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Advice on a shotty

I've been wanting to get a shotgun for home defense for a while, but I don't know dick about them. I was at a gun show yesterday and saw a couple of Charles Daly 12 gauge pumps for about $200, and they seemed like they were well made. However, before I make my final decision, I wanted to check with you guys and see what you thought.
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Remington 870 or mossberg 500. You'll thank yourself and they are not that much more.

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The Maverick 88 by Mossberg is the best plain jane shotgun for home defense in my opinion. They can be bought brand new for $169 at Academy.

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I agree with the others saying 870 or mossy 500.

Of the two of those, I would pick the 870 hands down, every time. Some people love the 500s, but the Remmy feels so much better in hand IMO, there is no question.

I would also look for a nice used 870 vs buying one new. Like many other gun manufacturers, the quality of current 870s pales in comparison to one built in the 70s-80s. I had a 1970 vintage 870 Wingmaster, and it was about as good as an affordable pump shotgun can get. The action was smooth as butter, and the blued finish was gorgeous compared to any 500 I have handled, or even newer 870 for that matter.

So I would recommend looking for an older used 870 Wingmaster.

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best bang for the buck = 870 all day e'ry day
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Here is a pic of my old Wingmaster, for reference:



That is the factory 28" bbl up top, with the 18" bbl mounted on the gun. The walnut furniture is off of a Rem. 870 Police, it looked much better with its low gloss finish vs. the super shiny furniture that comes stock on the Wingmaster.

And look at how purty the finish still was:


Keep in mind, that gun was mfr'd in 1970, and saw regular use before I bought it. Still looks pretty damn good 40 years later.

The 870 was the first shotgun that I ever had, and after I started to get more into skeet shooting, I picked up a Beretta semi-auto, and ended up selling the 870, which I still regret

I inherited an old Sears Roebuck(Stevens) pump 12ga that works fine for HD purposes before I sold the Wingmaster, but it can't hold a candle to the 870 in terms of how it looks and feels in hand. Luckily, that was the only gun I have ever sold, and I learned my lesson to avoid doing so at all costs in the future.

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I've had two 870's... awesome, dead-reliable guns

I feel for ya selling that old school wingmaster

I've never had a gun cool/old enough to wish I still had, but I would wish I still had that one!
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I have an 870 that I took in trade. The guy had spray paint camoed the entire thing. I stripped it down to raw steel, bought a brand new 18.5" barrel and duracoated the entire gun in olive drab, and powdercoated the trigger gaurd wrinkle black. Replaced the stocks with Hogue pistol grip and slide. Added a side saddle and called it done. I have less then $100 into the entire thing and one of my favorite shot guns I have ever owned...

SO yeah, I would go with the 870
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I really really really want to get one of those...

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I really really really want to get one of those...
It is sorta cool looking, but is a 2 shot 12g, so I have to ask why????

I can think of other guns I would rather have for close to a grand.
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I was in the exact same boat as you a few weeks ago. Didnt know dick about shotguns and wanted one for home defense. For the price range, it came down to Remington 870 or Mossberg 500, just like everybody has already said.

I went with the Mossberg, only because the things i read online about the Remington express models having no where near the quality finish they used to and being very rust prone. I would say get an older 870 wingmaster or a new Mossberg.

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I have one of those and they are great but you have to watch out for a few of the Mossberg screwups like a canted front sight post. For $600+ that is an issue I should not have to deal with.

For the OP if you went with either the Mossberg 500 or Maverick 88 or any of the Winchester and Remington lines you can not go wrong. Just go out and see what feels good to you and is in your price range. Then go shoot it, a lot.

I bought the SPX 12ga and took it to the range after a good cleaning. We put 125 rounds through it in a single session alternating two different bird and game rounds and two different buck shots. I wanted to get the action broken in and see if the gas system would feed light recoil rounds. Now it eats nothing but Federal Reduced Recoil 00 buck.
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It is sorta cool looking, but is a 2 shot 12g, so I have to ask why????

I can think of other guns I would rather have for close to a grand.
Just because. No real good use for it except, "Hey looky what I got!"

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It is sorta cool looking, but is a 2 shot 12g, so I have to ask why????

I can think of other guns I would rather have for close to a grand.
Yes, those things are too damn expensive for what you are getting.

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You cant go wrong with an 870. I used one for years. Now I have a Benelli M4 in the corner.
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Yes, those things are too damn expensive for what you are getting.
700 bucks for a shotgun pistol is not a bad deal IMO. And, no $200 tax stamp to pay ($5).
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700 bucks for a shotgun pistol is not a bad deal IMO. And, no $200 tax stamp to pay ($5).
I've seen them for $599..

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I've seen them for $599..
$600 is still too much for that thing...
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$600 is still too much for that thing...
Well you could make one cheaper, but then there would be a $200 tax stamp...

A transferable auto MAC for 3k is to much also, but we pay it.

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Everything costs to fucking much. It should all be free.
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A transferable auto MAC for 3k is to much also, but we pay it.
Actually no, for what you get that is actually cheap.....
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Actually no, for what you get that is actually cheap.....
I think the point he is trying to make is that the finite nature of the pre-86 stuff has inflated their value to insane levels.

While a $3k MAC might be cheap as far as full auto stuff goes, functionally it is hardly different from a semi-auto version that is worth, what, $500?

Take an AR15. A select fire/full auto version doesn't cost any significant amount more to manufacture than a semi, but a transferable M16 can fetch $15k?

I think his argument was that the MAC is a stamped design that is dirt cheap to produce. Nothing wrong with the design, but totally nuts that they fetch $3k.

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Thanks for the help guys. I may still not know dick about shotguns, but I at least have an idea of what to look for.
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The Maverick 88 by Mossberg is the best plain jane shotgun for home defense in my opinion. They can be bought brand new for $169 at Academy.
Went by the Academy in Mesquite today, just looking, and they are $189.

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