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Starting to shop for a carry pistol. Questions

Its a bit overwhelming. So many calibers, so many makes/models. Needing some help to narrow it down.

I want it to be pretty easy to conceal.
No revolvers
380? 9mm? 38? 357? 40? 45? other suggestions? I don't want something where finding ammo is going to be much of an issue.
Looking to spend under $400.

Any opinions on Hi-Point pistols?

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under 400, a 380 might do the trick then.

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under 400, a 380 might do the trick then.
Well, I say under $400, but I'm not firm on that. Just not looking to spend over $550 may be a better way to put it. Prices seem to be all over the place. So far I have learned to stay away from anything Kimber seems like.
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Frank you are a pretty big guy, so you could conceal a big pistol with ease. I would go with a Glock 19 or 23 (9mm and .40 respectively). You might also like a 1911 variant in a carry set up (short barrel).
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i carry a g27 .40cal. it holds 12rds with the +2 i have on the mags.

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I have I g33 and love it! Not the greatest if you want to run to bass pro for ammo though, I have to order it online, I also have a 17 and 22. Look at the glock sub compacts and compact slimline. Possible a 26 or 27, I'll be picking up a 20 next month (10mm). Theres a reason that glock pistols command 65-70% of the US pistol market no matter what anyone says. Again though, the best advice I ever had, was to go palm them at the store and find out what you like and what fits you. Then take advice on whats good and whats crap to narrow down your choices.
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I'm not sure I'd trust my life to a Hi Point.

That said, if you can spend around $500 (+/-), you can't go wrong with a Springfield XD or a Glock. You can get either of those in a variety of different sizes and calibers.

Go to a gun store and fondle a few, take note of what feels good in your hand, then find a range that has your list in their rentals and make a day deciding which is better for you.

Also, why no revolvers? I carry a S&W 642 everyday in my pocket.

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I carry a Kel-Tec P3AT with a pocket clip on it. Gun is soo light I can carry it clipped on the waistband of my gym shorts.

Checkout kel-tecs pistols. All of them are great carry guns. Also check out Ruger's LCP and LCR.

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If I had ONE pistol, it'd be a .40.

.45 is great but you're limited on the number of rounds you can carry.
9mm is too fast and light - goes right through things.
.357 sig is good but finding it can be difficult to find ammo.

I love my Sig 229 and my Clock 27. My life depended on the Sig every day for many years and it never malfunctioned once. I'd have no problem depending on the Glock either - plus Glocks are dishwasher safe!

Brand is pretty subjective. The major manufacturers all produce quality guns - find what you like and shoot as many as possible. I don't think I'd give Hi Standard a second glance when there's Colt, Smith, Glock, Sig, Ruger and Springfield to pick from.

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When I was looking, I boiled it down to a Glock 22, S&W M&P .40 or XD .40.

Right now, ammo, for the most part, is readily available. When it got tight a while back, 9mm and .45 were hard to find. I found .40 on the shelves more often than the other two.

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Frank you are a pretty big guy, so you could conceal a big pistol with ease. I would go with a Glock 19 or 23 (9mm and .40 respectively). You might also like a 1911 variant in a carry set up (short barrel).
I have always liked the look of the 1911's for nostalgic reasons. Getting some good advice on models to look at.

So, any brands/models to just avoid?
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I have always liked the look of the 1911's for nostalgic reasons. Getting some good advice on models to look at.

So, any brands/models to just avoid?
Para seems to be the 1911 crowd's punching bag for a few years now. I'd say stay away from them from what I've read.
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Taurus PT709 slim. Shop around and you can easily find them for around $350. 8 rounds of 9mm and slim and light enough to drop in your front pocket with ease.
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I have always liked the look of the 1911's for nostalgic reasons. Getting some good advice on models to look at.

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If you haven't carried before and do not regularly handle a 1911 I'd suggest either the Glock or XD. To much liability with the light trigger and the external safety if your not used to either. A Glock/XD will be both lighter and have more capacity than a 1911 plus you have more variety to choose from as far as size and caliber plus it will be cheaper. You can probably find a used one for right around $400 or buy a "retired" police model of the Glock's as well. I'd suggest either a .40 S&W or 9mm as the ammo is easy to find and cheap, I bought most of my ammo at Walmart. .357 Sig is a little harder to find and slightly more expensive.




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Find a range that rents, and shoot some different makes and models, until you find something you like. I presume you're ruling out revolvers because you want to qualify for your CHL without having to buy two weapons, and that's cool, but you may be able to qualify for both types of weapons without buying either. Some classes will rent you a pistol to qualify with. Don't count out revolvers.

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I have a Kahr CW40 that I carry, got it just under $400 at a gun show, though I saw them a tad higher when I was at the last show. They are made in eithr 9,40 or 45. Good gun, and the single stack makes it a bit more comfortable to carry. The downside is they only hold 7 rounds.

