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As I am no longer issued weapons and am living out on my own, I'm wanting to invest in my first. However, with my inability to use my left arm, I'm looking to buy a revolver for the ease of use. I'm thinking about a .45 acp. Not to much, not little... Opinions?
I'm thinking this will be best. If needed in self defense, chambering a round with a slide would prove to be dangerous and time consuming. Also, my anti-gun extremist gf will learn to use this gun. *whole other thread needed for her*

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I'm thinking this will be best. If needed in self defense, chambering a round with a slide would prove to be dangerous and time consuming.
Whats the point of carrying a gun for self defence when there is no round in the chamber.

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Ok... Not overkill..

Lighter weight, great overall weapon.
I'm Just fuckin with you, .500 is a big bitch.


I'm not sure on the kick back from a .45acp revolver, but from what I remember as a kid, they require two hands to make a shot worth shooting and not hurting your wrist.

Maybe go smaller round?

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Whats the point of carrying a gun for self defence when there is no round in the chamber.
He was saying it will be a pita to use a slide action handgun, so he was wanting a revolver.

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Whats the point of carrying a gun for self defence when there is no round in the chamber.
A jam would prove difficult. I see what you're saying though. I hate the look of revolvers, but I suppose that doesn't matter in the end. I for some reason feel that a loaded (at the ready, one chambered) weapon even if carried by one with a concealed weapons license is not allowed in Ohio... But then, where does a revolver fit??

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I'm not sure on the kick back from a .45acp revolver, but from what I remember as a kid, they require two hands to make a shot worth shooting and not hurting your wrist.
Maybe go smaller round?

I'm not a small guy and workout religously.. Not to mention I do everything with my right arm. I don't feel this would bother me. Occasionally I'd put rounds down range, but in this case it would be self defense for me or the lady in which a few rounds wouldn't bother if the opportunity ever reared itself

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Is there a particular reason you're wanting a .45acp revolver why not a .357mag?
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Is there a particular reason you're wanting a .45acp revolver why not a .357mag?
I think this would be a great choice you can carry it with .357 rounds and anti-gun significant other can learn to shoot with less powerful .38 rounds.

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Yeah, a .357 mag revolver sounds like it would probably be best for your situation.

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I personally think all first guns should be a revolver. Automatics are sexy and all, but revolvers force you to go slow when you are learning to shoot. If you can be accuate with a revolver, it's all downhill from there.

A .357 is a mother of a round for a beginner, but you can learn with .38 rounds in it. Just make sure you have a cylinder brush with you at the range to clean it out every could of reloads to defoul it.
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Another thing about a .45 ACP revolver is that you have to use moon clips to hold the bullets in.






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I personally think all first guns should be a revolver. Automatics are sexy and all, but revolvers force you to go slow when you are learning to shoot. If you can be accuate with a revolver, it's all downhill from there.

A .357 is a mother of a round for a beginner, but you can learn with .38 rounds in it. Just make sure you have a cylinder brush with you at the range to clean it out every could of reloads to defoul it.
I shot an M9 for 4 years in the corps, Learned off them, and dealth with other firearms pre-arm loss. So I'm familiar Just looking for good options

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Another thing about a .45 ACP revolver is that you have to use moon clips to hold the bullets in.

I was considering this a con.

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For the weight, ported barrel, 7 rounds and lighter weight, I think it's the best buy.
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Is there a particular reason you're wanting a .45acp revolver why not a .357mag?
Or .44 Mag and learn/practice with .44 Special? Only downside is ammo price/availability.


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Or .44 Mag and learn/practice with .44 Special? Only downside is ammo price/availability.
.44mag/spl is what we shoot for cowboy action shooting of course we reload rather than buy ammo.

I just figured that a .357/.38spl is a perfect middle ground plenty of umph and easy for one handed use.

I love my ruger gp100 .357 with the 6" barrel actually put some rounds down range with it today.
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I was considering this a con.
I would. If you had to reload it in a hurry I can see dealing with those clips a hindrance. My vote would be for a good .38/.357 revolver. Ammo can be easily found and you have a variety of different defensive loads that are proven man stoppers. Plus you can vary the ammo for power switching between .38 Specials for your wife and Magnum rounds for yourself.




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Here's one more vote for a .357, but really it's a vote for a .38spl. Just to get familiarized, I'd get one of the LE .38spl trade-ins off of a surplus site like jgsales.com or a gun show. If you're not trying to hide it (CHL), get a full size, full weight gun. It'll be much more forgiving. Remember, if you're making the gf learn, you're really buying a gun for her first, and you second. Make her introduction a comfortable, rewarding one.

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You may want to check out the Taurus Judge too... can fire a .45 or a 3 inch 410 shell. They have an ultra light model that weighs next to nothing. Shooting one handed may be a slightly too much though...
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Another vote for the Ruger, or anything else in .38/.357 Magnum.
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You asked for opinions so here are mine.

