your back and helps your form".

I doubt anyone other than 01WhiteCobra could stomach a research article (check out The use of Lumbar-Supporting Weight Belts While Performing Squats: Erector Spinae Electromyographic Activity) so for lighter reading:

How to be Back Strong and Beltless — Part 1
Do weight belts really protect our back?
http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle....e=body_121back
How to be Back Strong and Beltless — Part 2
Belts, are they as good as people say they are?
http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle....?id=460512&cr=
I didn't say it didn't help lift more but to say they don't prevent injuries is very wrong.
09-16-2007 02:40 PM
Shorty
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Originally Posted by 01WhiteCobra
Waaa?

By increasing intra-abdominal pressure it provides more support in front of the bones in the lower back thus preventing injuries.

Belts also protect against back hyperextension during overhead lifts.
and the increase in IAP increases erector spinae activity.

I realize no matter what I provide as far as evidence the fact is that people have had weight belts hammered into their brains for so long no amount of information can overcome the anecdotal "it protects your back and helps your form".

I doubt anyone other than 01WhiteCobra could stomach a research article (check out The use of Lumbar-Supporting Weight Belts While Performing Squats: Erector Spinae Electromyographic Activity) so for lighter reading:

How to be Back Strong and Beltless — Part 1
Do weight belts really protect our back?
http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle....e=body_121back
How to be Back Strong and Beltless — Part 2
Belts, are they as good as people say they are?
http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle....?id=460512&cr=
09-16-2007 02:02 PM
DON SVO
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Originally Posted by 01WhiteCobra
Waaa?

By increasing intra-abdominal pressure it provides more support in front of the bones in the lower back thus preventing injuries.

Belts also protect against back hyperextension during overhead lifts.
Oh, no sir... You're wrong, it's to help you get up another 15 lbs
09-16-2007 12:32 PM
01WhiteCobra
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Originally Posted by Shorty
no...it increases intra-abdominal pressure, allowing you to lift slightly more weight. They do nothing to prevent injuries.
Waaa?

By increasing intra-abdominal pressure it provides more support in front of the bones in the lower back thus preventing injuries.

Belts also protect against back hyperextension during overhead lifts.
09-16-2007 12:09 PM
ruffdaddy
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Originally Posted by Shorty
no...it increases intra-abdominal pressure, allowing you to lift slightly more weight. They do nothing to prevent injuries.
haha...have you ever lifted heavy weight without a belt? When I first started getting into heavy weights (or what I thought was heavy), I would occasionaly try and skip out on a belt and often times I ended up hurting my back. Belts help to improve form as well as other things to keep you safe.
09-16-2007 11:14 AM
Shorty
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Originally Posted by GRAYHORSE
So that's why those ups dudes wear those damn things.
next meet you're at ask any of the lifters what belts do.
09-16-2007 10:39 AM
GRAYHORSE
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Originally Posted by Shorty
no...it increases intra-abdominal pressure, allowing you to lift slightly more weight. They do nothing to prevent injuries.

So that's why those ups dudes wear those damn things.
09-16-2007 08:35 AM
Shorty
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Originally Posted by DON SVO
LOL, I am pretty sure you already know this but... it helps distribute weight to the upper back and protects the lower back muscles from over-exertion. I use one during squats, deadlifts, heavy leg press, etc. Considering I have a history of lower back problems from riding my bike when I was younger, I'd rather not hurt myself that way anytime soon
no...it increases intra-abdominal pressure, allowing you to lift slightly more weight. They do nothing to prevent injuries.
09-15-2007 03:25 PM
DON SVO OK, my new numbers...

Bench: 230 lbs
Dead Lift: 365 lbs
Squat: 375 lbs
Leg press: 1,215 lbs

09-15-2007 10:57 AM
DON SVO
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
increasing intra-abdominal pressure is for safety?
LOL, I am pretty sure you already know this but... it helps distribute weight to the upper back and protects the lower back muscles from over-exertion. I use one during squats, deadlifts, heavy leg press, etc. Considering I have a history of lower back problems from riding my bike when I was younger, I'd rather not hurt myself that way anytime soon
09-15-2007 07:05 AM
Shorty
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Originally Posted by GRAYHORSE
A belt is for safty too, you can you use those in raw comps.
increasing intra-abdominal pressure is for safety?
09-15-2007 12:15 AM
GRAYHORSE
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Originally Posted by dewayne6243
Ultimate Physique. I would like to have Greyhorse as a lifting partner. Hell I would even pay his gym fees. I like lifting with my trainer but that guy lifts like a freak. I am not Ronnie and u are not me. Not trying to be a dick even know I am but you need to lift with me one day. Anybody part and when u leave the gym you are going to say that old man made me look like a bitch.

