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Is "High End" A State Of Mind ?

so I bought a Kimber off the board (Pro Carry 2)...

I have read the reviews and heard the hype, blah blah blah...

this past weekend I take it out for a test drive...

HOLY SHIT!!!

I do not have the technical expertise to explain why, but man oh man, this thing was by far the best feeling .45 I have ever had the pleasure of shooting. I have always owned Taurus, and 1 Springfield. Both shot excellent and I will own more of them. Something about this Kimber was exceptional...

my question is this: Is it all in my head based on the hype ? Does the propaganda make people pay a higher price and think they are getting a better gun ?

I am in no way, shape, or form complaining. Kimber rocks!!!
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post #2 of 38 (permalink) Old 11-26-2009, 07:37 AM
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I bought a brand new Kimber Pro TLE/RL II back in January and finally shot it at the river camp out in July. It was throwing brass straight back at me, and I was disappointed, so I stopped at about 50 rounds.

I was told that there is a 500 round break in period, but I haven't reached it yet.

But I really love the gun.
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don't get me wrong the guns are of the best quaility. But to me a bit pricey for my carry piece. Mostly should something happen to it while I wait the courts out I won't feel so bad about replacing it. That said I would love to get a desert warrior to replace my 1911 Taurus. They are really nice guns. In this case I do think you get your moneys worth. Though I need to test a side by side of the carry Kimber to a RIA or Citadel. Dam Citadel made my p145, pt111 and Taurus 1911 look like ass at the range on paper. Most 45's I know of say up to 500 round break in. Guess that is the 45 for you.
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For me, it's all about what fits your hand, and what you feel most comfortable with.

My best shooters by far have been the CZ75, and the CZ 52 and an old Rossi .357 mag.. These are worlds apart as far as looks and feel, but for some reason, I am more accurate with these.

The wife has a Taurus 9MM, and I hate it as far as hitting paper. But then again I did not like my Springfield 1911 either.



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Its not all hype most will shoot more accurately than your everyday Colt or Springfield or other make but all of those have higher end models that are just as good for around the same money. That being said I really like mine but unless I get a smoking deal on one my next one will be a Nighthawk Custom or a Fusion custom.
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Short of a legit Colt that's been tricked out to the moon and back, a Kimber is a close second behind only Wilson Combat, and only second because you get what you pay for from both companies. Kimber is by far the best gun for the money, though.

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high end is not a state of mind... it's a state of fit and craftsmanship... Kimbers are on the low side of the "high end" 1911's... I can't imagine what a $3-4k tweaked to the gills 1911 must feel like!
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1911s ergonomics don't fit my hand. I have one but it's not my favorite pistol.

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high end is not a state of mind... it's a state of fit and craftsmanship... Kimbers are on the low side of the "high end" 1911's... I can't imagine what a $3-4k tweaked to the gills 1911 must feel like!
I have a customer who machines and builds custom 1911 pistols. he says the Kimbers are fine guns, but they're over priced for what they are.

I have never shot a Kimber, but I have really had my eye on the Ultra Carry for a long time.

I carry a HK p2000, and I have loved every HK or Sig I have fired. I just dont see the advantage the "high end" pistols have over a Glock. I do not own a Glock, but I have owned a couple. They're accurate, dependable, and last forever. What more do you want from a gun?
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it's kinda like ferrari vs. corvette... the corvette may do it all for less money, but there's a certain something about the ferrari that's hard to argue with. that's my take on the boutique 1911's
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i should just take my 10mm colt 1911 and blow this thread away


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Call me a purist, but nothing shoots like my Colt 1911. As far as 1911s I have shot the bottom of the barrel Bersa Llama to the Kimber, and IMO nothing compares. To add to Forrests comparison, its like the old car that lacks the luster, but still has the reliability.
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I carry a Kimber UC II daily and can tell you it is not a state of mind. I agree that money for money Kimber makes the best 1911 out there.
I would not agree that Wilson is the best, but Kimber and Wilson are both excellent guns.
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i should just take my 10mm colt 1911 and blow this thread away


Target for target I'll take that gamble against my lowly .40 Glock.


It really doesn't matter what you spend, in the long run it's all about shooting accurately.

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Target for target I'll take that gamble against my lowly .40 Glock.


It really doesn't matter what you spend, in the long run it's all about shooting accurately.
You remember the Magic Bullet Theory for Kennedy's assassination? New evidence suggests he was shot with a single 10mm round from a Delta Elite.


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You remember the Magic Bullet Theory for Kennedy's assassination? New evidence suggests he was shot with a single 10mm round from a Delta Elite.
Either that or Chuck Norris was staring at Kennedy's head......
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Target for target I'll take that gamble against my lowly .40 Glock.


