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Things just got even more interesting in Arizona...

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Friday, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer (R) signed an important NRA-backed bill into law, which removes the licensure requirement for law-abiding citizens who choose to carry a concealed firearm in the state of Arizona. Senate Bill 1108 passed the state House on April 8, by a vote of 36-19 with five absent votes and the state Senate by a vote of 20-10 in late March. “This is a major victory for gun owners in Arizona, and I would like to thank Governor Jan Brewer, as well as the primary bill sponsor, Senator Russell Pearce (R-Mesa), for their leadership in working to improve the self-defense rights of law-abiding citizens in Arizona," said Chris W. Cox, executive director of NRA-ILA. “Both Governor Brewer and state Senator Pearce have been strong supporters of the NRA. The NRA is also grateful to the legislators who voted for this measure making Arizona the third state in the nation behind Vermont and Alaska to offer its residents a constitutional carry option."
SB 1108 replaces Arizona’s former law, which required anyone who wished to defend themselves outside their home to possess a state-issued concealed carry permit. In Arizona’s constitution, Article 2, Section 26 states "the right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself or the state shall not be impaired…" The intention of this language could not be clearer.
Arizona residents will still be required to obtain a permit to carry concealed firearms across state lines in those states that have reciprocity agreements with Arizona.
"SB 1108 will enhance the rights of law-abiding Arizonans," concluded Cox.
The effective date for this bill has yet to be determined.
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Actually 3 down, 47 more to go.
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Actually 3 down, 47 more to go.
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Very interesting. I want to see how this turns out.
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I bet this will NEVAR happen in Washington, D.C. or Chicago.
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Which is why no sane person would ever live in either place!!!
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Wow. I can't believe the state is giving up the revenue from chl's.
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Now...what everyone's thinking....Do you think Texas will follow suit?


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So, when is that coming to the GREAT STATE of TEXAS?!?!?!?
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So Arizona has rediscovered the Bill of Rights.... Congratulations to them!
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I have mixed feelings about this just because I've learned not to trust other's decision making skills. Ex) I lived in OK when they got rid of yearly inspections and some of the rolling shit piles people put on the road were completely unsafe.

At minimum people should take a firearm safety course. I'd like to see them also have to pass a rudimentary shooting test like with the CHL just to make sure they CAN hit what they're shooting at. My wife and I were at Cabela's when a guy was buying a pistol. You could tell he had never handeled firearm at all, let alone shot one. I wouldn't be comfortable with someone new to firearms carrying to "defend" themself when they'll be more of a liability in a situation like that.

Then there is the question of reciprocity. If AZ doesn't have a CHL, can their citizens now carry in another state? Probably not w/out a form of liscensing or a permit that required some training.

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I have mixed feelings about this just because I've learned not to trust other's decision making skills. Ex) I lived in OK when they got rid of yearly inspections and some of the rolling shit piles people put on the road were completely unsafe.

At minimum people should take a firearm safety course. I'd like to see them also have to pass a rudimentary shooting test like with the CHL just to make sure they CAN hit what they're shooting at. My wife and I were at Cabela's when a guy was buying a pistol. You could tell he had never handeled firearm at all, let alone shot one. I wouldn't be comfortable with someone new to firearms carrying to "defend" themself when they'll be more of a liability in a situation like that.

Then there is the question of reciprocity. If AZ doesn't have a CHL, can their citizens now carry in another state? Probably not w/out a form of liscensing or a permit that required some training.
I can appreciate that. I walked off the range yesterday at DFW gun club because of a group of yahoos that rented some guns and were completely unsafe. In all fairness, though the CHL course isn't exactly a shining example.

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I can appreciate that. I walked off the range yesterday at DFW gun club because of a group of yahoos that rented some guns and were completely unsafe. In all fairness, though the CHL course isn't exactly a shining example.

I agree about the CHL. No amount of training can guarantee someone will be safe, but it will help the ones that would be but don't know any better.

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I have mixed feelings about this just because I've learned not to trust other's decision making skills. Ex) I lived in OK when they got rid of yearly inspections and some of the rolling shit piles people put on the road were completely unsafe.

At minimum people should take a firearm safety course. I'd like to see them also have to pass a rudimentary shooting test like with the CHL just to make sure they CAN hit what they're shooting at. My wife and I were at Cabela's when a guy was buying a pistol. You could tell he had never handeled firearm at all, let alone shot one. I wouldn't be comfortable with someone new to firearms carrying to "defend" themself when they'll be more of a liability in a situation like that.

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I can appreciate that. I walked off the range yesterday at DFW gun club because of a group of yahoos that rented some guns and were completely unsafe. In all fairness, though the CHL course isn't exactly a shining example.
It's a 2nd Amendment right, why make it difficult to own or carry one? As it is in TX, it's a right partially restored. Just need to remember that every bullet fired from a gun has a lawyer attached to it.

I do agree that we don't need Rambo Nevershotagun just up and deciding to carry a firearm without at least knowing the basic safety rules.

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Hope it comes to Texas...
heh, at this point I'd like AZ laws to be national. Hell, I've been contemplating looking for a job out there.

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It's a 2nd Amendment right, why make it difficult to own or carry one? As it is in TX, it's a right partially restored. Just need to remember that every bullet fired from a gun has a lawyer attached to it.

I do agree that we don't need Rambo Nevershotagun just up and deciding to carry a firearm without at least knowing the basic safety rules.

I didn't find it difficult to purchase any of my firearms or to get my CHL. I'd say time consuming for the CHL class, but not difficult by any means.
Difficult was the 23 page form for a DOJ background check I had to fill out to work for a company that had a DEA clandestine lab remediation contract. After having gone through that the CHL paperwork was cake.