Yeah, that be cool but i live too far. I cant find anyone around here motivated enough to stick with me. I dont want to have to pay some trainer to push me either.
09-14-2007 11:47 PM
DON SVO
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Originally Posted by dewayne6243
Ultimate Physique. I would like to have Greyhorse as a lifting partner. Hell I would even pay his gym fees. I like lifting with my trainer but that guy lifts like a freak. I am not Ronnie and u are not me. Not trying to be a dick even know I am but you need to lift with me one day. Anybody part and when u leave the gym you are going to say that old man made me look like a bitch.
Greg lives in McKinney, You'd be hard-pressed to get him to drive that far.

Come out to Arlington some time. I am at Metroflex 4-5 days a week.
09-14-2007 11:44 PM
dewayne6243
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Originally Posted by DON SVO
I never said he didn't use straps. However, 485 isn't 800. His 800 wouldn't have been allowed in comp. with the straps. Where do you train?
Ultimate Physique. I would like to have Greyhorse as a lifting partner. Hell I would even pay his gym fees. I like lifting with my trainer but that guy lifts like a freak. I am not Ronnie and u are not me. Not trying to be a dick even know I am but you need to lift with me one day. Anybody part and when u leave the gym you are going to say that old man made me look like a bitch.
09-14-2007 11:34 PM
DON SVO
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Originally Posted by dewayne6243
I never said he didn't use straps. However, 485 isn't 800. His 800 wouldn't have been allowed in comp. with the straps. Where do you train?
09-14-2007 11:29 PM
dewayne6243
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Originally Posted by DON SVO
If you can't lift the weight without straps, you need to work on your grip for raw numbers. there's no insult in that, that's just reality. come watch Ronnie do some lifting, you'll feel like you have a baby grip . I use straps when I do shoulder shrugs due to the angularity of my arms on the shrug bar, but my mediocre 365 deadlift was without straps and I am not egging Grayhorse on into a lifting comp.

LOL, so Ronnie doesn't use straps?

http://s48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...b-deadlift.flv
09-14-2007 11:04 PM
DON SVO
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Originally Posted by dewayne6243
LOL, work on grip. Lets see you do 485 with straps 4 times. Bro I am training for a bodybuilding show.
If you can't lift the weight without straps, you need to work on your grip for raw numbers. there's no insult in that, that's just reality. come watch Ronnie do some lifting, you'll feel like you have a baby grip . I use straps when I do shoulder shrugs due to the angularity of my arms on the shrug bar, but my mediocre 365 deadlift was without straps and I am not egging Grayhorse on into a lifting comp.
09-14-2007 10:48 PM
dewayne6243
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Originally Posted by GRAYHORSE
I've never used straps so i dont know. I dont have a problem with grip yet so i dont know if they would help much.

With a 425+ raw bench you should do some bench only raw competitions! You would win a LOT if you really only weigh 195 and you're pausing on your chest for a couple seconds with clean form. Big Ron and Johnny Jackson both lift like powerlifters and are 2 of the best in bodybuilding.

How much do you think your squat is? Total might be close but you have 10lbs you have to cover.

I always squat on the pussy smith machine. Last week I did 5 wheels for 8 on my last set.
09-14-2007 10:45 PM
dewayne6243
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Originally Posted by DON SVO
weight lifting competitions. work on grip.
LOL, work on grip. Lets see you do 485 with straps 4 times. Bro I am training for a bodybuilding show.
09-14-2007 10:22 PM
DON SVO
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Originally Posted by dewayne6243
Competition for what?
weight lifting competitions. work on grip.
09-14-2007 09:59 PM
GRAYHORSE
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Originally Posted by dewayne6243
I think you got me on dead lift. I have done 485 for 4 but that was with straps.

How big of difference is you dead lift with and without straps?
I've never used straps so i dont know. I dont have a problem with grip yet so i dont know if they would help much.

