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05-03-2003 02:17 PM
Big A
Quote:
Originally posted by Mr Evil
Where did you read this at?
I've seen several different articles and when you consider the "mechanics" of creatine it makes perfect sense. One of cretine's most prominent properties is that it fills the muscle cells with water. Caffiene is a diuretic that pulls that same water out of the body so why take something to "fill you up" and then drink/take something with cafiene that will make you urinate it all (includind the ATP) out? I'm not talking about a coke or two a day of a cup of coffee in the morning, but caffiene laden metabolic enhacers are to be take throughout the day every day and will nullify any creatine in the body.
05-03-2003 02:03 PM
96BluOvl I have read several articles as well that say caffeine defeats the effects of creatine. Also people get losing weight and burning fat confused IMO. Just cause you burn fat doesn't necessarily mean your gonna lose weight.
05-03-2003 12:44 AM
Mr Evil
Re: Can you still build mass while taking Hydroxicut, ripped fuel,Xenadrine...etc.?

Quote:
Originally posted by P.O.S._Dubyuharex
Well i was trying to build as much mass as possible before I start really trying to cut the fat. Running out of time before full fledged beach weather. So gonna start cutting up. Is there anyway to build mass at the same time?
Building Mass and Cutting dont go hand in hand. Just doesnt work. You get one or the other.

A good comprise, is that you will get some mass, while losing some fat, and simply alter your body fat percentage while staying about the same weight. This is what I end up doing. It can be frustrating because I want to lose weight, but gain more muscle mass at the same time. After about 4 steady weeks, the results look pretty good to me, and its a matter of holding steady for the rest of my diet.

If you just want to lose the wieght, Hydroxycut and a good clean diet (or Atkins), plus cardio 4 times a week will definately do it.

Cut up first, then gain mass. or vice versa. Which is more important to you?

Also, while taking an ECA (Ephedrine/Caffeine/Aspirin) stack on a diet, its been shown to be Anti-Catabolic, meaning your body will actually spare the muscle and force it to burn fat, not the other way around.

I personally believe every one of you who wishes to find more about supplements to check out www.elitefitness.com and go to the supplement forums. Lots of good info from body builders and various other atheletes that have used them.
05-03-2003 12:37 AM
Mr Evil
Quote:
Originally posted by Got Boost?
Caffiene negates the positive effects of Creatine and is one of the main ingredients in most metabolic enhancers such as Hydroxycut.
Where did you read this at?
05-02-2003 08:17 AM
Head Hunter
Quote:
Originally posted by AL P
Yes but don't go crazy, eat you a sandwich with some bread. Stay away from the really heavy stuff like potatoes and rice...if you eat that do it sparingly. If you eat a lot of it you will blow up!

I went to Shrevport this weekend and ate like a fucking horse three times at the buffet over a period of 24 hours...gained 8 lbs.!! It has taken me 3 days to get back down to where I was and get all that out of my system. I just couldn't resist all that good eating! HAHA

Anyway just throw in a few carbs, you won't feel do deprived and I think it really helps you in the end.

Maddhatter, you listed a bunch of good stuff, it is an expensive diet. Get you some lean hamburger meat in there...remember more fat than usual is OK because that is where all your calories come from....just don't eat a bunch of fat shit at EVERY meal...I eat about six times a day and only two of those meals are heavy in fat. The others are mostly 100% protein.
So eating a burger from Wendys for lunch along with a couple protein shakes as snacks, a tuna sandwhich and some eggs for dinner and oatmeal or cereal for breakfast would be a good, cheap diet?
05-01-2003 05:20 PM
96BluOvl
Quote:
Originally posted by brien w
where are you gettin it? and prices?
A place in town called MuscleZone. It was 34bux for 140 capsules. There wa only a few left and they will no longer have Hydroxycut W/ephedra(original formula)
05-01-2003 05:09 PM
AL P
Quote:
Originally posted by P.O.S._Dubyuharex
Yeah but how much carbs? You mean I actually get to eat a sandwich with bread on it?
Yes but don't go crazy, eat you a sandwich with some bread. Stay away from the really heavy stuff like potatoes and rice...if you eat that do it sparingly. If you eat a lot of it you will blow up!

