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AR build question...

Is it typically cheaper to buy a complete lower reciever or just buy the lower reciever, stock, grip and parts kit seperate?

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Is it typically cheaper to buy a complete lower reciever or just buy the lower reciever, stock, grip and parts kit seperate?
Depends on how fancy you get. but stripped lower, $100, parts kit $70. A2stock assembly $70.
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I'm guessing that you'd really only save $20-$40 for a basic setup?

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Will a 7.62 cost any more to build then a 5.56 or will the ammo just cost more?

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7.62x39 (AR-15) bolt costs a little more so it raises the price some. 7.62 Nato (.308 or 7.62x51) is too long for an AR-15 and has to be built on an AR-10 platform making it way more $$$$$.

ammo- 7.62x39< 5.56< 7.62Nato
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7.62x39 (AR-15) bolt costs a little more so it raises the price some. 7.62 Nato (.308 or 7.62x51) is too long for an AR-15 and has to be built on an AR-10 platform making it way more $$$$$.

ammo- 7.62x39< 5.56< 7.62Nato
Just curious, I've read about the multi-caliber lowers, I'd guess it would be something like a .223/5.56 or 7.62/.308 combo? I'm asking because I'm trying to determine what caliber to build for. I've seriously considered 5.56 but I keep on reading to go 7.62 NATO which I thought were cheaper then a .308. And I really have no clue where the 6.8spc fits in there.

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AR-15 lowers are modular; will work with any AR-15 caliber no matter what they are marked (exception being some pistol calibers like 9mm, but there are conversion kits to go from regular lower to 9mm or .22LR). 7.62 NATO is NOT an AR-15 caliber because it is too long to fit in the magazine (45mm MAX).

Common AR-15 calibers are:
5.45x39 (cheapest ammo)
.223/5.56Nato
6.5 Grendal (.264 dia.)
6.8 SPC (.270 dia.)
7.62x39 (.30 dia.;basic AK47 round)
.300 Fireball/ whisper (.30 dia.)
.450 Bushmaster (.452 dia.)
.458 SOCOM (.458 dia.)
.50 Beowolf

There are many more not so common also such as 6mmx45, 6mm TCU.......
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Any recommendations on a caliber for a first build? What's so special about the 6.8 SPC/ Grendel round?

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I hate to sound like the noob asking all the questions but here's another... what makes the difference in the price between a Del-Ton stripped lower that's $99 and say a CMMG or DPMS stripped lower that's $139/$149? Is it just a difference in quality?

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Any recommendations on a caliber for a first build? What's so special about the 6.8 SPC/ Grendel round?
Depends if you reload or not; 5.56 is probably the best to start with, you can later use the same lower and build a different caliber upper to trade out on it. There are lowers marked multi-caliber but as stated before the only difference is the engraving.

6.5 and 6.8 give you a heavier range of bullets which is better if you hunt with it but cost way more and factory ammo is hard to find...
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I hate to sound like the noob asking all the questions but here's another... what makes the difference in the price between a Del-Ton stripped lower that's $99 and say a CMMG or DPMS stripped lower that's $139/$149? Is it just a difference in quality?
no problem; most all lowers are forged and plenty strong, difference mainly is in finish and tool marks. I haven't heard of a problem with a lower yet. Some early lowers were not forged and had problems but I haven't seen or heard of any for a while. There are only a handful of companies actually making lowers and then they are marked with the retailer name......
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AR-15 lowers are modular; will work with any AR-15 caliber no matter what they are marked (exception being some pistol calibers like 9mm, but there are conversion kits to go from regular lower to 9mm or .22LR). 7.62 NATO is NOT an AR-15 caliber because it is too long to fit in the magazine (45mm MAX).

Common AR-15 calibers are:
5.45x39 (cheapest ammo)
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6.8 SPC (.270 dia.)
7.62x39 (.30 dia.;basic AK47 round)
.300 Fireball/ whisper (.30 dia.)
.450 Bushmaster (.452 dia.)
.458 SOCOM (.458 dia.)
.50 Beowolf

There are many more not so common also such as 6mmx45, 6mm TCU.......
I'm building a Beowolf on a Noveske lower right now. Was going to do the 458 but the ammo is more expensive.
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Will a 7.62 cost any more to build then a 5.56 or will the ammo just cost more?
hell yes. And AR-10 will cost you about twice to 2.5x as much as a regular AR-15. And then the ammo will bankrupt you. A box of 20 rounds of 7.62x51 will generally cost you $15-20 dollars. You can get 100 rounds of federal .223 for $29.99 at walmart.

First AR-15 should be an AR-15. It's the cheapest of the rifle ammo's for the most part. If you have the patience and you want to learn about guns you can build the entire gun for around $450, I built an AR-15 last week for ~$442.00
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I'm building a Beowolf on a Noveske lower right now. Was going to do the 458 but the ammo is more expensive.
Cool, I reload so its not a big deal. Would have got a 450 Bushmaster in December when the uppers were on sale but already was into the 458 too far by then. 450 ammo is showing up everywhere at a pretty decent price.
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hell yes. And AR-10 will cost you about twice to 2.5x as much as a regular AR-15. And then the ammo will bankrupt you. A box of 20 rounds of 7.62x51 will generally cost you $15-20 dollars. You can get 100 rounds of federal .223 for $29.99 at walmart.

