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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 10-10-2010, 09:54 PM Thread Starter
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Bought a S&W 38 special today.....

And I can't hit the broad side of a barn with it..... I know its not really a long distance shooter since its like a 1 1/4 inch barrel but man. Little upset. Thought it would be better then this. Maybe its me, any tips guys? I am pulling the trigger all the way back, to the point when the cylinder is no longer rotating. Then getting good aim and pulling the trigger the rest of the way. Btw this is the "bodyguard" version.

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You got the BG38? I had been looking at those and was interested. I handled one at the show on Saturday and didn't like the way it felt, plus the laser switch ergonomics didn't seem right.
Anyway, what bullet weight are you using? Most short barrels prefer light bullet weights at distances beyond 10 yards.
Try some various 110 grain rounds.
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Yea, i like the way it feels, but I agree on the laser thing. Its a nice little gun. I was using cheap 158gr monarch which wasn't accurate at all at 10 yards. I also shot 5 rounds of 110gr hornady critical defense ammo And it seemed to do alot better with it. It may be user error and take some getting used to.

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The shorter barrel guns can be accurate. I have the Ruger LCP in .380 and it shoots very accurate even from longer distances.

Where are the shots missing.
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Are you anticipating recoil? I always shoot D/A guns with a long even trigger pull. I've heard it likened to trying to pull a rail car (front sight) through a tunnel. Think of it like that, and go do some dry fire practice.

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Not really anticipating recoil at least that I know of. I have shot alot but not too much double actions. I may be raising the gun up a little due to the long d/a trigger.

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Not really anticipating recoil at least that I know of. I have shot alot but not too much double actions. I may be raising the gun up a little due to the long d/a trigger.
They definitely take some time to get comfortable with.

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Not really anticipating recoil at least that I know of. I have shot alot but not too much double actions. I may be raising the gun up a little due to the long d/a trigger.
A great way to test this. Have a friend load up the cylinder for you with some spent shells, and some live rounds, in random order. When you pull the trigger, you wont know if the gun will go off or not. It will be a surprise ever single time. This will show you if you have a flinch or not.

Better yet, load it up yourself, spin the cylinder, and dont look at it before you close it.

4 boxes later, and my girls still flinches with her .38 special.

BTW, fst86gt claims his 380 is "accurate" and uses the word "long distance". Its all relative. Maybe 20 feet is long to him with a 2 inch barrel?

I wouldn't take the targets out passed 10 yards. Most self defense scenarios take place under 10 yards. A snub nose 38 is more of a "stick it in the ribs" gun.

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Are you shooting with your eyes closed?

Are you shooting one handed while laying on the couch?




A .38 is no less accurate than any other gun at shorter distances. I'll guarantee that it's your handling of the gun that is the problem. How are you holding it?

A good two handed grip works fine for the little guns.

We have to shoot our backup guns on the same qualification course as the primary duty weapons.

That means the last relay is at 75 feet (25 yards). I've never had problems hitting a man sized target center mass at that distance.
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Are you shooting with your eyes closed?

Are you shooting one handed while laying on the couch?




A .38 is no less accurate than any other gun at shorter distances. I'll guarantee that it's your handling of the gun that is the problem. How are you holding it?

A good two handed grip works fine for the little guns.

We have to shoot our backup guns on the same qualification course as the primary duty weapons.

That means the last relay is at 75 feet (25 yards). I've never had problems hitting a man sized target center mass at that distance.
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Are you shooting one handed while laying on the couch?




A .38 is no less accurate than any other gun at shorter distances. I'll guarantee that it's your handling of the gun that is the problem. How are you holding it?

A good two handed grip works fine for the little guns.

We have to shoot our backup guns on the same qualification course as the primary duty weapons.

That means the last relay is at 75 feet (25 yards). I've never had problems hitting a man sized target center mass at that distance.
Lol, Matt what target ammo do you use. I am going to practice with it a little more today as I plan on this being my backup. I am sure I am doing something wrong however I am using both hands and don't think I am jerking it at all. Most of my shots were at 15 yards then I went to 10 yards. At 10 yards with the monarch I was lucky to hit the 2ft x 2ft cardboard box. With the Hornady I hit all 5 rounds on the box lol. Not much of an accomplishment but It was better.

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Alright I cleaned it up some. This is at 20 yards using Remington 130gr. Shot 15 rounds, all hit paper but 1. The one was just about 1/4 of an inch above. Still aiming high and i guess pulling some to the left. First 2 shots were the low ones. Its a good improvement from what I was shooting.

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Btw for size purposes, this is a standard sheet of paper. Ghetto target but it gets the job done.

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Alright I cleaned it up some. This is at 20 yards using Remington 130gr. Shot 15 rounds, all hit paper but 1. The one was just about 1/4 of an inch above. Still aiming high and i guess pulling some to the left. First 2 shots were the low ones. Its a good improvement from what I was shooting.
Did you try what I said with the empty shells? It will tell you SOO much about your trigger squeeze.
Dont try it, and just keep guessing. That'll get you somewhere

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Did you try what I said with the empty shells? It will tell you SOO much about your trigger squeeze.
Dont try it, and just keep guessing. That'll get you somewhere
Yes I have done that and I was moving it up some with my trigger pull. I have corrected it some as you can see I am actually hitting paper, and I am at further distance. I don't think thats bad at all for 20 yards personally.

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Yes I have done that and I was moving it up some with my trigger pull. I have corrected it some as you can see I am actually hitting paper, and I am at further distance. I don't think thats bad at all for 20 yards personally.
Right on. hold that piece of paper on your chest, and you'd be hitting something with every one of those shots.

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It sounds like a ton of practice is in your future. Haven't shot the new line of body guard guns but I have shot plenty of J frames and they are PLENTY accurate with a bit of practice. Ditch the monarch ammo and get some WWB or Remington target ammo from Wal-Mart and that may help you a bit.

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It sounds like a ton of practice is in your future. Haven't shot the new line of body guard guns but I have shot plenty of J frames and they are PLENTY accurate with a bit of practice. Ditch the monarch ammo and get some WWB or Remington target ammo from Wal-Mart and that may help you a bit.
I did ditch the monarch. That target I shot and posted was with Remington 130g target ammo from walmart.

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Qualification for a BUG is 50 rounds. 15 rounds duty (125 gn HP +P) and 35 rounds of wadcutter (which isn't known for accuracy).
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Qualification for a BUG is 50 rounds. 15 rounds duty (125 gn HP +P) and 35 rounds of wadcutter (which isn't known for accuracy).
At what distance? I'd like to see if I can "qualify" with my snubby Taurus M85.




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I can't tell, but does it have fixed sights? Shorties with fixed sights can be tough. Just getting used to it will make a huge difference.

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At what distance? I'd like to see if I can "qualify" with my snubby Taurus M85.
If it was anything like mine it should only be 5 rounds at 25yards.

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At what distance? I'd like to see if I can "qualify" with my snubby Taurus M85.
We shoot from the 3/5/7/15 and 25 yard lines for qualifications.

The last stage at 25 yards is 5 rounds kneeling from a barricade, reload and 5 rounds standing from a barricade.
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