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Flying with / shipping a firearm

I am currently still a Texas citizen (always will be imo) legally, and would like to take advantage of my trip home next month, and buy a 1911. Have any of you flown with a weapon before? If so what can I expect?

On the other hand, what are the regulations concerning shipping a firearm? Can I have it sent in pieces (slide, then barrell, then handpiece) and be legal/safe, or are there regualations against that?

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My father used to fly around with hunting rifles. He would just check them at the ticket counter and pick them up at baggage claim.

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You have to check California law on this one and I doubt you can just come here and buy one then take it back with you.

Wait, are you military and still maintain a Texas DL?

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Not sure about the whole bring a nasty gun back to good ole "Kalifornia", but the TSA regs for flying with one are here...
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...rial_1666.shtm

EDIT: The only thing I can find that you might have some trouble with is magazines over 10 rounds. Since you are not a resident of the state, most of the handgun ownership laws there shouldn't apply.

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Declare that you're flying with a firearm. It has to be in a locked hardcase that is NON-TSA approved lock, and you maintain possession of the key at all times. You open the case and demonstrate that the gun is unloaded, then lock the case and put it back with your luggage. You're limited on the amount of ammo you can bring and it has to be in appropriate boxes.

Some airlines will not know the regulations, so you have to stand your ground. DO NOT GIVE THEM YOUR KEY.

I've flown with a handgun more times than I can count. No issues, but occasionally you will have to deal with a bit more of a pain at the counter. I've had to go down into the inspection area to open the case so the TSA could verify the contents. They wanted me to give them the gun and the key, and they were going to "bring it back". LOL. Right, fuckhead.

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Declare that you're flying with a firearm. It has to be in a locked hardcase that is NON-TSA approved lock, and you maintain possession of the key at all times. You open the case and demonstrate that the gun is unloaded, then lock the case and put it back with your luggage. You're limited on the amount of ammo you can bring and it has to be in appropriate boxes.

Some airlines will not know the regulations, so you have to stand your ground. DO NOT GIVE THEM YOUR KEY.

I've flown with a handgun more times than I can count. No issues, but occasionally you will have to deal with a bit more of a pain at the counter. I've had to go down into the inspection area to open the case so the TSA could verify the contents. They wanted me to give them the gun and the key, and they were going to "bring it back". LOL. Right, fuckhead.
That's the way it works but he still needs to verify the laws of the people's republic of california. I'd hate to violate a firearm law in that fucking place.

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Honestly, I don't think that flying a firearm into Kali is much different than the Gestapo city of Chicago, but you'd do good to check this out Aaron.

I never had any trouble flying my gun into Midway or any other place I've been to, but I've never flown into Kali.
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Do yourself a favor - print out the TSA guidelines, and be prepared to present them if challenged. I travel extensively, and often have to re-familiarize TSA when they pull some grooming scissors or a small screwdriver.. I don't expect them to memorize "every" regulation, but some guys are real turd balls when it comes to small items with a point, lighters, ammo, etc.

As example - I guarantee you can walk through (scan through) with gel-sole inserts (shoes), and nothing is said, yet, your money clip with a small clip gets inspected every time.

Good luck and happy travels..
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Declare that you're flying with a firearm. It has to be in a locked hardcase that is NON-TSA approved lock, and you maintain possession of the key at all times. You open the case and demonstrate that the gun is unloaded, then lock the case and put it back with your luggage. You're limited on the amount of ammo you can bring and it has to be in appropriate boxes.

Some airlines will not know the regulations, so you have to stand your ground. DO NOT GIVE THEM YOUR KEY.

I've flown with a handgun more times than I can count. No issues, but occasionally you will have to deal with a bit more of a pain at the counter. I've had to go down into the inspection area to open the case so the TSA could verify the contents. They wanted me to give them the gun and the key, and they were going to "bring it back". LOL. Right, fuckhead.
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Do yourself a favor - print out the TSA guidelines, and be prepared to present them if challenged. I travel extensively, and often have to re-familiarize TSA when they pull some grooming scissors or a small screwdriver.. I don't expect them to memorize "every" regulation, but some guys are real turd balls when it comes to small items with a point, lighters, ammo, etc.

As example - I guarantee you can walk through (scan through) with gel-sole inserts (shoes), and nothing is said, yet, your money clip with a small clip gets inspected every time.

Good luck and happy travels..
Thanks for the info gents. I usually get to the airport way early anyway, and I won't be flying with ammo.


How about the mailing part of it? It's not illegal to mail steel, that I know of, but steel shaped like a barrel is invariably different.

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Thanks for the info gents. I usually get to the airport way early anyway, and I won't be flying with ammo.


