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REM 700..A man killer.

Watching MadMoney, The only time I'm ever on CNBC.

Sounds like NBC is trying to scare people about the Remington 700.

The commercial said "We will show you why on sheriff has already pulled the rifle off the shelf."

Now, the general ignorant population will view the REM 700 as some mad man's rifle..

The show name is "Remington Under Fire: A CNBC investigation"

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Yep, they started with the "assault rifles," semiautomatics, high capacity magazines, and evil barrel shrouds. Now they're going for bolt actions. Next up? Lever actions, pump actions, single shot, and rimfire...


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They might be talking about all the wrongful death suits against Remington for the 700 discharging with the safety on and killing people.

http://www.mmmpalaw.com/CM/Articles/...-Consumers.asp

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They might be talking about all the wrongful death suits against Remington for the 700 discharging with the safety on and killing people.

http://www.mmmpalaw.com/CM/Articles/...-Consumers.asp
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they are... the rife has a history of issues, and I think they occur more often than they're reported
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They might be talking about all the wrongful death suits against Remington for the 700 discharging with the safety on and killing people.

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Dude, if I didn't know better already, I'd have expected the same damn thing you did.
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Yep, they started with the "assault rifles," semiautomatics, high capacity magazines, and evil barrel shrouds. Now they're going for bolt actions. Next up? Lever actions, pump actions, single shot, and rimfire...
Don't forget the muzzle loaders... Those are some serious bad-ass assault weapons!
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The Remigton 700's are junk compared to what they use to be in the 60's and 70's. The action is as rough as a corn cobb. When my dad was chasing after a .308, the gunsmith told him that the Savage was a better gun.
The ones in the '60's and '70's killed folks, too. The flaw is in the device, not the level of craftsmanship.

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I suggest that everyone watch the report. It is not at all anti-gun, but certainly anti corporate irresponsibility.

I lost a lot of respect for Remington. Even the creator of the 700 (a man pushing 100 years old who still goes shooting) said there is a problem with his design, but that Remington blew off his suggestion to curtail the problem... because it would cost 5 cents per gun.
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I suggest that everyone watch the report. It is not at all anti-gun, but certainly anti corporate irresponsibility.

I lost a lot of respect for Remington. Even the creator of the 700 (a man pushing 100 years old who still goes shooting) said there is a problem with his design, but that Remington blew off his suggestion to curtail the problem... because it would cost 5 cents per gun.
Yea, I saw that.. $.05 part. 5 cents, man. There were some heart breaking stories too. Like the guy that lost his son. I cant imagine.

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Yea, I saw that.. $.05 part. 5 cents, man. There were some heart breaking stories too. Like the guy that lost his son. I cant imagine.
shouldn't point a gun at him. yeah it sucks but what are the rules of firearm safety?

1. Treat every firearm as if it were loaded.

2. Never allow the muzzle to point at anything you are not willing to see destroyed.

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shouldn't point a gun at him. yeah it sucks but what are the rules of firearm safety?
The gun shot through a building and hit the kid in the chest. The safety was clicked off to extract the bullet from the chamber. She was doing what appeared to be "safe", but a freak accident happened.


I usually take the gun lobby/firearm manufacturers side, but I believe that Remington made a pretty serious mistake not spending the 5 cents per gun extra to fix their product.
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I have currently have four model 700s and have owned maybe 20 of them; if a 40x uses the same trigger then I currently have 6 of them. I have never had an AD with any of them and I have been shooting them extensively for 27 years in some very adverse conditions. I believe that they are as safe as any other gun in the world.

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Honestly this is the media working toward what obama wants and trying to play them, firearms, off as unsafe, since they have failed at every other way towards banning firearms...I have owned numerous remingtons and have never had a problem, I am not saying freak accidents haven't happened, but I am also saying they will interview someone for an hour and then splice in 30 seconds of this and that and totally manipulate what they were actually saying...screw the liberal media. The 1st Kimber handgun I owned would fire the first round it chambered without me squeezing the trigger, scared the hell out of me, Kimber had me ship them the handgun and gave me a Custom Covert II. they admitted their mistake and made it right, the media would spin this to say all of them were a problem and should be removed from the shelves. As far as the weapon discharging and going through the wall and hitting some kid in the chest, they will never admit the person handling the weapon made any mistake. It couldnt have been their fault at all...

