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Been looking to upgrade my TV due to the digital thing. I don't know much about the new LCD and Plasma TV's. Circuit City has a Hitachi 50" plasma 1080i on clearance for 1288.00. With the naked eye, I can't tell a difference between that and the 1080p. Is this a good deal? Really wasn't wanting a smaller TV, but my budget is limited.

Then he goes on to tell me that that a 720 p can and does handle the 1080 p picture What the fuck does that mean?

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Doing a little research........


There has been a lot of concern and confusion over the difference between 1080i and 1080p. This stems from the inability of many TVs to accept 1080p. To make matters worse, the help lines at many of the TV manufacturers (that means you, Sony), are telling people that their newly-bought 1080p displays are really 1080i. They are idiots, so let me say this in big bold print, as far as movies are concerned THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 1080i AND 1080p. See, I did it in caps too, so it must be true. Let me explain (if your eyes glaze over, the short version is at the end).
For clarification, let me start by saying that there are essentially no 1080i TVs anymore. Unless you bought a CRT based TV, every modern TV is progressive scan (as in LCD, Plasma, LCOS, DLP). They are incapable of displaying a 1080i signal as 1080i. So what we’re talking about here mostly applies to people with 1080p native displays.

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There has been a lot of concern and confusion over the difference between 1080i and 1080p. This stems from the inability of many TVs to accept 1080p. To make matters worse, the help lines at many of the TV manufacturers (that means you, Sony), are telling people that their newly-bought 1080p displays are really 1080i. They are idiots, so let me say this in big bold print, as far as movies are concerned THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 1080i AND 1080p. See, I did it in caps too, so it must be true. Let me explain (if your eyes glaze over, the short version is at the end).
For clarification, let me start by saying that there are essentially no 1080i TVs anymore. Unless you bought a CRT based TV, every modern TV is progressive scan (as in LCD, Plasma, LCOS, DLP). They are incapable of displaying a 1080i signal as 1080i. So what we’re talking about here mostly applies to people with 1080p native displays.

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That's ridiculous. If you have a TV that is capable of 1080p, Bluray movies will look WAY better than anything you've ever seen in 1080i, 720p, 480p, etc.
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Been looking to upgrade my TV due to the digital thing. I don't know much about the new LCD and Plasma TV's. Circuit City has a Hitachi 50" plasma 1080i on clearance for 1288.00. With the naked eye, I can't tell a difference between that and the 1080p. Is this a good deal? Really wasn't wanting a smaller TV, but my budget is limited.

Then he goes on to tell me that that a 720 p can and does handle the 1080 p picture What the fuck does that mean?
You can find a HELL of a deal on Samsung plasma's right now. They make a 50" that can be had for about $1200. I have the 42" version of it, and for the money, it's tits'. 720p/1080i, but I personally don't see a difference. I'm not into Blu-ray and all that, so it's great for us.

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There has been a lot of concern and confusion over the difference between 1080i and 1080p. This stems from the inability of many TVs to accept 1080p. To make matters worse, the help lines at many of the TV manufacturers (that means you, Sony), are telling people that their newly-bought 1080p displays are really 1080i. They are idiots, so let me say this in big bold print, as far as movies are concerned THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 1080i AND 1080p. See, I did it in caps too, so it must be true. Let me explain (if your eyes glaze over, the short version is at the end).
For clarification, let me start by saying that there are essentially no 1080i TVs anymore. Unless you bought a CRT based TV, every modern TV is progressive scan (as in LCD, Plasma, LCOS, DLP). They are incapable of displaying a 1080i signal as 1080i. So what we’re talking about here mostly applies to people with 1080p native displays.

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LOL.. dont believe that shit.

1080i is interlaced..when the tv refreshes it does all the odd numbered lines, then the even

1080p is progressive... it refreshes the lines 1-xxx in order.

You dont need 1080p...you are barely upgrading, and I doubt you have a blu-ray player to play 1080p. All the shows on satellite or cable are all broadcast in 1080i and I dont forsee them upgrading to 1080p anytime soon.

