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Accidental Discharge in Sherman!

And no, it wasn't me. Luckily, no one was hurt.

A man at Johnny Carino's Tex-Italian restaraunt (and is a CHL holder) was putting on his jacket and getting ready to leave. I caught the tail end of the story on the radio this morning, so I might be a little foggy on the exact happenings. Either way, as he was putting on his jacket, either his gun fell to the floor, or his jacket containing the gun fell to the floor, and went off. No one was hit by the stray shot.

I call shenanigans, because I can't think of any modern handgun that will fire simply from being dropped on the floor. As a matter of fact, I dropped my XD one day in my apartment, and it was loaded. While the matter gave me a good look at pants shitting fear, nothing happened.

Either way, thought yall might be interested. I'll look for a link to a news story in a bit.

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That didn't take me long to find.

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Firing when dropped is rare, but I do believe it happens.

I have heard Commiefornia either does drop tests or requires manufacturers to do them to be allowed to sell there. Also, someone recalled some of their guns (I believe it was the Ruger SR9) because it may fire when dropped.

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Probably some cheap ass high point or some DAO gun that he kept with the hammer cocked. I didnt read the story but Im not surprised. My step dad carried his cocked and ready to go. I cant do that personally.

Either way, glad no one was hurt.
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He likely tried to catch it and snagged the trigger. If you drop a gun just let it fall, try to catch it and its a recipe for disaster.
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Like carrying a pane of glass. If it starts to fall, let it go. (witnessed a guy at Richland college back in the 90's try to save a pane that they were installing. ended up severing his right hand at the wrist)
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i dropped my piece the other day trying to put it in my jacket pocket

by far the scariest half a second evar!
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a board member who will remain nameless and i were shit hammered drunk one night and he dropped my xd on the tile kitchen floor. it didnt go off.

the LCP was recalled for the discharge when dropped, i am not sure about the sr9 though.

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Could have been an older revolver without the falling plate.
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a board member who will remain nameless and i were shit hammered drunk one night and he dropped my xd on the tile kitchen floor. it didnt go off.

the LCP was recalled for the discharge when dropped, i am not sure about the sr9 though.

god bless.
i was completely stone sober the night I dropped my XD on the floor, and it didn't go off. For a bare split cunt hair of a second I almost tried catching it, then I just made sure I was on the back side of it, lol. Very frightening.

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Probably some cheap ass high point or some DAO gun that he kept with the hammer cocked. I didnt read the story but Im not surprised. My step dad carried his cocked and ready to go. I cant do that personally.

Either way, glad no one was hurt.
That's kind of what I think, or the dropped and tried to catch theory.


FWIW, I carry my XD chambered and ready to go. I am just exceedingly careful with it when handling it.

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I can't see where it does any good to carry if its not chambered and ready to blow.
Can't ask someone to wait a second while I rack the slide, and alot of the sub compacts don't like to chamber that way anyway.

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I can't see where it does any good to carry if its not chambered and ready to blow.
Can't ask someone to wait a second while I rack the slide, and alot of the sub compacts don't like to chamber that way anyway.
What subcompact do you know of that dosent like to be chambered by racking the slide?
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What subcompact do you know of that dosent like to be chambered by racking the slide?
Revolver?

ELVIS you are right I was thinking of the LCP. I had to send the thing in and was without it for 2 or 3 weeks, you would think I would remember something like that.
They did recall the SR9, I remember seeing signs up all over Academy and Alpine, but I don't remember why.

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alot of the sub compacts don't like to chamber that way anyway.
wtf are you talking about??
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I can tell you my kahr doesn't always chamber if you pull the slide back and let it go. When it is held back by the lever and you stick the mag in and hit the lever it will always chamber.

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I can tell you my kahr doesn't always chamber if you pull the slide back and let it go. When it is held back by the lever and you stick the mag in and hit the lever it will always chamber.
the only way it would not chamber if you pulled it back is only if you did not pull the slide ALL the way back
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tried it multiple times, and know others with the same gun, with the same exp.

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thats really not the point anyway, i'd rather have it ready to fire if needed

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tried it multiple times, and know others with the same gun, with the same exp.
then i would be getting rid of that gun and getting something that works right
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I can't see where it does any good to carry if its not chambered and ready to blow.
Can't ask someone to wait a second while I rack the slide, and alot of the sub compacts don't like to chamber that way anyway.
I train myself to always rack the slide and drop the safety on my semiautomatics before I bring it into firing position. Am I loosing valuable seconds on bringing it on target? Probably - but when I pull the trigger I know that the gun is in battery. I don't want to have to pull the trigger and realize that the safety was on or that a round wasn't chambered. Those seconds lost are the ones that matter.

