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308 rifles.... AR-10 vs. M1A vs. FN FAL etc.

I've decided to do the following for my next two rifles.

I thought about getting an AK, but decided I'd rather just get a 7.62X39 upper for my AR. In the event of the end of times, I'd have 5.56 and 7.62X39 uppers so ammo should be relatively easy to come by.

I also want 308 Winchester caliber rifle. I think I'd prefer an AR-10 or an M1A. I might also want an FN FAL or possibly just a nice Rem 700 bolt action rifle.

Anyone have any recommendations or opinions on this matter?

I'm looking for something with more range than my AR and more punch at that range. I'd like to have AR type accuracy or even better.

If going with an AR-10, would you recommend Armalite or Bushmaster styles? The M1A would probably be a standard Springfield.
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I think every free and eligible man should have one of each.

Why limit yourself to just one?
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I picked up a sweet FNAR .308 today with a millet scope and bipod front rest... It's a beautiful rifle and is guaranteed by FN to shoot >MOA at 100 yards from the factory.
Came with hard case, 3 FN 20 round mags and 100 rounds of ammo. I can't wait to take it to the range. If you're in the market for a .308, I would definitely put this one on your list to consider.
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I have a DPMS .308 and love it!

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get a dpms lr 308 with the stainless bull barrel mine shoots .5 inch groups at 200 yards with surplus ammo
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I picked up a sweet FNAR .308 today with a millet scope and bipod front rest... It's a beautiful rifle and is guaranteed by FN to shoot >MOA at 100 yards from the factory.
Came with hard case, 3 FN 20 round mags and 100 rounds of ammo. I can't wait to take it to the range. If you're in the market for a .308, I would definitely put this one on your list to consider.
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I have a DPMS bare lower to build and some of the parts to make it happen. For a semi-auto I have to vote AR.

As far as the FNAR, I am a huge FN fan but just don't like the looks. Now I may shoot it and and enjoy the hell out of it so I am keeping an open mind.
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M1A National Match gets my vote
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I am kind of in the same boat. I want to get a Remington 700 in .308, but I also want to get an AR-10. With the AR-10, I am having a hard time finding what I want. It is getting a little frustrating.

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get a dpms lr 308 with the stainless bull barrel mine shoots .5 inch groups at 200 yards with surplus ammo
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dpms ftw. I picked up a 24 inch stainless bull barrel one. About halfway thru the barrel breakin and I can put them in the same hole at 100 with my handloads. Shot .5 inch groups with factory winchester 150gr out of the box

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It depends on what you are using it for I use a Remington 700 built by sniper country for long range 400 yards out. But I has a GA precision Armalite AR-10 that I use most of the time. The AR-10 is a good platform and is great for follow up shots but will only hold a minute MOA till about 400 yards.

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While not a .308, they make the firearm in that caliber.

I have a Remington SPS 700 tactical in .223 with a badger ordinance detachable mag, Bell & Carlson A5 medalist stock, Harris bi-pod, Nikon 6x18-40.

Should look like this when done. http://www.us-rd.com/sitebuilder/ima...IG-963x469.jpg

Now that i've bought the parts for this rifle I wish I did something on an AR platform. I'd have semi over bolt action and a larger magazine with the same shooting capability.
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It depends on what you are using it for I use a Remington 700 built by sniper country for long range 400 yards out. But I has a GA precision Armalite AR-10 that I use most of the time. The AR-10 is a good platform and is great for follow up shots but will only hold a minute MOA till about 400 yards.

http://www.gaprecision.net/ga-precis...ion-ar-10.html


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For what its worth, I'll say I've really enjoyed my STG-58 (FAL). I got it many years ago for half of what they're going for now. At least parts are still cheap for them. If I was buying now with the current prices, I'd get a different platform.


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I think every free and eligible man should have one of each.

Why limit yourself to just one?
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DPMS 24in bull in 308 with Magpul mags for $1000 looks like a great deal.

A nice Springfield NM M1 is 2k, a Super NM is lot more. The Loaded Stainless is less than 2k.

