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Starbucks = PRO Gun?!?!?! Who a thunk it..

I'm presently surprised by this. Obviously it doesn't really apply in Texas where we only have CHL but if you want to open carry in a Starbucks, where it is legal, that's OK by them..

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Buzz and bullets: Gun fans cheer Starbucks' policy

By GREG BLUESTEIN (AP) 2 days ago

Dale Welch recently walked into a Starbucks in Virginia, handgun strapped to his waist, and ordered a banana Frappuccino with a cinnamon bun. He says the firearm drew a double-take from at least one customer, but not a peep from the baristas.

Welch's foray into the coffeehouse was part of an effort by some gun owners to exercise and advertise their rights in states that allow people to openly carry firearms.

Even in some "open carry" states, businesses are allowed to ban guns in their stores. And some have, creating political confrontations with gun owners. But Starbucks, the largest chain targeted, has refused to take the bait, saying in a statement this month that it follows state and local laws and has its own safety measures in its stores.

"Starbucks is a special target because it's from the hippie West Coast, and a lot of dedicated consumers who pay $4 for coffee have expectations that Starbucks would ban guns. And here they aren't," said John Bruce, a political science professor at the University of Mississippi who is an expert in gun policy.

Welch, a 71-year-old retired property manager who lives in Richmond, Va., doesn't see any reason why he shouldn't bear arms while he gets caffeinated.

"I don't know of anybody who would provide me with defense other than myself, so I routinely as a way of life carry a weapon and that extends to my coffee shops," he said.

The fight for retailers heated up in early January when gun enthusiasts in northern California began walking into Starbucks and other businesses to test state laws that allow gun owners to carry weapons openly in public places. As it spread to other states, gun control groups quickly complained about the parade of firearms in local stores.

Some were spontaneous, with just one or two gun owners walking into a store. Others were organized parades of dozens of gun owners walking into restaurants with their firearms proudly at their sides.

In one case, about 100 activists bearing arms had planned to go to a California Pizza Kitchen in Walnut Creek, Calif., but after it became clear they weren't welcome they went to another restaurant. That chain and Peet's Coffee & Tea are among the businesses that have banned customers with guns.

Just as shops can deny service to barefoot customers, restaurants and stores in some states can declare their premises gun-free zones.

The advocacy group OpenCarry.org, a leading group encouraging the demonstrations, applauded Starbucks in a statement for "deciding not to discriminate against lawful gun carriers."

"Starbucks is seen as a responsible corporation and they're seen as a very progressive corporation, and this policy is very much in keeping with that," said John Pierce, co-founder of OpenCarry.org. "If you're going to support individual rights, you have to support them all. I applaud them, and I've gone out of my way personally to let every manager of every Starbucks I pass know that."

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence has responded by circulating a petition that soon attracted 26,000 signatures demanding that Starbucks "offer espresso shots, not gunshots" and declare its coffeehouses "gun-free zones."

Gun control advocates hope the coffeehouse firearms displays end up aggravating more people than they inspire.

"If you want to dress up and go out and make a little political theater by frightening children in the local Starbucks, if that's what you want to spend your energy on, go right ahead," said Peter Hamm, a spokesman for the Brady campaign. "But going out and wearing a gun on your belt to show the world you're allowed to is a little juvenile."

The coffeehouse debate has been particularly poignant for gun-control advocates in Washington state, where four uniformed police officers were shot and killed while working on their laptops at a suburban coffeehouse. The shooter later died in a gun battle with police.

Ralph Fascitelli of Washington Ceasefire, an advocacy group that seeks to reduce gun violence, said allowing guns in coffeehouses robs residents of "societal sanctuaries."

"People go to Starbucks for an escape, just so they can get peace," Fascitelli said. "But people walk in with open-carry guns and it destroys the tranquility."

Gun control advocates have been on the defensive. Their opponents have trumpeted fears that gun rights would erode under a Democrat-led White House and Congress, but President Barack Obama and his top allies have largely been silent on issues such as reviving an assault weapons ban or strengthening background checks at gun shows.

Gun rights groups are looking to build on a 2008 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that struck down Washington, D.C.'s handgun ban, and cheered legislation that took effect Monday allowing licensed gun owners to bring firearms into national parks. Obama signed that legislation as part of a broader bill.

Legislators in Montana and Tennessee, meanwhile, have passed measures seeking to exempt guns made and kept in-state from national gun control laws. And state lawmakers elsewhere are considering legislation that would give residents more leeway to carry concealed weapons without permits.

Observers say the gun rights movement is using the Starbucks campaign to add momentum and energize its supporters.

"They're trying to change the culture with this broader notion of gun rights," said Clyde Wilcox, a Georgetown University government professor who has written a book on the politics of gun control. "I think they are pressing the notion that they've got a rout going, so why not just get what they can while they're ahead?"

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I wish Texas was open carry. Thats cool on starbucks part though

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I would like open carry too, but I'm happy with at least having CHL..

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I didn't think Starbucks made a ruling on it yet.

Good ol' Brady Bunch. I love how all they think is its a power trip and "juvenile".

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Wonder which VA store it is. I'm also wondering if this is Starbucks' actual decision to allow open carry may have anything to do with at least 4 SB employees being shot to death years ago.

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"If you're going to support individual rights, you have to support them all. I applaud them, and I've gone out of my way personally to let every manager of every Starbucks I pass know that."

Goddamn - a trip to the grocery store would mean at least 6 stops at all the Starbucks along the way.
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FUCK Starbucks! They openly said they don't support the war or anyone in it, ie our troops! They can eat a dick!
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FUCK Starbucks! They openly said they don't support the war or anyone in it, ie our troops! They can eat a dick!
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Speaking of the brady bill, I found this funny.
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By Richard M. Aborn *

Copyright 1995 Fordham University School of Law & Richard M. Aborn

I. Introduction

The United States of America has earned the ignoble distinction of being considered the most violent country in the world. All too often the major dailies chronicle killings that take place in war torn regions of the world. Those dailies do not report, however, that fifteen children lose their lives to gunfire each and every day in the United States. [1] Among all age groups, approximately 103 persons are killed each day by gunfire. [2] The violence is now so widespread that we have almost become numb to the numbers and the statistics.

On a per capita basis, United States citizens kill each other with firearms at a rate of 14.8 per hundred thousand. [3] Among American males aged 15 - 24, the firearm death rate is much higher, skyrocketing to an astonishing 50.9 per hundred thousand. [4] In fact, firearm homicide is now the leading cause of death for African-American males between the ages of 15 and 34, [5] as well as the second leading cause of death for all persons between the ages of [begin pg. 418] 10 and 34. [6] If current trends continue, firearms will cause more deaths than automobiles by the year 2003. [7]"
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its good to see that starbucks will follow local law instead of what brady bunch tries to dictate...
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FUCK Starbucks! They openly said they don't support the war or anyone in it, ie our troops! They can eat a dick!
everyone's entitled to their opinion. guess you read that SPAM mail. did you research it any? it is easy to blame them since they were started in the land of hippies & libtards

they have openly stated that they wont donate straight to military b/c they dont get a tax credit for it. this is a justifiable business reason. this is why Red Cross gets starbucks coffee in bulk for the troops.
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I was never really a fan of Starbucks until I read this. Now I will give them my business.

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When the Brady Bunch emailed me about Starbucks a few weeks ago, I emailed Starbucks and thanked them for not bowing to idiots.
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Speaking of the brady bill, I found this funny.
LMAO...wow, that ain't way off, is it?

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