You did not state your exact use for the firearm so I will assume that its primary use is for self protection, then other secondary uses.

You did not state that you wanted it for concealed carry so I will assume it is a house/vehicle weapon.

I am a large wheel gun fan (have about 20), and do not feel under gunned with a 38spl. The 45acp is a great proven round and S&W makes a nice one in that caliber. They can be found in 9mm also. A classic option for a 45acp is the 1917 Colt/S&W service revolvers. They are cut for moon clips and make a great revolver but are a full size weapon.

Full moon clips or speed loaders are the way to go if you intend for a speedy reload. I prefer the moon clips as you do not have to stow the clips or toss it away.

Reloading is an issue to consider. Many people think that the fight will be over within a few shots. Others think it may go for a few more shots particularly if there is more than one bad guy. Consider that even police officers that receive at least some training and proficiency miss a majority of the time when in a true combat situation exists and not just holding a bead on the bad guy waiting for them to obey a command to put the weapon down.

So with the revolver you have 5, 6, 7, or 8 shots. Then reload if the situation demands.

Get over the fear of a chambered round. It’s just not justified with modern pistols. There really is no argument here in my opinion.

Pick any modern semi auto pistol. You have at least 14-19 rounds in a full size pistol. How many times would you have to reload the revolver to get off that many rounds?

While I have the use of both arms and hands I have practiced reloading with one hand emulating an injury to the other arm. It does change things a lot but is doable with practice. Eject the mags or dump the cylinder; Stick the weapon between your knees, stick it in your belt, stick it in your armpit (pick what ever works), slap in a mag or moon clip or speed loader. At this point being one handed changes the scenario a bit. With the revolver you can snap the cylinder back in fairly easily, with the semi auto you use you knees or belt, or some other protrusion to rack the slide. Some semi autos are easier to do this than others or can be modified for that purpose. Practice will make you proficient with either weapon.

So it boils down to what self defense scenario you might encounter and how much training you have. If I lost the use of an arm I personally would want a high capacity semi auto pistol of any of the major calibers (9mm, 40S&W, 45acp) and I would practice a lot on mag changes and placement of the mag pouches.

Others will have different opinions as already posted and they are not wrong. You have to decide how you will approach self defense.

Good luck with your anti gun gf. You may get them to shoot well but they hardly ever truly change in my experience ( and I have trained a few). If you knock the sharp edges off of them you will be doing well.

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I love my .357 magnum. It cost about half of what my Kimber did and is just as accurate with my skill level. I also have a .38 special and with the right ammo it's a good self defense weapon as well.

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You may want to check out the Taurus Judge too... can fire a .45 or a 3 inch 410 shell. They have an ultra light model that weighs next to nothing. Shooting one handed may be a slightly too much though...
I personally think this is a bad choice for a first gun buy. It's to bulky and probably a bad buy if his girlfriend plans on shooting it.




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I'm with Wayne in FW
a high cap (12 to 15 shots) semi auto would be the best way to go
you do not want to have to reload anything, so go with the highest cap possible
in fact if your woman is highly anti gun I would go with a 15 round 9mm
you can shoot cheaply, low recoil for her. Easy to shoot one handed also (assuming can't use a support hand)
I guess I just don't see how a 15 round 9mm isn't the best option for you period.
I really doubt you would have to reload with 15 shots available, and that is exactly what I would want. Personally I just fail to see how reloading a revolver one handed is faster than a one handed mag change. Seems like both would be hella slow, so avoid them for the most part by starting with more ammo.

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I think you should get a couple of the .38 specials. You and your girlfriend could go practice together and if need be you could have one in the hand and one in the holster. just me though. Nothing like empting one and having another ready to go.
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I think you should get a couple of the .38 specials. You and your girlfriend could go practice together and if need be you could have one in the hand and one in the holster. just me though. Nothing like empting one and having another ready to go.
That's known as a New York reload. It was used by many before the high cap semi autos became common. Still only twelve shots but it was good for the time. see "Guns, Bullets, And Gunfights: Lessons And Tales From A Modern-Day Gunfighter" by Jim Cirillo.

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This would be for mine and her protection. More so her... house/Vehicle Couple years ago I had to ward off two guys at a gas station in a bad neighborhood. While she got into the car, I was left to defend us. I had both arms at the time so I didn't have a real difficult time with it. *I don't claim to be a badass and it could have resulted differently*

For me the only thing about having this gun that would be new to me is the gun itself. I was born and raised in texas. Have shot plenty of pistols, was a 4 yr expert on range, even did the correspondence course given for the M9 lol. What I'm not used to is firing one handed/reloading/racking. Ive got a buddy with an XD40 I could practice on, but again I wasn't needing to go overboard. about 2 months ago I had about 4 fucking punks run after me. Luckily I was close to my building which is secured. It was a reminder that I'm not doing any favors for myself when I can legally carry my weapon concealed just for those situations.

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