With a 425+ raw bench you should do some bench only raw competitions! You would win a LOT if you really only weigh 195 and you're pausing on your chest for a couple seconds with clean form. Big Ron and Johnny Jackson both lift like powerlifters and are 2 of the best in bodybuilding.

How much do you think your squat is? Total might be close but you have 10lbs you have to cover.
09-14-2007 09:45 PM
dewayne6243
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Originally Posted by DON SVO
Can't use straps in comp., don't use 'em in the gym.
Competition for what?
09-14-2007 09:39 PM
DON SVO
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Originally Posted by dewayne6243
I think you got me on dead lift. I have done 485 for 4 but that was with straps.

How big of difference is you dead lift with and without straps?
Can't use straps in comp., don't use 'em in the gym.
09-14-2007 09:08 PM
dewayne6243
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Originally Posted by GRAYHORSE
Nice, lets see some Deadlifts.
I think you got me on dead lift. I have done 485 for 4 but that was with straps.

How big of difference is you dead lift with and without straps?
09-14-2007 01:05 PM
GRAYHORSE
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Originally Posted by dewayne6243
Got ya on bench

Did chest today.

315 for 10
375 for 8
395 for 6
405 for 4

Nice, lets see some Deadlifts.
09-14-2007 01:05 PM
thesource I use to be able to lift 250 on the bench at 145lbs in high school but I've gotten fat and lazy and would do good to bench 220 at 195 right now .
09-14-2007 01:01 PM
dewayne6243
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Originally Posted by GRAYHORSE
What do you not understand about what i've said????

420lbs with a bench shirt. 360lbs without
515lbs with knee wraps no suit.
560lb dead with nothing.

Federations, like AAU, ADAU, ADFPF, APA, APC, APF, IBP, IPA, NASA, SLP, SPF, SSA, and so on.....
Got ya on bench

Did chest today.

315 for 10
375 for 8
395 for 6
405 for 4
09-14-2007 12:57 PM
GRAYHORSE
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Originally Posted by ruffdaddy
What do you not understand about raw? It's not that hard to see that wraps add to your max. A bench shirt is for your safety as well...but raw doesn't include a shirt now does it. Why would you say raw squat if you weren't squating raw? Pull the needle out of your ass and just chill.

Ok, i can only squat 200 without knee wraps.
What do you not understand about some raw feds allowing knee wraps? A belt is for safty too, you can you use those in raw comps.
Where's this needle comment come from? You come in here not to post lifts of your own but to question mine when i said i use wraps from the begining.
09-14-2007 12:50 PM
ruffdaddy
Quote:
Originally Posted by GRAYHORSE
What do you not understand about what i've said????

420lbs with a bench shirt. 360lbs without
515lbs with knee wraps no suit.
560lb dead with nothing.

Federations, like AAU, ADAU, ADFPF, APA, APC, APF, IBP, IPA, NASA, SLP, SPF, SSA, and so on.....
What do you not understand about raw? It's not that hard to see that wraps add to your max. A bench shirt is for your safety as well...but raw doesn't include a shirt now does it. Why would you say raw squat if you weren't squating raw? Pull the needle out of your ass and just chill.
09-14-2007 12:46 PM
GRAYHORSE
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Originally Posted by ruffdaddy
Let's start over...What do you consider raw? Raw to me mean's no "adders" Like shirt or wraps...because we all know wraps and shirts add about 40lbs or more.

And what exactly are you referring to when you say feds...?

What do you not understand about what i've said????

420lbs with a bench shirt. 360lbs without
515lbs with knee wraps no suit.
560lb dead with nothing.

Federations, like AAU, ADAU, ADFPF, APA, APC, APF, IBP, IPA, NASA, SLP, SPF, SSA, and so on.....
09-14-2007 09:57 AM
poopnut2 I did some maxes on monday. Unfortunately I had to run 1 1/2 miles before doing them (taking a weight lifting class).

