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A Couple of (Possibly) Stupid Questions...

1) Would it be bad for a gun if you put a light coat of vaseline or cooking spray on the bullets as a lube ? or should it be something like break-free only ?


2) Is it bad to keep a magazine fully loaded if the bullets will be in there for long periods of time, i.e. a gun that is stored in your glove compartment for months at a time. I have heard before that keeping a magazine loaded for long periods of time with out unloading it periodically can damage the spring. Any truth to this ?

Any help and advice will be greatly appreciated...
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1) Would it be bad for a gun if you put a light coat of vaseline or cooking spray on the bullets as a lube ? or should it be something like break-free only ?


2) Is it bad to keep a magazine fully loaded if the bullets will be in there for long periods of time, i.e. a gun that is stored in your glove compartment for months at a time. I have heard before that keeping a magazine loaded for long periods of time with out unloading it periodically can damage the spring. Any truth to this ?

Any help and advice will be greatly appreciated...
1) why would you lube a bullet with cooking spray or vaseline?

2) I think this depends more on the quality of the magazine (ie spring material and design). While alot of people say to rotate or only load magazines to 90% of max, I don't know that you'd really ever see an issue storing at max cap. I keep my magazine stored at max for months at a time and haven't seen an issue in 5 years.

Additionally, the springs should not take on too much more of a compressions set over time than they will from a one time initial load.
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1) Would it be bad for a gun if you put a light coat of vaseline or cooking spray on the bullets as a lube ? or should it be something like break-free only ?

There is no need to lubricate shell casings. All you need is light oil at the manufacturer's specifications. Make sure the rounds are clean and dry. If you lube them, it will make them like a magnet for dust/dirt/lint which can cause a misfeed.

2) Is it bad to keep a magazine fully loaded if the bullets will be in there for long periods of time, i.e. a gun that is stored in your glove compartment for months at a time. I have heard before that keeping a magazine loaded for long periods of time with out unloading it periodically can damage the spring. Any truth to this ?

No. You can reduce your magazine by 1 round if you think it is necessary, but thousands of police officers carry magazines with rounds topped off for years at a time. As a matter of fact, my current magazine springs are from August of 2004. It's about time to replace them. I qualified earlier this year and had no misfeeds.

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No problem.

Oh, and I forgot, this is another reason I carry a revolver as a backup/off duty gun. You don't have to worry about shit like this.
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1) Would it be bad for a gun if you put a light coat of vaseline or cooking spray on the bullets as a lube ? or should it be something like break-free only ?


2) Is it bad to keep a magazine fully loaded if the bullets will be in there for long periods of time, i.e. a gun that is stored in your glove compartment for months at a time. I have heard before that keeping a magazine loaded for long periods of time with out unloading it periodically can damage the spring. Any truth to this ?

Any help and advice will be greatly appreciated...
1) Serious?

2) I can guarantee that is true. That spring just gets tired. The only thing I can relate to is m4/m16 mags. The spring, over time, wont be powerful enough to feed properly, and will cause the weapon to jam.
To avoid this, my unit is trained to load 28-29. Just a round of 2 shy of the max GREATLY increases the life of that spring.

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thanks for the replies guys...

and i kind of like the revolver idea...
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1) Serious?

2) I can guarantee that is true. That spring just gets tired. The only thing I can relate to is m4/m16 mags. The spring, over time, wont be powerful enough to feed properly, and will cause the weapon to jam.
To avoid this, my unit is trained to load 28-29. Just a round of 2 shy of the max GREATLY increases the life of that spring.
so if i have a magazine that holds 12, i load it with 11 and it will increase the life ? i think that is the way i will go.

and as for my first question, i was just needing to know how important or not important it is to keep the gun and/or rounds well lubed/oiled...
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Exactly.

Like '03Tru said, you dont have to lube revolver rounds

Look into a Ruger gp100, if its just going to be kept inside the car.

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You can moly-coat your bullets, but if you go to that trouble for a carry gun, you're a weirdo.

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Never heard of lubing a bullet. WTH?

As far as magazine springs: They wear out due to use, not from the designed compressed state. If you over compress the spring (like putting more rounds in the magazine than intended for), you'll damage the spring right away. But just from keeping the magazine full of rounds to the designed limit you're fine. The magazine spring will "wear out" due do constant compression and expansion, fatiguing the metal. In short, a static, compressed state magazine will last a long, long time. A magazine in constant use, at its design limits, will last a long time. A magazine miss-used, won't last nearly as long.

Edit: If the magazine is good for 12, fill it to 12. It'll last just as long with 11. If you fill it with 13, you over-stressed the spring and its weak right away.

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1) Serious?

2) I can guarantee that is true. That spring just gets tired. The only thing I can relate to is m4/m16 mags. The spring, over time, wont be powerful enough to feed properly, and will cause the weapon to jam.
To avoid this, my unit is trained to load 28-29. Just a round of 2 shy of the max GREATLY increases the life of that spring.
Youre looking at a different mag design and MUCH different environment than a standard civilian carry. While it will probably improve the life on your firearm doing what you mentioned, he's not operating under the same conditions.

Your weapon also undergoes much greater shock and vibe than a standard carry as well a great deal more reloads.
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Youre looking at a different mag design and MUCH different environment than a standard civilian carry. While it will probably improve the life on your firearm doing what you mentioned, he's not operating under the same conditions.

Your weapon also undergoes much greater shock and vibe than a standard carry as well a great deal more reloads.
I understand, Just talking about the stuff I know. I've carried an M9, and a H&K .45 in theater, and actually never had pistol mag springs wear out.

OP should just fill his mag full, and pray his auto dosnt jam.

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No problem.

Oh, and I forgot, this is another reason I carry a revolver as a backup/off duty gun. You don't have to worry about shit like this.
Revolver? Really?! I'll pass





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Revolver? Really?! I'll pass
Yea, who wants that reliability in a back up gun. Only fools carry revolvers.
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Yea, who wants that reliability in a back up gun. Only fools carry revolvers.
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Hey man to each his own, carry your outdated wheel gun and be happy and explain to me how its more reliable that a quality compact semi-auto pistol?





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i coat all my bullets in ky. seems to work really well actually!

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i coat all my bullets in ky. seems to work really well actually!
thats because you carry them in your "prison wallet"

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Hey man to each his own, carry your outdated wheel gun and be happy and explain to me how its more reliable that a quality compact semi-auto pistol?
Try shooting your reliable semi auto when laying in a puddle of your own blood and feeling so weak that you can barely lift your gun much less keep a firm grip on it. A revolver will not FTE if you limp wrist it and chances are that you will get off as many shots as you have ammo or time for. The same can't be said of most semi auto pistols that I can think of (doesn't HK make a gas opperated pistol?). For making killing shots while taking my last breaths I'll take a revolver.

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i coat all my bullets in ky. seems to work really well actually!
Try Crisco - works better and won't dry out as quickly as KY...

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After storing my HK USP 40 mags for approx 15 yrs loaded, I began to have cycling issues. I replaced the springs with Wolf and no more problem.
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