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Weird events at the range on Saturday

I took all of my handguns to the range Saturday to get in some MUCH needed trigger time. The Glocks were perfect as usual, the S&W 642-2 was fine (once I adjusted my grip).

The Kimber...

It ran perfectly, except for one little issue. I had purchased a couple Wilson Combat magazines since Kimber is too cheap to include more than one. This was the first range trip with these new mags. I loaded them up with 8 rounds and proceeded to fire through them. The slide would lock back after ejecting the 7th spent case and the 8th unfired round would follow the spent 7th case out the ejection port. It did this with both Wilson mags, but was perfect with the Kimber mag and when I loaded the Wilsons with 7 rounds or less.

Strange issue indeed. So this morning, I called Kimber and told them what it was doing. She asked if it did that with the Kimber mag, I said no. She said it was not an issue with the gun, call Wilson.

So, I call Wilson. I eventually speak with Scott Fisher and he says he has never heard of this before. Asked if the magazines were tested in another gun, I said no, but the range master (Mark at Bullet Trap) fired a few magazines through it and it was perfect. Proceeded to tell him that Mark had me put a magazine through it so he could see my grip, which he said was fine except he said I should rest my right thumb on the thumb safety. He did not say a word about my left thumb.

Continuing, Scott (@ WC) asked where my left thumb was. I told him I was resting it against the frame right in front of the slide stop. He said to move it up to the slide, let it ride there, and that he is willing to bet that would fix this issue. He sent me to the Wilson Combat blog and showed me a few pictures showing the shooter's grip so I could visualize it. He even showed me a grip that was wrong (which had the left hand exactly how mine was).

I have not made it back to the range to test his theory as I just got off the phone with Wilson Combat. I do want to give a thumbs up to Scott at Wilson Combat as he was a LOT more helpful than the bitch at Kimber. Also want to thank Mark at Bullet Trap for attempting to help me track down the issue.

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Thats interesting I've never heard of improper grip causing that now cycling problems is another story. I've never had that problem with my CDP but all I use are Kimber mags.
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I have heard multiple issues with Wilson mags in Kimber guns, should be able to google it.
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I believe this is Mr Wilson.

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Never had a problem shooting Wilson 47D mags out of my full size Kimber since 2004




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He sent me to the Wilson Combat blog and showed me a few pictures showing the shooter's grip so I could visualize it. He even showed me a grip that was wrong (which had the left hand exactly how mine was).
Can you please post this link and possibly explain a little bit?

The only handgun grip/jam related issue I have heard of is with Fully Auto glocks.
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Can you please post this link and possibly explain a little bit?

The only handgun grip/jam related issue I have heard of is with Fully Auto glocks.
http://blog.wilsoncombat.com/caliber...-vickers-1911/

2 pics in particular, the first is Scott Fisher shooting with an 8 round mag. The second is with a 10 round mag. I just noticed that the one showing him shooting with the 10 round mag has a different grip. Not sure what that is about.







http://blog.wilsoncombat.com/caliber...ooting-school/

Here is Bill Rogers shooting with the grip Scott described to me.



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So you have to use a specific grip, with particular magazines, for these rather expensive firearms to cycle properly?

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So you have to use a specific grip, with particular magazines, for these rather expensive firearms to cycle properly?
I don't believe so, but will humor the thought if it the unfired 8th round continues to follow the spent 7th case out the ejection port.

I may purchase a Wilson Combat bullet proof slide stop with the positive detent if it means I don't have to change my grip. My grip works fine with my Glocks, I don't see why it would be an issue with a 1911.

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I have heard that 8 round mags can cause issues but never like yours. Mainly ftf.

I use kimbers kimtac pro mags with the good follower since it . I like them since they fit flush with the frame. I never understood why they don't just use these as stock mags.

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I have heard that 8 round mags can cause issues but never like yours. Mainly ftf.

I use kimbers kimtac pro mags with the good follower since it . I like them since they fit flush with the frame. I never understood why they don't just use these as stock mags.
Never had a problem with my Wilson 8 round 47D magazines and that's going back 6 years of using them.




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Never had a problem with my Wilson 8 round 47D magazines and that's going back 6 years of using them.
One of these mags is a 47D, the other a 47DC. Perhaps it was just an issue of working the spring in a bit? I don't know. If it doesn't do it next time I'm at the range, then I will say no biggie and move on.

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