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What do you know about the Springfield 1898?

From what I've read this is the predecessor to the M1 Garrand, and wasn't relieved from duty due to accuracy. It's a cool old gun, and I have no desire to sell it, I'm just curious as to the specifics. It has this brass cap that goes over the muzzle and front sight, and the way it raises the front sight so bad, and how iregular the hole is, I am thinking that it was a bayonet. From what I've seen they value from $500-$2500, which has gone up due to modification of most exisiting rifles. Other than the percieved flaw in that brass cap, this rifle is untouched.

I'd like to clean the barrel, refinish the stock, and shoot it. Like old cars though, I don't want to be ignornt and over-restore, or ruin it.

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That is a cool old rifle you have.
Other than what the interwebz has to offer, I can't be of much help.
Oh, there were two models that came between that and the Garand...The Model 1903 (and variants) and the Model 1917.
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Thats a sexy rifle. Don't sell it, clean it and put it away.

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The .30-40 Krag is a neat round. All in all, they're pretty forgiving shooters. Just don't let anyone talk you into loading your spent brass hot, because that rifle only has one bolt lug, unlike the Mauser-derived rifles, which have two.

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Before I forget: get it appraised. If that's a legit carbine, it's worth more than you think it is.

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Krag carbines don't have bayonets and the front sight is wrong.
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Before I forget: get it appraised. If that's a legit carbine, it's worth more than you think it is.
As I said, I have no intention of selling the rifle, just curious as to the worth. Thanks for the info dude, but what do you mean by "legit carbine?"


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Krag carbines don't have bayonets and the front sight is wrong.
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As I said, I have no intention of selling the rifle, just curious as to the worth. Thanks for the info dude, but what do you mean by "legit carbine?"
By legit carbine, I mean they only made around 5000, and unmodified rifles are rare period. David alluded to that. Another reason to get it appraised is, you need to declare your guns in your house on your home/renter's insurance. They might not pay out if the guns fall victim to fire or theft if you don't.

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By legit carbine, I mean they only made around 5000, and unmodified rifles are rare period. David alluded to that. Another reason to get it appraised is, you need to declare your guns in your house on your home/renter's insurance. They might not pay out if the guns fall victim to fire or theft if you don't.
Wow, is it really worth enough to claim? As far as I know the gun is untouched, but it was acquired and fired (see what I did there) well before my time.

What do you think about that brass end-cap thingy? To me it's honestly too flimsy to have been a bayonet, but the hole in it suggests breakage.

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Also, it's an X above, but what does this lever do? The one on top of the bolt is the "single fire" option (required by military I've read), but this thing has no effect on firing or the action that I can tell.


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Wow, is it really worth enough to claim? As far as I know the gun is untouched, but it was acquired and fired (see what I did there) well before my time.

What do you think about that brass end-cap thingy? To me it's honestly too flimsy to have been a bayonet, but the hole in it suggests breakage.
It could be. That's why you'd get it appraised. I have no idea what that brass deal is.

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I would guess, emphasis on guess, that the brass cap was intended to be a dust cap for the barrel but was shot through.
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It would be awesome if the all knowing David would expound upon his infinite knowledge.

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Here's infinite knowledge, you're rifle is a fake carbine made up by the DCM in the 20s when the supply of original carbines ran out. Fakes were also created by Bannermans and Stokes & Kirk.

Depending on who made your sling it could be worth a $100 or so.
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Here's infinite knowledge, you're rifle is a fake carbine made up by the DCM in the 20s when the supply of original carbines ran out. Fakes were also created by Bannermans and Stokes & Kirk.

Depending on who made your sling it could be worth a $100 or so.
Why didn't you say that originally? Thanks for proving my point.

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Here's infinite knowledge, you're rifle is a fake carbine made up by the DCM in the 20s when the supply of original carbines ran out. Fakes were also created by Bannermans and Stokes & Kirk.

Depending on who made your sling it could be worth a $100 or so.

If it is a fake would they have really stamped Springfield Armory on it?

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Why didn't you say that originally? Thanks for proving my point.
Because I was on a cell phone?
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If it is a fake would they have really stamped Springfield Armory on it?
Because the gun in this thread originally started out as a full length 1898 rifle. When the carbines ran out, they took the abundant supply of full size rifles and made carbines. They cut down the barrels and stocks, threw on 1905 front sights, and sold the,.
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Looks like a nice piece Aaron.

Personally, I would not touch the wood, and only re-furb the bolt (& other mechanicals) mildly just to get it working properly. Keeping some patina would be nice on that gun.

I also agree with helosailor that the cap was a dust/moisture cover and was shot through.

Try running the serial numbers and see what comes up!


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Check the serial number Aaron, found this just browsing google.

http://www.nps.gov/spar/historycultu...%20numbers.doc

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Check the serial number Aaron, found this just browsing google.

http://www.nps.gov/spar/historycultu...%20numbers.doc
Thanks for the link Greg. This confirms what I figured, the rifle is nothing special, other then being old and an heirloom. 1 of 70k made in 1900. Woulda been cool if it were one of the more limited production runs.

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Thanks for the link Greg. This confirms what I figured, the rifle is nothing special, other then being old and an heirloom. 1 of 70k made in 1900. Woulda been cool if it were one of the more limited production runs.
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Awesome elitist post, thanks for the totally undiscernable information.
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