I went to Shrevport this weekend and ate like a fucking horse three times at the buffet over a period of 24 hours...gained 8 lbs.!! It has taken me 3 days to get back down to where I was and get all that out of my system. I just couldn't resist all that good eating! HAHA

Anyway just throw in a few carbs, you won't feel do deprived and I think it really helps you in the end.

Maddhatter, you listed a bunch of good stuff, it is an expensive diet. Get you some lean hamburger meat in there...remember more fat than usual is OK because that is where all your calories come from....just don't eat a bunch of fat shit at EVERY meal...I eat about six times a day and only two of those meals are heavy in fat. The others are mostly 100% protein.
05-01-2003 03:35 PM
brien w
Quote:
Originally posted by 96BluOvl
If you want Hydroxucut w/ephedra you better get it now cause they are not gonna make it anymore. I bought a shitload.


where are you gettin it? and prices?
05-01-2003 03:33 PM
Head Hunter Awesome - thanks again boost - Your the resident supplement expert it seems like. I'll let you know how things go with my experience.
05-01-2003 02:37 PM
Big A
Quote:
Originally posted by MaddHatter
Right now I currently drink about 230 FL oz of water a day (10 23.7oz bottles) When I go on creatine do I still need to double up on water intake?
It sounds like you are drinking plenty of water now, just keep a keen eye on your body and if you feel a little dehydrated after starting the creatine add more water. I wasn't drinking even that much the last time I took it and didn't have any problems.

Quote:
When I cycle out and go on hydroxycut will my water intake have any affect (diluting or washing it out of my system?)
No, water isn't gonna "wash" the hydroxycut out of your system. Actually, the caffiene in the hydroxycut will dehydrate you a little so keep your water intake ample to make up for that.
05-01-2003 01:55 PM
Head Hunter
Quote:
Originally posted by Got Boost?
Finish your creatine cycle before taking anything (including cokes and coffee) with caffiene in it. You can take creatine on a diet to help maintain strength, you just can't use it along with any caffiene-based diet aids.
Right now I currently drink about 230 FL oz of water a day (10 23.7oz bottles) When I go on creatine do I still need to double up on water intake? When I cycle out and go on hydroxycut will my water intake have any affect (diluting or washing it out of my system?)
05-01-2003 01:28 PM
Big A
Quote:
Originally posted by MaddHatter
Thanks for the info boost...

What if I took the hydroxy in btw cycles of creatine? Would that be beneficial at all or would I just be throwing my money out the window?
Finish your creatine cycle before taking anything (including cokes and coffee) with caffiene in it. You can take creatine on a diet to help maintain strength, you just can't use it along with any caffiene-based diet aids.
05-01-2003 12:41 PM
P.O.S._Dubyuharex
Quote:
Originally posted by AL P
If you haven't already, throw in a "cheat" day where you eat some carbs. I have good luck with that. i think if you stay strict then your metabolism starts to really slow down. Try the running too, that should be worth an easy 1200 calories per week or more...
Yeah but how much carbs? You mean I actually get to eat a sandwich with bread on it?
05-01-2003 10:50 AM
Head Hunter
Quote:
Originally posted by AL P
If you haven't already, throw in a "cheat" day where you eat some carbs. I have good luck with that. i think if you stay strict then your metabolism starts to really slow down. Try the running too, that should be worth an easy 1200 calories per week or more...
I have a hard time sticking to the Atkins diet as I don't have tons of money to throw around on food everyday. Is there a cheap way to follow the Atkins diet? I thought eggs n oatmeal for breakfast, tuna and protein shake for lunch and maybe a steak or hamburger with cheese and no bun for dinner? I'm still very new to the atkins diet so any insight would be great. Hope you can help me Al
05-01-2003 09:40 AM
AL P
Quote:
Originally posted by P.O.S._Dubyuharex
Lots of good advice guys. Thanks alot.



AL P- I've been on Atkins for about a month now. I need a little extra push for the pool weight. Need to loose 9 more pounds.
If you haven't already, throw in a "cheat" day where you eat some carbs. I have good luck with that. i think if you stay strict then your metabolism starts to really slow down. Try the running too, that should be worth an easy 1200 calories per week or more...
05-01-2003 08:25 AM
P.O.S._Dubyuharex Lots of good advice guys. Thanks alot.