How about the mailing part of it? It's not illegal to mail steel, that I know of, but steel shaped like a barrel is invariably different.
It's actually the receiver that you would have to mail from an FFL to an FFL. Estimated cost? 50$ Min + shipping. Just take it with you in your checked baggage.

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It's actually the receiver that you would have to mail from an FFL to an FFL. Estimated cost? 50$ Min + shipping. Just take it with you in your checked baggage.
Why would he have to mail it from an FFL to an FFL. Couldn't he just FedEX it to himself? It's not transferring ownership.
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You can mail a gun to yourself in any state as long as the gun meets the state requirements. Pistols must go overnight mail.
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I am currently still a Texas citizen (always will be imo) legally, and would like to take advantage of my trip home next month, and buy a 1911. Have any of you flown with a weapon before? If so what can I expect?

On the other hand, what are the regulations concerning shipping a firearm? Can I have it sent in pieces (slide, then barrell, then handpiece) and be legal/safe, or are there regualations against that?
From what I know you cant carry a firearm in your carry on. You can in your other luggage and you have to notify the airport/security. As far as shipping you can send it to any ffl local to you. The portion with the serial numbers is the part that is considered the gun. So slides, barrels, mags, springs ,etc can be sent direct to someone.



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Why would he have to mail it from an FFL to an FFL. Couldn't he just FedEX it to himself? It's not transferring ownership.
Not according to the law I've read. It appears to be illegal to ship a handgun unless via FFLs

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I was able to ship guns from California to a FFL in VA. I was told by the FFL dealer I would have to declare them at the post office and supply the FFL number. I did so, however with the way they acted either they didn't know the regulations or didn't give a crap.

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I fly all the time with firearms. I've recently flown in and out of California twice with hand guns. It's painless.

All you need is a lockable suitcase and a lock. You will have to check it. When you get to the baggage check, let the agent know you are traveling with a firearm and you have to have TSA take a look at it. They will point you in their direction. I've brought several back wrapped in towels but a hard case wouldn't hurt. Generally TSA will have you open the suitcase and show them the gun. You will fill out a tag , then they will have you lock it, then they will tag it and take the bag. You keep the key.

If you take ammo with you, most airlines have limits. Most limit you to 11 lbs. Check the airline you are flying with.

When you land, you will have to pick it up at a secured bag claim. It won't be on the regular carousel.

As for California law, they require new residents to file and ownership report.

http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/ab991frm.pdf

If you are going to claim to be a traveling Texan, you may choose to ignore it. In the two times I have been there with guns, I have never been asked about it. If they do, tell them about the form and let them know you have 60 days to file it.
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I fly all the time with firearms. I've recently flown in and out of California twice with hand guns. It's painless.

All you need is a lockable suitcase and a lock. You will have to check it. When you get to the baggage check, let the agent know you are traveling with a firearm and you have to have TSA take a look at it. They will point you in their direction. I've brought several back wrapped in towels but a hard case wouldn't hurt. Generally TSA will have you open the suitcase and show them the gun. You will fill out a tag , then they will have you lock it, then they will tag it and take the bag. You keep the key.

If you take ammo with you, most airlines have limits. Most limit you to 11 lbs. Check the airline you are flying with.

When you land, you will have to pick it up at a secured bag claim. It won't be on the regular carousel.

As for California law, they require new residents to file and ownership report.

http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/ab991frm.pdf

If you are going to claim to be a traveling Texan, you may choose to ignore it. In the two times I have been there with guns, I have never been asked about it. If they do, tell them about the form and let them know you have 60 days to file it.
I would also suggest doing what claircom said and print out the TSA reg's for reference.


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Look, several people are spot on - in regards to flying with a firearm - here it is straight from the horse's mouth...

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...rial_1666.shtm

....which always better then trying to tell a TSA agent..."I was told on DFWS...."

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Here is a good guide to flying with a firearm.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1202384
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If you take ammo with you, most airlines have limits. Most limit you to 11 lbs. Check the airline you are flying with.
Does the ammo have to be in a seperate bag? The gun being unloaded is a no-brainer, but does ammo have to go seperate?

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I did exactly what you are doing when I bought my pistol. Just make sure it is unloaded, and in a locked case, separate from the ammo. Just be sure and check Cali laws, they dont allow certain guns or magazines in (I dont think you are allowed to have a 12 round mag).

I went to the airport, declared, they took me to the side and they inspected the case and weapon, then I checked it in. I never got checked once I landed in San Diego or anything, just got my bag from baggage claim and walked out.

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I never got checked once I landed in San Diego or anything, just got my bag from baggage claim and walked out.
Was it on the regular carousel, or did you have to go elsewhere to get your bag?

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