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Ex-soldier faces jail for handing in gun

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Ex-soldier faces jail for handing in gun
Saturday, November 14, 2009, 12:15
A former soldier who handed a discarded shotgun in to police faces at least five years imprisonment for "doing his duty".

Paul Clarke, 27, was found guilty of possessing a firearm at Guildford Crown Court on Tuesday – after finding the gun and handing it personally to police officers on March 20 this year.

The jury took 20 minutes to make its conviction, and Mr Clarke now faces a minimum of five year's imprisonment for handing in the weapon.

In a statement read out in court, Mr Clarke said: "I didn't think for one moment I would be arrested.

"I thought it was my duty to hand it in and get it off the streets."

The court heard how Mr Clarke was on the balcony of his home in Nailsworth Crescent, Merstham, when he spotted a black bin liner at the bottom of his garden.

In his statement, he said: "I took it indoors and inside found a shorn-off shotgun and two cartridges.

"I didn't know what to do, so the next morning I rang the Chief Superintendent, Adrian Harper, and asked if I could pop in and see him.

"At the police station, I took the gun out of the bag and placed it on the table so it was pointing towards the wall."

Mr Clarke was then arrested immediately for possession of a firearm at Reigate police station, and taken to the cells.

Defending, Lionel Blackman told the jury Mr Clarke's garden backs onto a public green field, and his garden wall is significantly lower than his neighbours.

He also showed jurors a leaflet printed by Surrey Police explaining to citizens what they can do at a police station, which included "reporting found firearms".

Quizzing officer Garnett, who arrested Mr Clarke, he asked: "Are you aware of any notice issued by Surrey Police, or any publicity given to, telling citizens that if they find a firearm the only thing they should do is not touch it, report it by telephone, and not take it into a police station?"

To which, Mr Garnett replied: "No, I don't believe so."

Prosecuting, Brian Stalk, explained to the jury that possession of a firearm was a "strict liability" charge – therefore Mr Clarke's allegedly honest intent was irrelevant.

Just by having the gun in his possession he was guilty of the charge, and has no defence in law against it, he added.

But despite this, Mr Blackman urged members of the jury to consider how they would respond if they found a gun.

He said: "This is a very small case with a very big principle.

"You could be walking to a railway station on the way to work and find a firearm in a bin in the park.

"Is it unreasonable to take it to the police station?"

Paul Clarke will be sentenced on December 11.

Judge Christopher Critchlow said: "This is an unusual case, but in law there is no dispute that Mr Clarke has no defence to this charge.

"The intention of anybody possessing a firearm is irrelevant."

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Jezus krist!

This shit has gotten waaaaayy outta control!

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Gee that is really f-in smart. Remind me why people think europe is so enlightened?
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Gee that is really f-in smart. Remind me why people think europe is so enlightened?
Spend some time traveling there.... It's just different and IMO since the EU started they are getting retarded now. A lot of places are still pretty cool.

This though, is just stupid.

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Don't laugh. We are headed down that same road. Thank you Liberals.
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Yeah you also cant buy cutlery unless you are 18...

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Gee that is really f-in smart. Remind me why people think europe is so enlightened?
Only Europeans think that.

I saw this and thought about posting is a few days ago. Dont know why I didnt.
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I'm not suprised at all, their entire legal system is out of control. My favorite part is how it is a five year sentence in prison and the prosecutor and judge just mindlessly follow the letter of the law without any consideration at all for how absurd it is. That is what happens when you have people "just doing their job" rather than thinking.

Up until last year the police in the UK thought they could search homes without a warrant:


Why worry about getting shot in the face when no one has a gun except for you?

Another great article about how they can search your home PC or install a keylogger with the only requirement being suspicion...

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boy scouts can't even use knifes in Brintain.
Never would live there, fucking rediculous.

As much as this case is BS, the same thing would happen here if you walked in the police station and layed down a sawed off shotty.
He should have called the police when he found it, as though it makes any real difference....I know.

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