AL P- I've been on Atkins for about a month now. I need a little extra push for the pool weight. Need to loose 9 more pounds.
05-01-2003 08:23 AM
Head Hunter
Quote:
Originally posted by Got Boost?
You will be literally pissing your money away. Caffiene negates the positive effects of Creatine and is one of the main ingredients in most metabolic enhancers such as Hydroxycut. Do your cutting for the summer and save the creatine for when it starts getting colder, you can quit the cardio, and eat like a horse.
Thanks for the info boost...

What if I took the hydroxy in btw cycles of creatine? Would that be beneficial at all or would I just be throwing my money out the window?
04-30-2003 11:09 PM
96BluOvl Are you talking about the steroid equipose? I agree with Al 3 miles is good just not everyday. Maybe cut back a couple of days. You have to figure out your body and how it works with different things. OH yeah and from what my Supplement supply told me If you want Hydroxucut w/ephedra you better get it now cause they are not gonna make it anymore. I bought a shitload.
04-30-2003 07:59 PM
Keller
Equapoise

Its perfect for gaining mass, but its high as hell, works like a charm
04-30-2003 05:34 PM
brien w EQ? what form is it...
04-30-2003 05:28 PM
Keller
OR

take the hydroxy and buy a cycle of EQ, you'll be done with it, sorry just my two cents,
04-30-2003 05:14 PM
Big A
Quote:
Originally posted by MaddHatter
I was planning on taking hydroxycut b4 each meal and then taking creatine b4 my workout and protein shake after and maintianing a healthy diet.
You will be literally pissing your money away. Caffiene negates the positive effects of Creatine and is one of the main ingredients in most metabolic enhancers such as Hydroxycut. Do your cutting for the summer and save the creatine for when it starts getting colder, you can quit the cardio, and eat like a horse.
04-30-2003 04:14 PM
AL P i've got two words for you guys...Atkins diet. I can't guarantee that you will gain a ton of mass but you sure own't lose any. you will also cut fat. Just do like I do and make sure not to eat a bunch of CRAP that has a ton of fat. Stick to good red meat, chicken, fish, cheese, protein shakes, sugar free Jello, etc...

I get stronger on the Atkins diet even though I drop scale weight while on it. It definitely works for me.

JC & POS, I don't think three miles is too much, just don't do it EVERY day. About three times a week. Throw in a long slow run and you will be fine. I have been doing that for three weeks now and it seems to work good, my legs are getting bigger thanks to my usual squat workout and I am still dropping weight.
04-30-2003 04:00 PM
Monsoon X
Quote:
Originally posted by P.O.S._Dubyuharex
Yeah but how much cardio is to much? I was going to run 3 miles a day. Is that to much?
Yes.

Your either gonna have to tone down the cardio if you want to lose fat w/o sacrificing muscle.

I ride the bike/or eliptical machine for 10min. in my fat burning heart rate zone (135bpm) and then use the rest of the time to weight train (30-60 sec rest between sets)
04-30-2003 03:47 PM
P.O.S._Dubyuharex
Quote:
Originally posted by Monsoon X
Hydroxycut alone won't make you lose muscle. Normally the cause for muscle loss is too much cardio and low protein and not eating enough good food.
Yeah but how much cardio is to much? I was going to run 3 miles a day. Is that to much?
04-30-2003 01:09 PM
Monsoon X
Quote:
Originally posted by P.O.S._Dubyuharex
But I should atleast be able to keep what I have allready built right? I'm not gonna loose all that I've worked for by taking this crap.

Hydroxycut alone won't make you lose muscle. Normally the cause for muscle loss is too much cardio and low protein and not eating enough good food.
04-30-2003 12:52 PM
P.O.S._Dubyuharex But I should atleast be able to keep what I have allready built right? I'm not gonna loose all that I've worked for by taking this crap.
04-30-2003 07:31 AM
Monsoon X I'm taking E-free Hydroxycut right now. My dose is two pills in the morning around 7 or 7:30 then two in the afternoon around 1pm and that's all. I can tell that I don't get as excited as I did when it had Ephedra in it but, looking at my physique I like what it's doing.