Go with a better brand... Samsung, LG, Sony are leading the way for plasma and lcd. You should be able to pick up a 50" plasma for $1200ish if you find them on sale.

Also, the digital thing of 2009 will not effect anyone other than you need to get the free government box. Right now all the OTA tv stations are being broadcast via ANALOG signals. Well the FCC and other government agencies need those analog signals to use for communication and forcing broadcast tv to move up into the digital signals. The box you get will decode the digital stuff and play them on your standard tv.

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If you don't have a Bluray or HD-DVD player, you won't be watching anything in 1080p.

In other words, it doesn't matter if the TV is 1080i or 1080p if you are only sending it a 1080i signal anyway. It's the source that makes the difference. You'll need a 1080p TV to play Bluray movies and games. That's when you will see the big difference.
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LOL.. dont believe that shit.

1080i is interlaced..when the tv refreshes it does all the odd numbered lines, then the even

1080p is progressive... it refreshes the lines 1-xxx in order.

You dont need 1080p...you are barely upgrading, and I doubt you have a blu-ray player to play 1080p. All the shows on satellite or cable are all broadcast in 1080i and I dont forsee them upgrading to 1080p anytime soon.

Go with a better brand... Samsung, LG, Sony are leading the way for plasma and lcd. You should be able to pick up a 50" plasma for $1200ish if you find them on sale.

Also, the digital thing of 2009 will not effect anyone other than you need to get the free government box. Right now all the OTA tv stations are being broadcast via ANALOG signals. Well the FCC and other government agencies need those analog signals to use for communication and forcing broadcast tv to move up into the digital signals. The box you get will decode the digital stuff and play them on your standard tv.
My Buddy just called me this morning wanting to sell me his Dell 50in Plasma 1080p for 1200.00. Sounds like I can get a brand new TV for around that price?

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There has been a lot of concern and confusion over the difference between 1080i and 1080p. This stems from the inability of many TVs to accept 1080p. To make matters worse, the help lines at many of the TV manufacturers (that means you, Sony), are telling people that their newly-bought 1080p displays are really 1080i. They are idiots, so let me say this in big bold print, as far as movies are concerned THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 1080i AND 1080p. See, I did it in caps too, so it must be true. Let me explain (if your eyes glaze over, the short version is at the end).
For clarification, let me start by saying that there are essentially no 1080i TVs anymore. Unless you bought a CRT based TV, every modern TV is progressive scan (as in LCD, Plasma, LCOS, DLP). They are incapable of displaying a 1080i signal as 1080i. So what we’re talking about here mostly applies to people with 1080p native displays.

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this is going to be technical, but i have to respond here.

i've seen that article. that's not correct. the guy who wrote that doesnt seem to grasp technology properly.

how do i know? easy:
take a laptop.
hook up it up to a "1080i" lcd/plasma. your resolution = 1366 x 768.
hook up it up to a 1080p lcd/plasma. your resolution = 1920 x 1080.

thats exactly 1,024,512 pixels missing on the "1080i" set. that's it. end of argument right there. that's is the difference in the units. 1080p tv has more resolution than "720p".

read on for more detailed explaination and correction of the guys article.



yes, that article is correct when it says there are no XXXXi tvs anymore.
true, they dont display interlaced picture anymore... BUT big deal, the 720p doesnt magically add 312 lines of horizontal resolution to become 1080p. it just takes 1080i signals, deinterlaces the image and displays it within it's maximum resolution which is 1366 x 768.

the notion that deinterlacing a 1080i signal into 1080p will give you the same resolution as 1080p direct into 1080p is wrong. deinterlacing involves the tv having to process an image and generate the missing lines before it hits your eyes. the better your tv (pioneer, sony, samsung, panny..) the better the deinterlacing chipset, the better the picture but it's never going to be as good as transferred to your tv in 1080p resolution. (bluray)



now that being said, 720p tvs look great. i just bought my dad a 50" 720p samsung plasma for 1100 shipped brand new in box and the tv looks brilliant. i just bought myself a 720p projector and its great too. you are not missing out on any resolution on regular/dvd/digital/hd signals, only on sources that output higher than 720p. dont let the 1080p/1080i argument stop you from buying a tv, but dont think they are same thing.
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My Buddy just called me this morning wanting to sell me his Dell 50in Plasma 1080p for 1200.00. Sounds like I can get a brand new TV for around that price?
Not for a 1080P...720P, yes.