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If you haven't carried before and do not regularly handle a 1911 I'd suggest either the Glock or XD. To much liability with the light trigger and the external safety if your not used to either. A Glock/XD will be both lighter and have more capacity than a 1911 plus you have more variety to choose from as far as size and caliber plus it will be cheaper. You can probably find a used one for right around $400 or buy a "retired" police model of the Glock's as well. I'd suggest either a .40 S&W or 9mm as the ammo is easy to find and cheap, I bought most of my ammo at Walmart. .357 Sig is a little harder to find and slightly more expensive.
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Also, in either one, used handguns in any model can be found in really good shape for a pretty good price.

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Kel-Tec P3AT with a pocket clip on it. Gun is soo light I can carry it clipped on the waistband of my gym shorts.

I don't have the clip but an Uncle Mikes holster. Covers the print up.
Be sure to get the little pinkie extension for the 6 round mag.
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Taurus PT709 slim. Shop around and you can easily find them for around $350. 8 rounds of 9mm and slim and light enough to drop in your front pocket with ease.

I have the PT740 slim so far I love that little gun! Mine only holds 6 rounds though.

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Kel-Tec P3AT with a pocket clip on it. Gun is soo light I can carry it clipped on the waistband of my gym shorts.

I don't have the clip but an Uncle Mikes holster. Covers the print up.
Be sure to get the little pinkie extension for the 6 round mag.
Or the 9 round mag.
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Yea, I have the grip extension as well. I carry Pow R Ball ammo in it as they feed excellently compared to regular hollow points. I also polished the feed ramp and used white model paint to paint the sights. Everyone is gonna call BS, but when I take my time, I can average about 4 out 6 hits on a 12 inch drop plate at a lil over 30yds with mine. Was challenging a couple friends to do this out at my grandparents range just last weekend.

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I hate Glocks so that rules them out for me.

For a comfortable, year round carry I like my LCP. I typically will carry it when I am wearing shorts or a tucked in shirt. Winter or with baggier clothes I grab my 3" 1911....
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I like my Sigma .40 Cheap, reliable, and I really like the grip feel. Great gun for carry. However, if you don't like Glock, then you won't like this. The trigger pull is nearly identical to my old Glock 19.

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Minimum caliber I would be looking at is a 9mm. Sorry but I simply do not trust the .380 ACP round, especially coming out of a small barrel. Of course shot placement is the most critical thing to consider, a .380 ACP in the head is better than a .45 ACP in the thigh




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Minimum caliber I would be looking at is a 9mm. Sorry but I simply do not trust the .380 ACP round, especially coming out of a small barrel. Of course shot placement is the most critical thing to consider, a .380 ACP in the head is better than a .45 ACP in the thigh
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Minimum caliber I would be looking at is a 9mm. Sorry but I simply do not trust the .380 ACP round, especially coming out of a small barrel. Of course shot placement is the most critical thing to consider, a .380 ACP in the head is better than a .45 ACP in the thigh
There have been numerous tests done that basically sum up the fact that in a short barreled gun the 9mm and 380 perform damn near identical. The actual bullet is exactly the same size.
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If I had ONE pistol, it'd be a .40.

.45 is great but you're limited on the number of rounds you can carry.
9mm is too fast and light - goes right through things.
.357 sig is good but finding it can be difficult to find ammo.

I love my Sig 229 and my Clock 27. My life depended on the Sig every day for many years and it never malfunctioned once. I'd have no problem depending on the Glock either - plus Glocks are dishwasher safe!

Brand is pretty subjective. The major manufacturers all produce quality guns - find what you like and shoot as many as possible. I don't think I'd give Hi Standard a second glance when there's Colt, Smith, Glock, Sig, Ruger and Springfield to pick from.
I gotta call you out on this one...

.357 Sig is nothing but a 9mm projectile in a necked down .40 S&W case. If the 9mm is too fast and light, the .357 Sig will be just as light, but MUCH faster. In my mind, .357 Sig is really a 9mm ++P++.

I won't argue the rest of what you said. Except that if the OP is going to consider reloads, then I would NOT use any Glock chambered in .40 S&W because of the unsupported chamber issue that causes the KABOOM.

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under 400, a 380 might do the trick then.