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Is there anywhere this nbc special is viewable in full? I can't find it anywhere.
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Yea, I saw that.. $.05 part. 5 cents, man. There were some heart breaking stories too. Like the guy that lost his son. I cant imagine.
Allright, I'll bite. I've owned TWO Remington 700s (both PSS models in .308) and I've NEVER had an unintentional discharge.

Exactly what 5 cent part is the culprit??

I'd say over 99% of all gun "accidents" are human error.

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Is there anywhere this nbc special is viewable in full? I can't find it anywhere.
I dvred it off CNBC.
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Allright, I'll bite. I've owned TWO Remington 700s (both PSS models in .308) and I've NEVER had an unintentional discharge.

Exactly what 5 cent part is the culprit??

I'd say over 99% of all gun "accidents" are human error.

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I have seen one and my dad had hunted with a gamewarden several years back. The problem is in the secondary sear which is one of the parts that makes their trigger pretty good feeling.
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I'd like to point out a few things:

I have yet to see the special about Remington. I like CNBC as a channel and feel that generally they give everyone a fair shake because they are a business channel. Personally, I think it is one of the best channels on television. You can't tell me that CNBC has some hidden liberal agenda when one of its commentators in the morning, Rick Santelli, basically sparked the Tea Party movement with his rant about government bailouts and many of the CEOs that come on as guests, like Jack Welsh or Ken Langone, go crazy talking about how the liberals have created an environment that is hostile to business.

Secondly, while it makes for a great soundbite saying that a "$.05 part would have fixed the gun", let's just pump the fucking brakes a little and remember that this gun was first produced in 1962. $.05 back then was a lot more than it is now and that was also a different era when we didn't live in a fucking nanny state. Cars didn't even come with seat belts back then.

Last, as a show of support and to vote with my wallet on this issue, I believe I will go out and buy a Remington 700. I have shot them but have never owned one. My only question is should it be, .300 Winchester magnum or .308 Winchester? I already have an M1A and it is .308 is why I consider the .308. Plus you can get the 700 with a threaded barrel and a suppressor for the .308 too

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I'd like to point out a few things:

I have yet to see the special about Remington. I like CNBC as a channel and feel that generally they give everyone a fair shake because they are a business channel. Personally, I think it is one of the best channels on television. You can't tell me that CNBC has some hidden liberal agenda when one of its commentators in the morning, Rick Santelli, basically sparked the Tea Party movement with his rant about government bailouts and many of the CEOs that come on as guests, like Jack Welsh or Ken Langone, go crazy talking about how the liberals have created an environment that is hostile to business.

Secondly, while it makes for a great soundbite saying that a "$.05 part would have fixed the gun", let's just pump the fucking brakes a little and remember that this gun was first produced in 1962. $.05 back then was a lot more than it is now and that was also a different era when we didn't live in a fucking nanny state. Cars didn't even come with seat belts back then.

Last, as a show of support and to vote with my wallet on this issue, I believe I will go out and buy a Remington 700. I have shot them but have never owned one. My only question is should it be, .300 Winchester magnum or .308 Winchester? I already have an M1A and it is .308 is why I consider the .308. Plus you can get the 700 with a threaded barrel and a suppressor for the .308 too
You can also get the barrel threaded and throw a supressor on a .300WM. Check out the entry level sniper package on snipercentral.com. I'll give you my login, if you have to be a member to see it.

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The Remigton 700's are junk compared to what they use to be in the 60's and 70's. The action is as rough as a corn cobb. When my dad was chasing after a .308, the gunsmith told him that the Savage was a better gun.
If you ask me the newer 700 ADL with the revised trigger to fix the safety issue has a smoother and lighter trigger pull than the originals..