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Not for a 1080P...720P, yes.
So would you say the 50in Dell 1080p plasma for 1200.00 is good deal?

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So would you say the 50in Dell 1080p plasma for 1200.00 is good deal?
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That's ridiculous. If you have a TV that is capable of 1080p, Bluray movies will look WAY better than anything you've ever seen in 1080i, 720p, 480p, etc.

Kinda what I was thinking. That is why I posted it it. To get feed back one way or another. (positive or negative)

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You can find a HELL of a deal on Samsung plasma's right now. They make a 50" that can be had for about $1200. I have the 42" version of it, and for the money, it's tits'. 720p/1080i, but I personally don't see a difference. I'm not into Blu-ray and all that, so it's great for us.

Just came back from Conn's. Samsung Plasma 50" for 1299.00....720p

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Just came back from Conn's. Samsung Plasma 50" for 1299.00....720p
I have the 42" version, and love it. Did you pick it up?

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I don't believe anyone is broadcasting in 1080p so you won't see the difference right now. You will only see the difference in movies you rent that are taped in 1080p. 1080p's are on the market for when they start to broadcast in 1080p. I picked up a 65' Mitsi 1080p DLP for $1999.99 last yearat Circuit City. I believe they are still the only ones with a 6 color - color wheel.
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I will hold out for the Memorial Day sale and see what Fry's and everyone else has going on. Flat panel would be nice, but damn a 65" dlp 1080p might be even nicer for the buck.

I have a 60" old school now (not HD). Works fine. But I would like to downsize over all with out down sizing the picture size.

What do you guys prefer? DLP with a bigger screen or smaller LCD/Plasma?

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I have the 42" version, and love it. Did you pick it up?
Nope, still learning about this stuff. I want the biggest fucker I can buy under 1500.00 DLP might win that race.

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LOL.. dont believe that shit.

1080i is interlaced..when the tv refreshes it does all the odd numbered lines, then the even

1080p is progressive... it refreshes the lines 1-xxx in order.

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Circuit City and Conn's both said every thing is progressive now days. 720p and 1080i. Both guys said only the older sets are truly interlaced. Any truth to this?


Disclaimer............I don't know shit about these new TV's. I am just throwing out there what I was told. Don't shoot the messenger. Trying to learn here.

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Nope, still learning about this stuff. I want the biggest fucker I can buy under 1500.00 DLP might win that race.
I hung mine on the wall, so DLP was out. The Samsungs picture with the contrast level did it for me. Don't you have to replace bulbs in the DLP sets?

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Just came back from Conn's. Samsung Plasma 50" for 1299.00....720p
Samsung hpt5054 I'm guessing
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I don't believe anyone is broadcasting in 1080p so you won't see the difference right now. 1080p's are on the market for when they start to broadcast in 1080p.
Bah! 1080p is all I watch as far as movies go. It will be nice if/when satellite is broadcast in 1080p, but I wouldn't wait around for it. 1080p is here now and it's awesome. PS3 = Bluray movies and 1080p games ftw!
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What do you guys prefer? DLP with a bigger screen or smaller LCD/Plasma?
If you MUST hang it on the wall, go plasma or LCD. If you have the room, go DLP (in my opinion).

Picture quality is amazing, and you can't beat the screen size to price ratio.

That said, I still have two rooms in the house that are begging for a flat panel to hang on the wall.

I have heard that the bulbs have to be replaced every 3-4 years to keep a great picture, but I haven't run into that yet.
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I hung mine on the wall, so DLP was out. The Samsungs picture with the contrast level did it for me. Don't you have to replace bulbs in the DLP sets?
Only if they go out. The bulb replacement is more common in the HD projectors themselves. (kind you hang from ceiling and show on wall) From what I have been reading, (DLP) they have longer life than the LCD/DLP. But once again, you can't believe every thing you read.