Seriusly though. We have to have a license to drive, and hunter's safety permit to hunt neither if which are difficult to obtain. Why not have something to show that people know basic firearm safety to keep someone from shooting an innocent bystander? Would you people who agree with AZ still think no liscensing for carrying
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I didn't find it difficult to purchase any of my firearms or to get my CHL. I'd say time consuming for the CHL class, but not difficult by any means.
Difficult was the 23 page form for a DOJ background check I had to fill out to work for a company that had a DEA clandestine lab remediation contract. After having gone through that the CHL paperwork was cake.

Seriusly though. We have to have a license to drive, and hunter's safety permit to hunt neither if which are difficult to obtain. Why not have something to show that people know basic firearm safety to keep someone from shooting an innocent bystander? Would you people who agree with AZ still think no liscensing for carrying
was great if it was your mom, wife, or child that got killed, or even if your car got shot by a stray bullet from someone w/out any training?
I agree with everything you say, but the only reason I think differently then you now is for 1 basic reason.

Will criminals do all of this when they want to carry a gun for malicious intent?

My CHL was a breeze as well. It still cost me quite a bit of money to obtain all-in-all. Law abiding citizens are the ones that get the most hassle from these sort of laws.

Frankly, I'd rather get an open carry license. More comfy and if a crook is deciding who to go over, it'll likely be the person without a gun. Yeah, I know...they'll take it from me right? I have a 10 dollar nylon holster with a strap to hold the gun in. To be honest, it is not THAT easy to take out unless it is the person wearing it, trying to get it.

Anyway, my logic used to be just like yours for a long time. Also, given how I see the government being lately - I'm not for them taking more and more things away from Joe Citizen. If they make open carry or any carry legal, YOU still have a choice to carry or not.

Hell, I'm even okay with getting a license to open carry. Just make it as cheap as an in-state hunting license or a drivers license.

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Just need to remember that every bullet fired from a gun has a lawyer attached to it.
I'm for and against this, it makes sure fools are punished. What sucks though is if your 100% right you still have to pay a lawyer. What ever happened to common sense in the court room? If you could just go to court, say what happened and be judged by your peers -fairly-...

Instead you could have shot and killed a serial killer, and you were going to be his 200th victim and you STILL might go to jail depending on the lawyers, judge and so forth. Also depending what he was going to kill you with. He was twice your size and was hitting you with a meat tenderizer, not a gun! OH NO! The modern justice system is strange IMO.

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Seriusly though. We have to have a license to drive, and hunter's safety permit to hunt neither if which are difficult to obtain. Why not have something to show that people know basic firearm safety to keep someone from shooting an innocent bystander? Would you people who agree with AZ still think no liscensing for carrying
was great if it was your mom, wife, or child that got killed, or even if your car got shot by a stray bullet from someone w/out any training?

Dumbasses happen and no number of tests or licenses or aptitude tests will eliminate that. Bottom line is that stupid, happens. Here's one example: Stupid is as stupid does. That guy was well trained yet he still did what he did.

Totally agree that everyone should have to go through a firearms safety course, just don't think it would help with people who are predisposed to acting like idiots...
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I didn't find it difficult to purchase any of my firearms or to get my CHL. I'd say time consuming for the CHL class, but not difficult by any means.
Difficult was the 23 page form for a DOJ background check I had to fill out to work for a company that had a DEA clandestine lab remediation contract. After having gone through that the CHL paperwork was cake.

Seriusly though. We have to have a license to drive, and hunter's safety permit to hunt neither if which are difficult to obtain. Why not have something to show that people know basic firearm safety to keep someone from shooting an innocent bystander? Would you people who agree with AZ still think no liscensing for carrying
was great if it was your mom, wife, or child that got killed, or even if your car got shot by a stray bullet from someone w/out any training?
My point is that a law abiding citizen has to jump through hoops (fill out paperwork, pay a fee, take a course which takes time and money, get fingerprinted and photographed, etc) to obtain a CHL as it is.

I was in the same boat as you when I got my CHL. When I "qualified", the girl shooting next to me was all over the paper (I think she even shot my target) to the point where I didn't think she passed. I suggested requiring a basic shooting course prior to taking the shooting portion of the CHL test, but was shot down (pun intended) by everyone I talked to. The reason? It would be another hoop to jump through.

Criminals are not going to obtain a license to carry a firearm. Why should we be required to do so? What about Illinois where a person must obtain a license just to purchase a firearm?

I don't like the requirement to obtain a hunting license as it is just a tax, but I do see the need for a driver's license/ID card. An ID helps law enforcement identify who they are dealing with. Without them, how would they properly identify the criminals with known criminal history?

Having a CHL is not something that guarantees that an innocent bystander is not injured by a stray bullet. Getting into a gunfight with another person is VERY different than shooting at paper. The paper doesn't move and it doesn't shoot back.

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I'm for and against this, it makes sure fools are punished. What sucks though is if your 100% right you still have to pay a lawyer. What ever happened to common sense in the court room? If you could just go to court, say what happened and be judged by your peers -fairly-...

Instead you could have shot and killed a serial killer, and you were going to be his 200th victim and you STILL might go to jail depending on the lawyers, judge and so forth. Also depending what he was going to kill you with. He was twice your size and was hitting you with a meat tenderizer, not a gun! OH NO! The modern justice system is strange IMO.
Sadly, that's the current state of our legal system. We as CHL holders have to decide at what point we pull the trigger and be able to articulate the events that lead up to that point. We have to be aware and constantly absorbing EVERYTHING that happens.

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