I've never had a handgun fail to chamber a round if a magazine is properly inserted. If yours doesn't then I'd consider that a malfunction in need of repair.
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I suppose if you're having a bad enough day that your gun has been dropped, i bet you're having a bad enough day that the trigger will get somehow get snagged/pulled on something (to include finger trying to catch it).

Thankfully no one was hurt. Wonder if he'll get punished for that and what it'll be.

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I can tell you my kahr doesn't always chamber if you pull the slide back and let it go. When it is held back by the lever and you stick the mag in and hit the lever it will always chamber.
You are doing it wrong or the gun is messed up. Call Kahr and ask them about it, it should chamber when the slide is drawn back either by hand or locked open.
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a board member who will remain nameless and i were shit hammered drunk one night and he dropped my xd on the tile kitchen floor. it didnt go off.

the LCP was recalled for the discharge when dropped, i am not sure about the sr9 though.

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I can tell you my kahr doesn't always chamber if you pull the slide back and let it go. When it is held back by the lever and you stick the mag in and hit the lever it will always chamber.
If your slide lock spring is not retained by a screw, you should send it in and have them update it for free. There is an RA form on their site.
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some DAO gun that he kept with the hammer cocked.
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We use to have some real shitty holsters. Level one with just a snap and the snaps were crap. I can not tell you how many times while running my gun and others have hit the concrete and of course one in the chamber and no safety. Sig 357's and not one has ever went off. I have also dropped my Bersa and Keltec and neither have went off. We have level two and threes now. Even with the level two if it is not just the right tightness and you snap the hood down and forget to snap it back up while running it will toss it out. Good times and not a good feeling. LOL

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My piece of shit Lorcin goes off if you hold it wrong, let alone drop it... I never keep it chambered.

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Eyewitnesses are reporting it was a revolver and it was not holstered, just in his pocket. He tried to flee the scene and patrons blocked his car in till the police arrived. Guy giving a bad name to CHL holders.

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Eyewitnesses are reporting it was a revolver and it was not holstered, just in his pocket. He tried to flee the scene and patrons blocked his car in till the police arrived. Guy giving a bad name to CHL holders.
Got skeered, can't blame him for being scared but of all times not to run that is one of them. Plus, he should've had a holster. I've not been carrying due to not being able to afford a holster until recently. Saftey of everyone else first.

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Eyewitnesses are reporting it was a revolver and it was not holstered, just in his pocket. He tried to flee the scene and patrons blocked his car in till the police arrived. Guy giving a bad name to CHL holders.
must have been a hammered gun and the hammer got caught on something. i carry a hammerless S&W and since it's double action only you gotta really pull or tug on the trigger to make it action. no way a slight touch of the trigger will make it go off

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A lot more liberals posting on the KXII link than I would have thought.

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A lot more liberals posting on the KXII link than I would have thought.

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mine is there under the name "Matt C"

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Duan (GhostTx), your comment and mine just recently actually got put up.


rray, didn't see yours anywhere yet. They generally take a while to come up.

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so is the guy now at risk of having his CHL suspended ?

what is the policy on shit like that ?
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so is the guy now at risk of having his CHL suspended ?

what is the policy on shit like that ?
I'm pretty sure he'll lose it. Be nice to know the follow up.

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so is the guy now at risk of having his CHL suspended ?

what is the policy on shit like that ?
That is completely up to the police in charge of the investigation. If the officer, or his boss is a prick, or finds the guy negligent, the will loose it.



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Duan (GhostTx), your comment and mine just recently actually got put up.


rray, didn't see yours anywhere yet. They generally take a while to come up.
I actually posted earlier than others, Im on page 3 currently.

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i say that if you can keep your gun from going off then your shit needs to be suspended...but at the same time it is bound to happen to someone(CHL holder). if it happened to me i would still want to keep mine of course


i say since nobody got hurt he should be able to keep it, maybe suspend it for 6 months or something but not take it away completely
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i say since nobody got hurt he should be able to keep it, maybe suspend it for 6 months or something but not take it away completely
I'd agree to an extent, but the lack of holster is what changed my mind. The weapon needs to be secure and in a jacket pocket is not secure in my opinion. Maybe he had a holster and took it out because it is not comfortable to sit with or something - to me that is not an excuse.

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If there's no holster, the gun isn't secure. Take his CHL away IMO, and fine the dipshit if possible. He's putting citizens at risk, as he's already proven.

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According to an "insider" comment, the group muttered about a firecracker going off and tried to leave.

That aggravates me more than anything else, if true. They tried to pass it off as no big deal and leave without taking any responsibility that it occurred.

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I see, I see.

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