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Need help identifying a rifle.

It was a friend of mine's dad's. He has it now, doesn't know the origins. His dad told him before he passed that as far as he could find out it was some sort of needle gun. it's spring loaded, has the 'bolt' at the front of the rifle and is stamped with 25.1.19, no other markings.

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post #2 of 26 (permalink) Old 04-30-2010, 12:35 PM Thread Starter
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It was a friend of mine's dad's. He has it now, doesn't know the origins. His dad told him before he passed that as far as he could find out it was some sort of needle gun. it's spring loaded, has the 'bolt' at the front of the rifle and is stamped with 25.1.19, no other markings.

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edit: now that I've seen the remaining pictures I'm not sure exactly what it is. Need to take some time on it. Most needle guns are German/Prussian. The engraving appears to be germanic in nature, but I can't be for sure seeing as the top of the helmet is obscured.

I'm having trouble seeing some parts of the receiver.. is it a breech loader? It has similar designs to a Ferguson rifle. Needle guns have bolts. The muzzle and receiver are the parts that seem out of place to my knowledge. I'm going to guess the bolt is pretty clear evidence it's been disabled.

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CJ,

He says that when you cock back the hammer there is a spring that runs the length of the barrell that is compressed.

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And yes, it is/was a breech loader
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Take it to the Pawn Star guys and they will have an expert come to give you a value and tell you what kind of rifle it is, then offer you about half of it's value. LMAO!


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I'm not an expert by any means but my guess would be:

From Spain (German built), Old as 1825 maybe..
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The 25.1.19 would probably be the date of manufacture. January 19 (1825?)
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The 25.1.19 would probably be the date of manufacture. January 19 (1825?)
Or the 25th of January 1819??
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That's possible too.
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Or the 25th of January 1819??
This is more consistant with the way that Eropeans record the date.
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If that is an original arm, and not a reproduction, it's worth some real money. Dreyse played with the concept of a needle gun with various muzzle-loaders, until he made his first functional rifle in 1836. The Dreyse rifle the Germans/Prussians fielded didn't go into service until much later, though, and was the first bolt action officially adopted as a service arm. I love those things, and if I had the coin, I'd buy it from you. I'm a freak for pre/early industrial age guns. On the list are a Brown Bess, a Ferguson rifle, and a Chasspot.

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Got a few more pics of the breech and bolt. The two holes in the end of the barrell are only about .5" deep and we calculated from the pic that the bore is between .146" and .188" dia. When the hammer is cocked the bolt retracts into the stock and then strikes the face of the other bolt when released.
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Looks like a Dreyse. Get it appraised pronto.

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That looks like a plug in the end of the barrel.
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Looks like a Dreyse. Get it appraised pronto.
Do you have any info on caliber, type of projectile/cartridge etc...

I googled Dreyse and found out info on the man, but not the gun.

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tell him i'll give him $50 for it.....lol j/k, thats a nice piece

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tell him i'll give him $50 for it.....lol j/k, thats a nice piece
I already offered him $100.
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Do you have any info on caliber, type of projectile/cartridge etc...

I googled Dreyse and found out info on the man, but not the gun.

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It should fire .61cal paper cartridges, but you'd have to make those yourself. I doubt you'd find any ammo. I know it shot what looks like round-nose lead pistol bullets, but it would've faced them backwards, flat side forward, in the cartridge. Also, either that one or the Chasspot had the primer upside down in the cartridge. The idea was, the flame from the cartridge would more evenly burn from the backside of the chamber, increasing velocity, and decreasing fouling through a more even burn. Fucking nutty.

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It should fire .61cal paper cartridges, but you'd have to make those yourself. I doubt you'd find any ammo. I know it shot what looks like round-nose lead pistol bullets, but it would've faced them backwards, flat side forward, in the cartridge. Also, either that one or the Chasspot had the primer upside down in the cartridge. The idea was, the flame from the cartridge would more evenly burn from the backside of the chamber, increasing velocity, and decreasing fouling through a more even burn. Fucking nutty.
The bore is not large enough to fire a .61 cal shell through it. Does it look as if this one has been diabled, or could this be a different gun?

Also, is there anywhere in DFW he could take it to have it appraised?
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The bore is not large enough to fire a .61 cal shell through it. Does it look as if this one has been diabled, or could this be a different gun?

Also, is there anywhere in DFW he could take it to have it appraised?
Dude, that was a crazy time for inventors. There's no telling what happened to it, or what. I would just pick up a phone book and start calling people. I promise you'll get to someone quick that knows something about it. Shit is awesome, son.

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Dude, that was a crazy time for inventors. There's no telling what happened to it, or what. I would just pick up a phone book and start calling people. I promise you'll get to someone quick that knows something about it. Shit is awesome, son.
Thanks for the info, I'll let him know.
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looks like the rifle used in the movie quigley down under with tom seleck. He uses the same type of rifle in the movie. Pretty cool.

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looks like the rifle used in the movie quigley down under with tom seleck. He uses the same type of rifle in the movie. Pretty cool.
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