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Allright, I'll bite. I've owned TWO Remington 700s (both PSS models in .308) and I've NEVER had an unintentional discharge.

Exactly what 5 cent part is the culprit??

I'd say over 99% of all gun "accidents" are human error.

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What the hell man? Am I being a "tool" because I am not immediately and unquestionably siding with a firearms manufacturer?


I am one of the most pro second amendment people that I know, but I do believe that Remington has overlooked this important issue. By the way, Remington will fix your trigger if you send your gun into them, but it will cost you $19.99. I DO NOT believe that safety related upgrades and updates should cost the consumer.


AL P, you made an excellent post and I believe you pretty much hit the nail on the head in a well thought out manner.
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You are singing my song pal. I'll go over there and check it out.

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I'd like to point out a few things:

I have yet to see the special about Remington. I like CNBC as a channel and feel that generally they give everyone a fair shake because they are a business channel. Personally, I think it is one of the best channels on television. You can't tell me that CNBC has some hidden liberal agenda when one of its commentators in the morning, Rick Santelli, basically sparked the Tea Party movement with his rant about government bailouts and many of the CEOs that come on as guests, like Jack Welsh or Ken Langone, go crazy talking about how the liberals have created an environment that is hostile to business.

Secondly, while it makes for a great soundbite saying that a "$.05 part would have fixed the gun", let's just pump the fucking brakes a little and remember that this gun was first produced in 1962. $.05 back then was a lot more than it is now and that was also a different era when we didn't live in a fucking nanny state. Cars didn't even come with seat belts back then.

Last, as a show of support and to vote with my wallet on this issue, I believe I will go out and buy a Remington 700. I have shot them but have never owned one. My only question is should it be, .300 Winchester magnum or .308 Winchester? I already have an M1A and it is .308 is why I consider the .308. Plus you can get the 700 with a threaded barrel and a suppressor for the .308 too
I bought the .300 Win Mag.
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What the hell man? Am I being a "tool" because I am not immediately and unquestionably siding with a firearms manufacturer?


I am one of the most pro second amendment people that I know, but I do believe that Remington has overlooked this important issue. By the way, Remington will fix your trigger if you send your gun into them, but it will cost you $19.99. I DO NOT believe that safety related upgrades and updates should cost the consumer.


AL P, you made an excellent post and I believe you pretty much hit the nail on the head in a well thought out manner.
They make you pay to get it fixed? Awesome, thanks Remington. I might sent mine in with a nice note about that.

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I say go for the .308, but that is only because that is what I have.

I've had mine for a year and never any issues, for the record.

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What the hell man? Am I being a "tool" because I am not immediately and unquestionably siding with a firearms manufacturer?


I am one of the most pro second amendment people that I know, but I do believe that Remington has overlooked this important issue. By the way, Remington will fix your trigger if you send your gun into them, but it will cost you $19.99. I DO NOT believe that safety related upgrades and updates should cost the consumer.


AL P, you made an excellent post and I believe you pretty much hit the nail on the head in a well thought out manner.
No not really a tool. But i will say this Not one of these killer guns that has been looked at after an a/d had a stock trigger. The triggers in all these guns had been modified buy the end user. just saying is it more likely that a few people had a negligent discharge and blamed it on the gun or is it more likely that 10 or so remington 700 rifles out of the millions out there failed? Just like the glock kaboom threads there are more than just glock blowing up but since there are way more of them out there we hear about it more. Does that make glock a dangerous pistol?

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No not really a tool. But i will say this Not one of these killer guns that has been looked at after an a/d had a stock trigger. The triggers in all these guns had been modified buy the end user. just saying is it more likely that a few people had a negligent discharge and blamed it on the gun or is it more likely that 10 or so remington 700 rifles out of the millions out there failed? Just like the glock kaboom threads there are more than just glock blowing up but since there are way more of them out there we hear about it more. Does that make glock a dangerous pistol?
It is much easier to blame something that can't speak back.

It's the American way to blame anything else instead of taking personal responsibility.
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