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are there any true AP rounds for a .308

I have seen some guys selling AP rounds to reload in .308 . could this be true, are there really some made for .308?

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post #2 of 18 (permalink) Old 03-16-2010, 09:46 PM
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Yes there are.... and no you won't be able to buy them without going to jail. It's against the law to own AP rounds.
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Yes there are.... and no you won't be able to buy them without going to jail. It's against the law to own AP rounds.
No, it is not.
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No, it is not.
Federal law allows for the possession, use and dale of AP ammunition, but it's deemed a prohibited weapon under Texas Penal code 46.05.

46.05. PROHIBITED WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an
offense if he intentionally or knowingly possesses, manufactures,
transports, repairs, or sells:
(1) an explosive weapon;
(2) a machine gun;
(3) a short-barrel firearm;
(4) a firearm silencer;
(5) a switchblade knife;
(6) knuckles;
(7) armor-piercing ammunition;
(8) a chemical dispensing device; or
(9) a zip gun.

(b) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that
the actor's conduct was incidental to the performance of official
duty by the armed forces or national guard, a governmental law
enforcement agency, or a correctional facility.
(c) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that
the actor's possession was pursuant to registration pursuant to the
National Firearms Act, as amended.
(d) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under this
section that the actor's conduct:
(1) was incidental to dealing with a switchblade
knife, springblade knife, or short-barrel firearm solely as an
antique or curio; or
(2) was incidental to dealing with armor-piercing
ammunition solely for the purpose of making the ammunition
available to an organization, agency, or institution listed in
Subsection (b).
(e) An offense under this section is a felony of the third
degree unless it is committed under Subsection (a)(5) or (a)(6), in
which event, it is a Class A misdemeanor.
(f) It is a defense to prosecution under this section for
the possession of a chemical dispensing device that the actor is a
security officer and has received training on the use of the
chemical dispensing device by a training program that is:
(1) provided by the Commission on Law Enforcement
Officer Standards and Education; or
(2) approved for the purposes described by this
subsection by the Texas Private Security Board of the Department of
Public Safety.
(g) In Subsection (f), "security officer" means a
commissioned security officer as defined by Section 1702.002,
Occupations Code, or a noncommissioned security officer registered
under Section 1702.221, Occupations Code.
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Federal law allows for the possession, use and dale of AP ammunition, but it's deemed a prohibited weapon under Texas Penal code 46.05.

46.05. PROHIBITED WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an
offense if he intentionally or knowingly possesses, manufactures,
transports, repairs, or sells:
(1) an explosive weapon;
(2) a machine gun;
(3) a short-barrel firearm;
(4) a firearm silencer;
(5) a switchblade knife;
(6) knuckles;
(7) armor-piercing ammunition;
(8) a chemical dispensing device; or
(9) a zip gun.

(b) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that
the actor's conduct was incidental to the performance of official
duty by the armed forces or national guard, a governmental law
enforcement agency, or a correctional facility.
(c) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that
the actor's possession was pursuant to registration pursuant to the
National Firearms Act, as amended.
(d) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under this
section that the actor's conduct:
(1) was incidental to dealing with a switchblade
knife, springblade knife, or short-barrel firearm solely as an
antique or curio; or
(2) was incidental to dealing with armor-piercing
ammunition solely for the purpose of making the ammunition
available to an organization, agency, or institution listed in
Subsection (b).
(e) An offense under this section is a felony of the third
degree unless it is committed under Subsection (a)(5) or (a)(6), in
which event, it is a Class A misdemeanor.
(f) It is a defense to prosecution under this section for
the possession of a chemical dispensing device that the actor is a
security officer and has received training on the use of the
chemical dispensing device by a training program that is:
(1) provided by the Commission on Law Enforcement
Officer Standards and Education; or
(2) approved for the purposes described by this
subsection by the Texas Private Security Board of the Department of
Public Safety.
(g) In Subsection (f), "security officer" means a
commissioned security officer as defined by Section 1702.002,
Occupations Code, or a noncommissioned security officer registered
under Section 1702.221, Occupations Code.
I guess I am breaking the law by owning a silencer and machine gun.

I have seen ss190 5.7x28 for sale at a gun show before. There is plenty of AP out there.
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I guess I am breaking the law by owning a silencer and machine gun.

I have seen ss190 5.7x28 for sale at a gun show before. There is plenty of AP out there.
No, because you fall under the part below.

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No, because you fall under the part below.
Yes, but a defense to prosecution does not mean what you are doing is legal, per say.
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you can own them,not illegal

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Yes, but a defense to prosecution does not mean what you are doing is legal, per say.
Don't start with that argument.

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so i assume each state has its own set of guidelines about owning ap ammo? i want to buy some and reload them...and do a little testing...and see if in fact these truly are ap bullets.

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Don't start with that argument.
Lmao, sounds good.
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Yes, but a defense to prosecution does not mean what you are doing is legal, per say.
It's "per se." You'd think an aspiring doctor would know a little Latin, eh?


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It's "per se." You'd think an aspiring doctor would know a little Latin, eh?
I know a bit, but I always thought it was "per say". Never made the connection I guess


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API is where it's at.
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API is where it's at.
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Yes, you can get AP and API rounds in .308. Since .308/7.62x51 is the standard machine gun caliber it's also one of the most plentiful in different ammunition types. You can get FMJ, AP, API, FMJT, APT, APIT... I've had just about all of those over the years. And of course all of them are legal to own.
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API is where it's at.
We shoot off quite a bit of .50 BMG API at the river. Fun stuff!
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Yes there are.... and no you won't be able to buy them without going to jail. It's against the law to own AP rounds.

AP ammo as define by the law is hand gun ammo designed to penetrate soft body armor like a NIJ IIIA rating. Since just about every rifle out there will defeat a IIIA rated anything that makes most all rifle ammo AP.

The military on the the other hand defines AP as ammo designed to penetrate light armor on a HUMMER or APC etc.

You can own real AP ammo; I personally own 10s of thousand of rounds of it. .30-06 AP is super easy to find while 7.62X51mm is a bit hard to find and expensive unless you know someone in the military who has sticky fingers.
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