First AR-15 should be an AR-15. It's the cheapest of the rifle ammo's for the most part. If you have the patience and you want to learn about guns you can build the entire gun for around $450, I built an AR-15 last week for ~$442.00
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AR15.com classified and local gun shows, buy parts when you find good deals. If you look around and take your time you can put one together for very little. Cheaper to go with a stripped lower. If you go with a stripped upper you will need a couple tools which will raise the cost slightly but if you plan on building more it will pay for itself. You can find good deals on stripped barrels and stripped uppers fairly often and for some of the odd calibers you can get new stripped barrels from Model 1 at the gun show for $180-$250.
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AR15.com classified and local gun shows, buy parts when you find good deals. If you look around and take your time you can put one together for very little. Cheaper to go with a stripped lower. If you go with a stripped upper you will need a couple tools which will raise the cost slightly but if you plan on building more it will pay for itself. You can find good deals on stripped barrels and stripped uppers fairly often and for some of the odd calibers you can get new stripped barrels from Model 1 at the gun show for $180-$250.
Do the lowers that have finishes typically last longer or is more of a cosmetic thing? One of the reasons I was thinking of just putting one together piece by piece is because I know I'm going to go with a different grip then what comes on most.

Also, anyone ever bought from ar-15kits.com?

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Since the lowers are aluminum alloy the finish is mostly cosmetic, the better finishes are more durable but even if scratched or worn it is not like the reciever is going to rust...
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I notice some lowers say "forged lower", is there any difference with one of those?

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...another thing about mixing and matching parts to build an AR-15 is that the finishes may not match, some may be darker, deeper etc. so that is another thing to think about; but they are easy to refinish and there are many options for type of finish....
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...another thing about mixing and matching parts to build an AR-15 is that the finishes may not match, some may be darker, deeper etc. so that is another thing to think about; but they are easy to refinish and there are many options for type of finish....
I'm sure it'll cost some money but I eventually want a camo finish on mine.

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I notice some lowers say "forged lower", is there any difference with one of those?
You definately want a forged lower, as far as I know all the major names are forged now. I haven't heard of a cast lower in a long time.
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I have heard it is real easy to Duro-kote one yourself and have seen several in camo finishes that looke good. There was a booth at the Market Hall show this weekend that did AR refinishing but I didn't check their prices.
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AR15.com classified and local gun shows, buy parts when you find good deals. If you look around and take your time you can put one together for very little. Cheaper to go with a stripped lower. If you go with a stripped upper you will need a couple tools which will raise the cost slightly but if you plan on building more it will pay for itself. You can find good deals on stripped barrels and stripped uppers fairly often and for some of the odd calibers you can get new stripped barrels from Model 1 at the gun show for $180-$250.
Some people around these parts have the necessary tools to put together an upper and may be willing to let you borrow them.

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hell yes. And AR-10 will cost you about twice to 2.5x as much as a regular AR-15. And then the ammo will bankrupt you. A box of 20 rounds of 7.62x51 will generally cost you $15-20 dollars. You can get 100 rounds of federal .223 for $29.99 at walmart.

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What he said.

I have built 4 bare AR15 lowers into complete A2 fixed handle light 16" barrel and car stock. Total cost per build = $565 each

I have 5 more bare lowers but I paid an extra $30 for each during the obamascareonguns and I expect these builds to have some better features.

I did purchase a DPMS AR10 (.308) lower stripped from MGS = $399
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Lower parts kit = $67
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Ergo grip = $67
I paid a little on the high for those but the thing was they had them all in stock and could get them to me.
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What do uppers tend to run? The only ones I've seen are $400-$450+

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What do uppers tend to run? The only ones I've seen are $400-$450+
build your own and piece it together, allows you to build the gun for cheaper.
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build your own and piece it together, allows you to build the gun for cheaper.
What all goes into the upper (parts wise)? I know a barrel, I'd imagine some sort of receiver... just not sure what else.

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reciever
barrel
barrel nut (&extension)
gas tube
gas block (&pins)
bolt carrier group
charging handle
flash suppressor (&crush washer)
hand guards
sights (front, rear or none, etc)

There are infinite options for each of the above
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reciever
barrel
barrel nut (&extension)
gas tube
gas block (&pins)
bolt carrier group
charging handle
flash suppressor (&crush washer)
hand guards
sights (front, rear or none, etc)

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well shit... just when I thought I had everything figured out lol.

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well shit... just when I thought I had everything figured out lol.
they are very simple guns, once you build one you'll have it down forever. And you will go from being a complete novice to an expert in a weekend - far more knowledge than most long time shooters.
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If I remember correctly, the military manual TM9-1005-319-10 has torque values for when you install the barrel. It also has a section on cleaning.

You can download it here:
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Just scroll down until you see the manual, then download it.