I feel that I can maintain (even slightly add) muscle while cutting up. Hydroxycut doesn't kill my appetite. I eat enough to get full, get my vitamins, water, and protein.

The key is to just do a little cardio for like 10minutes and get a good intake of protein and fiber. IMO

I also only rest 45-60 seconds between sets and I try to keep the same rep count(10-12) on each set even though I'm not resting much between them.

My main goal now, since I can't really work my legs is to get my 6pack back that i used to have.
04-29-2003 11:46 PM
poopnut2 i prefer to just look good. even though im not 100% satisfied with my body, i dont think i look bad.

im sure if you take in a shitload of protein, youll gain mass. lift a mix of light and heavy weights for strength and tone. i prefer climbing the ladder.
find your max on bench, squat, whatever. (Ex. your max is 245 on bench)

1st set...start 50lbs below max, do 5 reps
2nd set..add 10lbs, do 4 reps
3rd set...add another 10, 3 reps
4th.........add 10, 2 reps
5th.........add 10, 1 rep
then work your way backwards.

195lbs-5 reps
205lbs-4 reps
215-3
225-2
235-1
225-2
215-3
205-4
195-5

do this "ladder" twice a day plus on your main excercises, namely bench and squat/legpress.

curls...one set right after the other, minimal time in between
35lbs-15reps
55lbs-15reps
75lbs-15reps
55lbs-15reps
35lbs-15reps
should build strength with tone. just a recommendation.
04-29-2003 11:12 PM
ls1eater true that poopnut either be big or be cut it is way to hard to be both i prefer to be strong.
04-29-2003 11:09 PM
poopnut2 just work out. damn, as long as you look good what does it matter?
04-29-2003 11:07 PM
ls1eater brein just eat lean foods to cut down such as 6 to8 eggs in the morning with oatmeal lunch chicken breast with either baked potato or brockli, and the something simalar for dinner. that will cut you down real quick if you do it right
04-29-2003 11:03 PM
brien w is hydroxycut worth the money? what do you all think?

i'm 220 w/ 19% bf and i want to cut it down...
04-29-2003 10:59 PM
ls1eater i took hydroxycut and xenadrine and both made me less hungry with more energy i lost more weight of of xenadrine but got a little more lean with hydroxycut. either way good luck building mass.
04-29-2003 09:16 PM
96BluOvl hydroxycuts doesn't affect my appetite. Then again i can crash out after taking them too. You will look like you are loosing mass but really it's just the fat your shedding. I would rather be cut up then be big w/fat. I guess it's your preference. Usually people bulk up then go on a cutting cycle to trim off the fat. Do some cardio, but don't get too crazy on it. And you don't have to take the maximum Rec. hydroxy's. Maybe take half of what you are suppose to take.
04-29-2003 08:49 PM
ls1eater hydroxycut makes you not eat ass much you have to eat to get big
04-29-2003 07:28 PM
Head Hunter I was planning on taking hydroxycut b4 each meal and then taking creatine b4 my workout and protein shake after and maintianing a healthy diet. Would I not build mass while cutting fat at the same time? If not I'll just cycle through the creatine and come july hit the hydroxycut then cycle back onto creatine in august.
04-29-2003 06:53 PM
Keller
Its possible

But your gonna have to go out and buy a cycle of EQ, then you will be cut and have mass all in one
04-29-2003 04:31 PM
[CS]ls1haha Not that I know of........ Basically, I always learned that you had to focus on one or the other. I cut down a couple years ago, I was taking hydroxycut and eating right. I still tried to consume a lot of protein during my "cutting" stage. I did lots of cardio but still did some weight training to not only help cut me up but to try and retain some strength/ mass.

The only way I know to do both at once are select anabolics.
04-29-2003 01:57 PM
P.O.S._Dubyuharex
Can you still build mass while taking Hydroxicut, ripped fuel,Xenadrine...etc.?

Well i was trying to build as much mass as possible before I start really trying to cut the fat. Running out of time before full fledged beach weather. So gonna start cutting up. Is there anyway to build mass at the same time?

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