It really doesn't matter what you spend, in the long run it's all about shooting accurately.
some guns are more accurate than others
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A gun shop up here in Denton got a shipment of 10 Kimbers in a couple months ago. 5 out of the 10 wouldn't even fire right out of the packages. Kimbers look good, but their quality is slipping. I'm looking to try the Para 1911's out next.

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John Westley (blue302stang) bought a Para and the thing jammed every other round... once Kimber sent him a new slide release, his Kimber has been a dream IIRC
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I shot the evil one's Kimber a few years ago and liked it. I'm pretty sure it is a basic full size. I still like my HK USP .40 better than anything else I've shot.
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John Westley (blue302stang) bought a Para and the thing jammed every other round... once Kimber sent him a new slide release, his Kimber has been a dream IIRC
So Kimber parts on a Para? Do explain.

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So Kimber parts on a Para? Do explain.
bought a Para, it was junk... got a Kimber, had teething issues, and it's been perfect since
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too many MIM parts in kimbers for me.

to 03: an extractor doesnt require a break in period. either find someone local to tune the extractor or send it back to kimber.

on the subject of slide stops/releases, however you prefer to refer to them, 5 minutes and a file will solve all of your problems, been there done that.

its all personal preference, give me a stripped down govt with GI sights and i'll feel just as comfortable as if i had a tricked out special combat govt.

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yeah, I was going to tweak the release on mine, but I decided to just leave it factory as the pistol was unfired... I wanted to leave it box stock

the difference between Kimber and your higher priced 1911's is the higher end companies do all those tricks for you... Kimber being the lower end of the "high end" will roll the dice and just take care of the guns that happen to have an issue
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I own a number or 1911's My absolute favorite to shoot is my series 70 gold cup Colt It shoots better and smoother than any of my Kimbers

I have handled many of the true custom pistols Nighthawk, Willson, Clark....

There is a difference between a true custom and the production guns is huge In terms of new production stuff Kimber is probably still one of the best production guns available with springfield coming in second depending on the model

My TLE II is great had a pair should have kept the second one
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John Westley (blue302stang) bought a Para and the thing jammed every other round... once Kimber sent him a new slide release, his Kimber has been a dream IIRC
Originally i bought a para warthog since i loved the double stack 10+1 design in such a small package. First trip out to the range and i was plagued with nothing but FTE's and FTF's. I ended up getting the kimber UCII and besides the slide release problem that is common on kimbers i have not had a single jam or hiccup in the 1000+ rounds i have put through it. I have some pretty big hands and surprisingly the small package of the UC fit me really well and has an incredibly solid feel to it. If i had to spend the money over again i would go with another kimber hands down.

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Originally i bought a para warthog since i loved the double stack 10+1 design in such a small package. First trip out to the range and i was plagued with nothing but FTE's and FTF's. I ended up getting the kimber UCII and besides the slide release problem that is common on kimbers i have not had a single jam or hiccup in the 1000+ rounds i have put through it. I have some pretty big hands and surprisingly the small package of the UC fit me really well and has an incredibly solid feel to it. If i had to spend the money over again i would go with another kimber hands down.
I had a warthog for a couple weeks. I bought it on sight as I thought it was such a cool looking gun. That thing was a pile of shit. I couldn't get 4 rounds through it without it jamming.
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Any one a Les Baer fan? I have a friend that has had several and I've enjoyed shooting them.

I'd like to add a SA 1911 to my collection some day...

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I do not have the technical expertise to explain why, but man oh man, this thing was by far the best feeling .45 I have ever had the pleasure of shooting.
Kind of the same thing as trying to explain the fluffy fru frus experienced when shooting a XD .45 compared to a Beretta 96 with the XD being a Bimmer and the Beretta being a farm truck...

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I bought a brand new Kimber Pro TLE/RL II back in January and finally shot it at the river camp out in July. It was throwing brass straight back at me, and I was disappointed, so I stopped at about 50 rounds.

I was told that there is a 500 round break in period, but I haven't reached it yet.

But I really love the gun.
The paperwork on my Gold Match .45 says 800 for a complete break-in. I've shot ≈ 500 rnds through it now and haven't experienced as FTL in the last 150 rnds.

Great hand gun, very accurate, feels great in the hand, but it does throw the brass hard. Not at me but it will pepper the next lane or two when at the range.


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The paperwork on my Gold Match .45 says 800 for a complete break-in. I've shot ≈ 500 rnds through it now and haven't experienced as FTL in the last 150 rnds.

Great hand gun, very accurate, feels great in the hand, but it does throw the brass hard. Not at me but it will pepper the next lane or two when at the range.


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My CDP does that but not as bad as my series 80 Colt in .38 Super it throws a foot or so farther.
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