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Circuit City and Conn's both said every thing is progressive now days. 720p and 1080i. Both guys said only the older sets are truly interlaced. Any truth to this?


Disclaimer............I don't know shit about these new TV's. I am just throwing out there what I was told. Don't shoot the messenger. Trying to learn here.
Like momo said above... the 1080i is deinterlaced and displayed at the max resolution... so it isnt interlaced..its progressive, but the tv deinterlaces the picture.


I think there is a lot to consider when buying a TV:

Room lighting
Size
Video games/sports or movies
Energy consumption

Each of the types (LCD, Plasma, DLP) have their advantages and disadvantages... I think you are best off determining what best fits your criteria, not just getting the biggest possible. For me, DLP was not really an option because of space. And eventually when I get my own house I will hang my TV. I dont have a ton of light in the room so plasma works with its glossy screen. You can get a bigger plasma than LCD for the same price. The biggest downfall is the energy consumption..it uses more that an equivalent sized LCD. Also, dont buy into some crazy contrast ratio like 25000:1 or the dynamic crap. Your eye cant tell the difference.

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Only if they go out. The bulb replacement is more common in the HD projectors themselves. (kind you hang from ceiling and show on wall) From what I have been reading, (DLP) they have longer life than the LCD/DLP. But once again, you can't believe every thing you read.
The problem with any type of projection is the bulb loses its ability to produce the labeled amount of lumens over time. When the bulb reaches its half life, the bulb can only produce 1/2 the amount of light it is designed to. The bulb still works...just not as well as it's supposed to. The ratings on the bulbs should be the half life. So a 2000hr bulb will reach its half life at 2000 hours and only produce 1/2 the light. The picture will not be as good as it used to be. Some people dont notice because they have nothing to compare it to and the change happens over time that you watch it.

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Only if they go out. The bulb replacement is more common in the HD projectors themselves. (kind you hang from ceiling and show on wall) From what I have been reading, (DLP) they have longer life than the LCD/DLP. But once again, you can't believe every thing you read.

The bulb WILL go out - average life span is 2-3 years amongst most brands (except some of the NEW sets like Panasonic which are getting 5 years of warranty on the bulb). The bulbs average $150 - $300 depending on brand. A lot of people will say to go with a generic bulb, but all we have seen are problems when using non OEM bulbs.
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The bulb WILL go out - average life span is 2-3 years amongst most brands (except some of the NEW sets like Panasonic which are getting 5 years of warranty on the bulb). The bulbs average $150 - $300 depending on brand. A lot of people will say to go with a generic bulb, but all we have seen are problems when using non OEM bulbs.
That's more along the lines of what I've heard. I guess they all have their issues, but for the $1k I paid for my plasma, I can toss it after a few years, and buy another one.

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Are the new projection bulbs different than the old HD projection bulbs? My 60" non hd is going on 7 years now. Still looks good for a non HD TV. No problems with it.

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Are the new projection bulbs different than the old HD projection bulbs? My 60" non hd is going on 7 years now. Still looks good for a non HD TV. No problems with it.
It's different technology.

Your TV is probably a CRT based projection TV, not a DLP or LCD projection TV. CRT based rear projection TV's use 3 small picture tubes(Red, Blue, Green) to generate the picture. The bulb I was referring to was for the DLP TV's - it just generates white light to shine through the DLP light engine or LCD optical block. The bulbs are made to be customer replacable, the crt's are a serious undertaking to replace and align.
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It's different technology.

Your TV is probably a CRT based projection TV, not a DLP or LCD projection TV. CRT based rear projection TV's use 3 small picture tubes(Red, Blue, Green) to generate the picture. The bulb I was referring to was for the DLP TV's - it just generates white light to shine through the DLP light engine or LCD optical block. The bulbs are made to be customer replacable, the crt's are a serious undertaking to replace and align.

YOu just tought an old man something. Thanks. Mine is CRT based.

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