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I think you'd do fine with a .223, Greg. I do like the 6.5 Grendel over the 6.8, though. Model 1 sales has a cheap rifle kit for it, they just call it the 6.5 Sporter. Ammo was a concern for a while, and I don't want to get into reloading. Luckily, Hornady and Wolf make it now.

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I have a couple of lowers I assembled sitting in the safe. One of them I am going to make a 5.45x39 just to plink with. Ammo is a lot cheaper than 5.56. Not sure what I am going to do with the other one at this point though.

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I know .223 is going to be the least expensive ammo, how much more will 5.56 run?

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I know .223 is going to be the least expensive ammo, how much more will 5.56 run?
not much more...they are essentially the same round. What that means is you can shoot .223 Rem out of a 5.56 chambered barrel, but not the other way around.

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not much more...they are essentially the same round. What that means is you can shoot .223 Rem out of a 5.56 chambered barrel, but not the other way around.
So you use the .223 for the range and 5.56 for home defense?

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not much more...they are essentially the same round. What that means is you can shoot .223 Rem out of a 5.56 chambered barrel, but not the other way around.
true, that is why you are better off with a 5.56 barrel.....
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So you use the .223 for the range and 5.56 for home defense?
5.56 is usually FMJ and not the best for home defense cause it will go thru walls easily. Better of with hollow points or soft points for this and easier to find in .223 factory hunting loads
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If your looking for a AR-10 Classic arms has a really good deal right now



COMES COMPLETE WITH 2-MAGS, CLEANING KIT, AND HARDSHELL CASE. .308 CALIBER. THESE ARE SUPER NICE AND LONG RANGE ACCURATE. SEMI-AUTO.
WE ONLY HAVE A FEW SO HURRY. ITEM # DPMS-PANTHER-308.....$899.95

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If your looking for a AR-10 Classic arms has a really good deal right now



COMES COMPLETE WITH 2-MAGS, CLEANING KIT, AND HARDSHELL CASE. .308 CALIBER. THESE ARE SUPER NICE AND LONG RANGE ACCURATE. SEMI-AUTO.
WE ONLY HAVE A FEW SO HURRY. ITEM # DPMS-PANTHER-308.....$899.95

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suspiciously cheap.
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5.56 is usually FMJ and not the best for home defense cause it will go thru walls easily. Better of with hollow points or soft points for this and easier to find in .223 factory hunting loads
.223 hollow points will also go through walls...just not as many as FMJ

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suspiciously cheap.
I don't get it...they had been twice this price. Maybe I'm thinking of the Bushmaster?

DPMS 7.62 Nato Sportical has an MSRP of $999
http://www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=5355

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I don't get it...they had been twice this price. Maybe I'm thinking of the Bushmaster?

DPMS 7.62 Nato Sportical has an MSRP of $999
http://www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=5355
Well, I personally don't see the use of a short barrel .308 - I would prefer a 20" barrel on a .308.
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Well, I personally don't see the use of a short barrel .308 - I would prefer a 20" barrel on a .308.
That is exactly what I thought too. My dad bought the 16" barreled POF in .308 and I gave him all kinds of shit about it until he showed me at the range what it can do. The first 4 rounds down the cold bore made a perfect clover leave in a 1/2 or less end to end. I was very impressed by it 16" capabilities.

Now my DPMS .308 that I am building I am thinking 20-22 anyways.


Oh and if you are worried about home defense rounds. I have a set of mags loaded with Hornady frangible rounds. My go bag has 1 of those mags and the rest are standard HP. You should be able to do a mag change with muscle memory, fast and accurately anyways.
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hell yes. And AR-10 will cost you about twice to 2.5x as much as a regular AR-15. And then the ammo will bankrupt you. A box of 20 rounds of 7.62x51 will generally cost you $15-20 dollars. You can get 100 rounds of federal .223 for $29.99 at walmart.

First AR-15 should be an AR-15. It's the cheapest of the rifle ammo's for the most part. If you have the patience and you want to learn about guns you can build the entire gun for around $450, I built an AR-15 last week for ~$442.00
The only Federal .223 ammo I seen was at the Breckenridge Walmart. It was going for 39.99 per 100 pk. If you see it going for 29.99, I want to know asap!

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Well, I personally don't see the use of a short barrel .308 - I would prefer a 20" barrel on a .308.
I agree, just posted that to show that it's not that far off for a DMPS these days.

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frangible rounds.
What are those?

Over five thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel, "Pick up your shovel, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the Promised Land." Nearly 75 years ago, Roosevelt said,"Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a camel, this is the Promised Land." Now Obama has stolen your shovel..., taxed your asses, raised the price of camels and mortgaged the Promised Land!
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What are those?
They are a thin copper jacketed round that pretty much break up upon impact. They will penetrate the body but not stay intact to travel thru. Same concept prevents over penetration of your walls etc.

I can not open links related to firearms etc but try here
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu5utNE...sort=%26page=4
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Triggers?

Just curious why some triggers cost so much? I've seen some that run $250, others that run $99, some that are adjustable, some that are single stage... I don't understand the difference in many of them. Input?

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