Bench: 205 (sucks because I could do 245 a few months ago)
Squat: 315 I'm pretty sure I could do more with no running before.
Military: 165lbs
Curl: 105lbs x 2 (so 110? maybe...(curl bar))

Did some others on machines so I don't know if they count
Leg extention: 270lbs
Hamstring curl: 170lbs

Very disappointed in my bench but everything else I was happy with considering I haven't been lifting heavy at all lately.
09-14-2007 08:36 AM
ruffdaddy
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Originally Posted by GRAYHORSE
Like i said, I've seen many feds that allow knee wraps in raw comps. And belts.
515 was with wraps 3 days ago.
Let's start over...What do you consider raw? Raw to me mean's no "adders" Like shirt or wraps...because we all know wraps and shirts add about 40lbs or more.

And what exactly are you referring to when you say feds...?
09-14-2007 08:01 AM
GRAYHORSE
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Originally Posted by ruffdaddy
Pretty Impressive lifts. But if you never max out without knee-wraps...How can you have a "raw" squat max.
Like i said, I've seen many feds that allow knee wraps in raw comps. And belts.
515 was with wraps 3 days ago.
09-14-2007 07:41 AM
elzoro bench: 240
deadlift: 410
squat: 300
leg press: 1200
09-14-2007 07:32 AM
ruffdaddy
Quote:
Originally Posted by GRAYHORSE
I can get video of any lifts.
At the moment im at Squat: 515 raw/ Bench: 360 raw/ Deadlift: 560 raw
In most raw comps you can use knee wraps.

That's [email protected]
Pretty Impressive lifts. But if you never max out without knee-wraps...How can you have a "raw" squat max.
09-13-2007 10:12 PM
ThreeFingerPete
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Originally Posted by GRAYHORSE

Weak sauce.

















LOL, j/k.
09-13-2007 09:38 PM
GRAYHORSE
Quote:
Originally Posted by dewayne6243
I use wrist/knee wraps all the time. I am a old man

I can get video of any lifts.
At the moment im at Squat: 515 raw/ Bench: 360 raw/ Deadlift: 560 raw
In most raw comps you can use knee wraps.

That's [email protected]
09-13-2007 09:35 PM
dewayne6243
Quote:
Originally Posted by GRAYHORSE
Im in it for the exact oppisite.
For me it's how strong you are and not how you look.
With that being sad i'd deadlift raw no problem but i'll never max out on bench without wrist wraps and never max out squat without knee wraps. Prevents injuries.... that's still no shirts or suits which you call "bullshit"
That would be like me saying "roids" are bullshit for IFBB bodybuilders.
I use wrist/knee wraps all the time. I am a old man
09-13-2007 09:32 PM
GRAYHORSE
Quote:
Originally Posted by dewayne6243
West side of Fort Worth. I am at 195 right now. I was trying to get into the Europa show but was no where ready this year so my weight is down right now.

As far as lifting right I have trained for 2 years straight 5 days a week with a personal trainer trying to get into the bodybuilding contests. My form is perfect. My trainer is going for his IFBB pro card next year so i am learning from the best.

I have tried to max out in the past but my trainer screams at me telling me to quit playing around. He always says it is not how strong you are but how good you look.
Im in it for the exact oppisite.
For me it's how strong you are and not how you look.
With that being sad i'd deadlift raw no problem but i'll never max out on bench without wrist wraps and never max out squat without knee wraps. Prevents injuries.... that's still no shirts or suits which you call "bullshit"
That would be like me saying "roids" are bullshit for IFBB bodybuilders.
09-13-2007 09:21 PM
dewayne6243
Quote:
Originally Posted by GRAYHORSE
Where?
You're willing to do a 3 lift total right? Squat/Bench/Dead
How much do you weigh?
West side of Fort Worth. I am at 195 right now. I was trying to get into the Europa show but was no where ready this year so my weight is down right now.

As far as lifting right I have trained for 2 years straight 5 days a week with a personal trainer trying to get into the bodybuilding contests. My form is perfect. My trainer is going for his IFBB pro card next year so i am learning from the best.

I have tried to max out in the past but my trainer screams at me telling me to quit playing around. He always says it is not how strong you are but how good you look.
09-13-2007 09:11 PM
GRAYHORSE
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Originally Posted by dewayne6243
Anytime. I am a bodybuilder not a power lifter and have never maxed out but I lift heavy in training. I have 24 hours access to the gym I go to. T-shirt ,shorts, and shoes. No bullshit bench shirt etc..........


PM me and lets hook up.

Where?
You're willing to do a 3 lift total right? Squat/Bench/Dead
How much do you weigh?
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