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AR15 questions.

I'm finally ready to pull the trigger (no pun intended) on buying an ar15. I do have a couple of quick questions. Academy, for instance has a .22 m4 for ~600 and they have a 5.56 rifle for ~1000. What's the big difference between these rifles? Is it worth it to pay the difference? Idealy, would you buy one of these from a store like academy or from a gun store/gun show?

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What do you want to do with it? If I were you i'd go with the 5.56 (.223)...

Just buy used, or buy a used one from the bargain bin for $599. One thing i've learned with owning firearms is that it's like buying a new car. A used one is going to be just as good, you just don't take the initial depreciation hit.

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So, the difference is between the two bullets on the right?

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I'm finally ready to pull the trigger (no pun intended) on buying an ar15. I do have a couple of quick questions. Academy, for instance has a .22 m4 for ~600 and they have a 5.56 rifle for ~1000. What's the big difference between these rifles? Is it worth it to pay the difference? Idealy, would you buy one of these from a store like academy or from a gun store/gun show?
What brands are the rifles, and specifics on configuration?

If you want a .22 I would go with a Ruger 10/22 or something like that. I wouldn't but a .22 AR, especially if it is your first one, seems like kind of a waste IMO.

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What brands are the rifles, and specifics on configuration?

If you want a .22 I would go with a Ruger 10/22 or something like that. I wouldn't but a .22 AR, especially if it is your first one, seems like kind of a waste IMO.
This is the rifle I was leaning towards:

http://www.academy.com/index.php?pag...390-03425-3639

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So, the difference is between the two bullets on the right?
Yep. If it's for home defense and the occasional trip to the range I wouldn't mess with a .22 IMO.
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So, the difference is between the two bullets on the right?
Those are the caliber differences, probably a lot of differences in the rifles themselves, but we would need to know more about them to say.

You can build a brand new AR for ~650 if you feel so inclined. (in 5.56 that is).

Check out rifle kits on http://www.del-ton.com/

You might also check out AR 15 .com and snoop around there, tons of good information. The Classified/EE has rifles for sale too.

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This is the rifle I was leaning towards:

http://www.academy.com/index.php?pag...390-03425-3639
I built my first rifle ever, an M4 style like that, for about $650 with a Spikes Tactical Lower and a kit from Del-Ton. You can buy one straight from Del-Ton for $750.

The S&W looks like a nice rifle. Smith and Wesson is a bigger name, some may say higher quality, but I have had zero problems with my rifle.



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Gotta start somewhere I suppose...

Gotta say I laughed at asking the difference between a .22 and a .223.
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Gotta start somewhere I suppose...

Gotta say I laughed at asking the difference between a .22 and a .223.
I've never owned a rifle. Thank you for your input.

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Gotta start somewhere I suppose...

Gotta say I laughed at asking the difference between a .22 and a .223.
It is just 3 thousandths of a difference, right??? Haha

OP, .223 and 5.56 cartridges use the same bullet, 5.56 is just military spec.
If the barrel says .223 you can shoot .223.
If the barrel says 5.56 you can shoot both .223 and 5.56




Sorry for the rash of posts, but CDNN has what looks to be that rifle for $599

Click here and scroll till you see the flier
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...=496750&page=4

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It is just 3 thousandths of a difference, right??? Haha

OP, .223 and 5.56 cartridges use the same bullet, 5.56 is just military spec.
If the barrel says .223 you can shoot .223.
If the barrel says 5.56 you can shoot both .223 and 5.56




Sorry for the rash of posts, but CDNN has what looks to be that rifle for $599

Click here and scroll till you see the flier
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...=496750&page=4
I appreciate it man.

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One more thing, register over at texashuntingforum.com and post up in the classifieds. That board has a heavily active classified section.

Post up that you're looking for an AR15 and want to keep it close to 600. Keep in mind that if the AR15 is a flat top, then you'll have to spend some more coin on optics.

If you're not in any rush buy the parts yourself and i'm sure someone from the board will help you assemble it.
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Yep. If it's for home defense and the occasional trip to the range I wouldn't mess with a .22 IMO.
Thanks for all of your help man.

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Thanks for all of your help man.
YW! Welcome to another addicting, expensive, yet fun hobby

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Offer $575, he'll probably counter to $625, then finalize at $600
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Offer $575, he'll probably counter to $625, then finalize at $600
He's got two replies with cash in hand. Probably won't be able to drop that price much. Nice to see that I can get out of the door $400~ below budget though.

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He's got two replies with cash in hand. Probably won't be able to drop that price much. Nice to see that I can get out of the door $400~ below budget though.
There's more deals out there. If you wanted to spend 1k on a used setup you'll be able to find a very nice rig. Something already setup with an Eotech, etc...

Just post some WTB threads and see what comes your way.
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There's more deals out there. If you wanted to spend 1k on a used setup you'll be able to find a very nice rig. Something already setup with an Eotech, etc...

Just post some WTB threads and see what comes your way.
I appreciate the advice. I'm going to register over there and then I'll do exactly that. You wouldn't be apprehensive about buying used? I've only bought pistols but I've always bought new.

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I appreciate the advice. I'm going to register over there and then I'll do exactly that. You wouldn't be apprehensive about buying used? I've only bought pistols but I've always bought new.
Just check it out and make sure nothing is physically broken, look for heavy wear, etc.

In the past couple months I've bought and sold probably 12 firearms, only one I lost money on and it was one I bought new. Used it just as good and there are so many aftermarket parts for reasonable prices if something does eventually take a crap on you.
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The 22 is a dedicated 22 rifle and just looks like an AR the 223 is a true AR

My first answer when asked what to buy is "what are your needs" are you looking for home defense, plinking, target, long range, just to say you have one?

depending on the answer would dictate my reply

If you want a long range setup I would first suggest another platform like a bolt action or a M1A if AR is still what you want I would suggest a bushmaster varmenter or other long barrel fixed stock type rifle

If you want to be impressive build it yourself or have it built to custom specs By the time you purchase rifle, rails, grips ect.... you will have replaced 75% of the parts and will have spent 75% more than needed

Target (200yrd to 75yrd) I would recommend a 20" gun with fixed stock from any of the standard manufactures in reality there is not more than 5% difference between most guns only real difference is the cute picture on the side.

home defense or plinking I'd recommend a 16" or SBR carbine The smith is an excelent choice but you can usually find a stag arms (the co that builds the smith) between 50 and 100 cheaper just for the logo on the side.

personally I have owned many AR's I have only purchased one factory built one Buy one of the ridiculously cheap receivers buy some parts here and there and snap it together I'm sure many here, including myself, would be more than happy to help with any problems
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