Point of the post: You can tell your safety manager that there is another business here in Sherman where 66% of the people onsite carry daily, and we have had no incidents. Aside from that, none of our customers know, or even suspect, that we are armed at work.
Also, if you're not comfortable posting where you work at, feel free to PM it to me. I'm sure you told me that day at Ralph's range, but I have forgotten since then.
PM sent on business. And yes, in Sherman. I was thinking about your company if he wanted examples.
Honestly, anyone can sue for anything, so in my humble opinion, there probably should be no official policy for carry or prohibition of carry. Kind of like the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
If you have a policy that states people can carry, you can be sued if someone abuses that policy. If you prohibit carry, then if someone comes in and kills someone, you could be sued for stripping someone their rights to protect themselves or not providing good enough security in lieu of that right that was prohibited.
People have made things so complicated these days that there is no "right" answer.
Holy shit man its a concealed handgun license... Carry it anyways thats why you have it. UNless the place sells alcohol or its a government building.
There's other reasons, too. The 30.06 sign. There's also the "someone in apparent authority" verbage, which means someone telling you can't or even is there's a paragraph in the employee handbook.
The busineess doesn't have the 30.06 sign, but in my discussions with HR and the Safety Manager, I've been informed we cannot carry.
In more follow up emails, he (the safety manager) finally just told me to put it in our "suggestion" box, which is something the entire plant staff has to address. Its mainly used for addressing rumors, benefits questions, and general "this sux" kind of stuff.
Here's what I typed up:
Why can’t CHL (Concealed Handgun License) holders carry at work?
The security here is totally lacking. Doors are not locked or wide open, and likewise there’s nothing in place to keep non-employees out. Other than a fear of guns, I have not heard a good reason from staff nor data to back up the position why legally owned and legally licensed people shouldn’t be allowed to carry here (or other places of business).
Meanwhile, I can supply a litany of news stories of people not allowed to defend themselves at work getting shot when a lunatic comes in the door. I have data that shows as gun ownership rises, murder goes down. I have data that shows CHL holders commit MUCH less crime than non-CHL holders.
Just yesterday, a person went on a rampage at ABB (an electrical manufacture like us) in Saint Louis killing 3 people and wounding 5. It is only about 45 minutes from our Highland facility.
How long ago was it when the one individual came to pound on one of our coworkers? What if he had a gun?
There are more things to worry about keeping us safe in this current work world than sharp edges. I can take measures to keep my family and myself safe at home, and when I shop, but staff won’t allow me to take measures to keep myself or coworkers safe at work.
I'm not proposing a high cost venture in keep us safe. I'm asking to let those that are already recognized by the state to CCW (Conceal Carry Weapon) the ability to do that at work. There's zero cost to the company to do that, just a policy change.
Currently our only deterrence from someone carrying weapons into the plant is a couple of signs posted on some doors. And those aren’t even legally recognized signs to prevent a CHL holder from coming onto the premises with a weapon.
And I'm not saying that every CHL person would carry at work some, all the time or even at all. But just give those the option to do so. And if it were a public and generally known policy...would someone come to our place of business to start trouble when they know they could possibly get shot? It's not necessarily the act of force, but the mere threat of force that deters violence.