I Have a few 380's, Walther PK380 and a Bersa Thunder 380. Spent $320 on the Walther and $200 on the Bursa. I believe either one would stop an attacker. Anyone who says "so and so caliber would only piss them off and a so and so caliber would kill them quick ect." is full of shit. I personally believe the job is to stop what ever imitate threat comes your way. Weather that be shot them w/ a small cal. and they turn around and run away or shot them w/ a big one and they're dead. Either way you'll stop the treat and life is good. I personally carry four different calibers, 22lr, 380, 9mm and 45. I can change your mind about fucking with me with any of the four.
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I Have a few 380's, Walther PK380 and a Bersa Thunder 380. Spent $320 on the Walther and $200 on the Bursa. I believe either one would stop an attacker. Anyone who says "so and so caliber would only piss them off and a so and so caliber would kill them quick ect." is full of shit. I personally believe the job is to stop what ever imitate threat comes your way. Weather that be shot them w/ a small cal. and they turn around and run away or shot them w/ a big one and they're dead. Either way you'll stop the treat and life is good. I personally carry four different calibers, 22lr, 380, 9mm and 45. I can change your mind about fucking with me with any of the four.
Exactly. I own a bersa 380, its a great little gun. I can shoot decent with it at 15yards. If you make contact with someone with any caliber they will feel it and will soon think its not their best day.

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Get a short barrel 357 revolver. It is all you will ever need for a carry gun. Realize if you ever need a carry gun you are talking about a 10 yard fight.
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Why are you ruling out revolvers?
Thats what I was thinking, I carry an LCR, it is light simple and gets the job done. Really a snub nose 38 was my first choice for a carry gun, not much to go wrong and easy to conceal. I've got a crossbreed holster for wearing jeans and I just put it in my pocket when I'm in loose fitting shorts.

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Thats what I was thinking, I carry an LCR, it is light simple and gets the job done. Really a snub nose 38 was my first choice for a carry gun, not much to go wrong and easy to conceal. I've got a crossbreed holster for wearing jeans and I just put it in my pocket when I'm in loose fitting shorts.
It's possible he needs a semi to qualify for his CHL and doesn't want to purchase two guns right off the bat.

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I gotta call you out on this one...

.357 Sig is nothing but a 9mm projectile in a necked down .40 S&W case. If the 9mm is too fast and light, the .357 Sig will be just as light, but MUCH faster. In my mind, .357 Sig is really a 9mm ++P++.

I won't argue the rest of what you said. Except that if the OP is going to consider reloads, then I would NOT use any Glock chambered in .40 S&W because of the unsupported chamber issue that causes the KABOOM.
You beat me to it. However the issues with glock .40's kabooming seem to have stopped after some of the earlier guns.

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I carry a Sig P238 in my pocket & love it. Very small, lightweight & easy to conceal. I use to carry a .45 XD Compact in a Super Tuck Deluxe IWB holster but got tired of it really quick. Got the Sig for $499.

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i have a kahr cw40 that i carry, got it just under $400 at a gun show, though i saw them a tad higher when i was at the last show. They are made in eithr 9,40 or 45. Good gun, and the single stack makes it a bit more comfortable to carry. The downside is they only hold 7 rounds.
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It's possible he needs a semi to qualify for his CHL and doesn't want to purchase to guns right off the bat.
I guess I hadn't really considered that possibility, but that's completely understandable. I took my CHL with a 5" barreled XD 45 that I would never even consider carrying concealed.

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I guess I hadn't really considered that possibility, but that's completely understandable. I took my CHL with a 5" barreled XD 45 that I would never even consider carrying concealed.
Wow...I meant "two" not "to".

I'll be qualifying with my FNP-9, but I intend to pick up an LCR for pocket carry soon after. I just want the option to carry either.
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I would not feel underarmed with a Sig .357. I have seen what it does to ballistic Trinity River bottom mud and I can say the wound cavity rivals the .357 Magnum.
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I gotta call you out on this one...

.357 Sig is nothing but a 9mm projectile in a necked down .40 S&W case. If the 9mm is too fast and light, the .357 Sig will be just as light, but MUCH faster. In my mind, .357 Sig is really a 9mm ++P++.

I won't argue the rest of what you said. Except that if the OP is going to consider reloads, then I would NOT use any Glock chambered in .40 S&W because of the unsupported chamber issue that causes the KABOOM.
A few ammo manufactures make bullets specifically for the .357 SIG load that are quite a bit tougher then their normal bullet of the same weight used in a 9mm load. The heavy gold dot comes to mind as a tougher then normal bullet and the 147gr Hornady red box TAP ammo is an outstanding round that will drop a big pig in its tracks. I believe that the Hornady load uses the same XTP bullet that their 9mm load does.

You won't shoot a .40S&W Glock because you are afraid that it will blow up in your hand? What do you think about a Glock chambered in 10mm because that is what I like to shoot the most. If I had to guess I'd say that I have put more then 15k full power rounds through one of my model 20s without any problems and most were hand loads.

For an everyday carry gun it is tough to beat any of the J frame S&W revolvers. They slip into your pocket and simply disappear. I prefer them in stainless steel but they offer some with alloy frames that hardly weigh anything at all. They are also utterly reliable and easy to operate when a panic moment occurs. The .38 Spl also has enough power to get the job done and a better then average track record of 100 + years of use. The modern loads for it have just made a good thing even better. It's also the easiest cartridge in the world to load and the brass can last 20+ shots.

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