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I'd say it all depends on budget.

out of the box I would expect a match M1A would outperform even target bull barrel AR-10's. However AR-10's are cheaper to modify.

If money was not a big concern I'd say a modified M1A, MSG-90 or PSG-1. And for the last two, money shouldn't even be mentioned.
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As for the FAL question, I wouldn't recommend considering it when the price is so similar to the AR-10. The FAL is a dead end weapon for the most part, not much you can do with it realistically..and scope mounts are a bitch.
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If you go with the 7.62x39 upper, get it from Model 1 sales. They have redone their bolt and firing pin, and it works great, even without the heaver hammer spring.

And the only mag. I have found to work is the C-products.



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If you go with the 7.62x39 upper, get it from Model 1 sales. They have redone their bolt and firing pin, and it works great, even without the heaver hammer spring.

And the only mag. I have found to work is the C-products.
I believe you for sure. After reading about the 7.62X39 AR mags, I'm leaning towards a 6.8 SPC upper even if ammo is way more.

I think I'm also leaning towards an AR-10 / LR-308 now too. It'll probably be my Christmas present to myself.
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I believe you for sure. After reading about the 7.62X39 AR mags, I'm leaning towards a 6.8 SPC upper even if ammo is way more.

I think I'm also leaning towards an AR-10 / LR-308 now too. It'll probably be my Christmas present to myself.

I have one with the longer firing pin and heaver hammer spring, it works great. I built my brother one using the Model 1 re-designed bolt, it worked flawlessly as well.

If you are interested in going to the range, to shoot the 7.62x39 AR or the AR 10 .308, I have both, and your more than welcome to shoot them at the range (or some where safe) to see witch one you like. If you have access to land, that would be the best option for shooting different ammo.



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As for the FAL question, I wouldn't recommend considering it when the price is so similar to the AR-10. The FAL is a dead end weapon for the most part, not much you can do with it realistically..and scope mounts are a bitch.
I disagree

The FAL is a battle rifle. It is the AK of the 308 rifles. Scope mounts are available from DSA and are rock solid. The rifle is not M1A accurate but it is AK reliable. I would say it is AR-10 accurate for box stock vs mil spec. I would agree that there are not a lot of options as far as "tacticooling" it up there are para kits (folding stock) and the rifle works well in barrel lengths from 10" for 24"

that being said my recommendation would be first M1A national match or standard Upgraded with scope, stock that fits, few internal upgrades, Second Rem 700 PSS, VSS or the like nice glass and again refitted to your needs, third FAL para or standard. I'm not an AR-10 fan if I were to recommend one it would be the Rock River as it takes FAL mags.
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For a Semi-Automatic, I'd recommend the Springfield Armory M1A. They are expensive, but they are accurate, magazines are easily to get & cheap (44mag.com).

For a Bolt Action, I'd recommend that you get a Remington 700 SPS Tactical in .308win.

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I disagree

The FAL is a battle rifle. It is the AK of the 308 rifles. Scope mounts are available from DSA and are rock solid. The rifle is not M1A accurate but it is AK reliable. I would say it is AR-10 accurate for box stock vs mil spec. I would agree that there are not a lot of options as far as "tacticooling" it up there are para kits (folding stock) and the rifle works well in barrel lengths from 10" for 24"

that being said my recommendation would be first M1A national match or standard Upgraded with scope, stock that fits, few internal upgrades, Second Rem 700 PSS, VSS or the like nice glass and again refitted to your needs, third FAL para or standard. I'm not an AR-10 fan if I were to recommend one it would be the Rock River as it takes FAL mags.
I'd say the AK of the 308 battle rifles would be the G3 in my opinion. I don't have any objections to the FAL in any respect other than it isn't as versatile as the AR-10 platform. The DSA mounts are also $100, and you're talking about a rifle that's selling used for $1,000+ nowadays (ridiculous in my opinion). That's deep into AR-10 territory - and honestly I still don't trust the bolt on scope mounts on any .308 platform. If the FAL can't compete on price, it's a no brainer for an AR-10.
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