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School me on (Leupold) Optics

I got on their website and there are quite a few different options. Here is my application, any pointers would be appreciated.

Gun: Remington 700 SPS Tactical .308 (20 inch barrel)
Application: Hunting and killing paper to around 100 yards, farther out as my skill and location allows.
Budget: $400 to $500

I am not hung up on Leupold specifically, it is just a common name that I have heard is good quality. Feel free to mention other brands, but Iím not interested in a BSA...

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For the amount you want to spend, and shooting at a somewhat fixed distance, I would look into the SWFA SS scopes. They are distributed exclusively by a Dallas based dealer and have a great reputation. Inexpensive and of a very high quality. Also they have a dial-a-distance knob so you can easily go from 100 to xxx yards without losing zero.
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Another +1 for the SWFA Super Snipers. SWFA is in the metroplex and offer great customer service.

.....and I own a thousand dollar plus Leupold Mark IV scope.
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For the amount you want to spend, and shooting at a somewhat fixed distance, I would look into the SWFA SS scopes. They are distributed exclusively by a Dallas based dealer and have a great reputation. Inexpensive and of a very high quality. Also they have a dial-a-distance knob so you can easily go from 100 to xxx yards without losing zero.
I read Denny's "Another Scope Thread" thread and saw those. The dial-a-distance knob sounds nice, I would like to read more on exactly what it does though. I am guessing it is just special markings on the elevation knob, more or less?

I am a scope newbie, the only optics I have ever purchased were a red dot and a 5x magnifier for my AR.

I like this one but I wonder how 10x would be if a hog came walking up within 40 or 50 yards...
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Leupold is not the same quality their name was built on, but still a nice scope.
I also vote for SWFA, but not necessarily the Super Sniper, not for hunting.
Check samplelist.com

No order, but what choices would include.
Nikon Monarch
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seems to me that with either the Nikon Monarch or Bushnell 4200 you can get the same if not better quality glass as Leupold for 1-200 dollars cheaper.

If you need a new stock for that rifle I can make you a good deal on an HS Precision stock.
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The 3200 series of bushnell is pretty impressive, my dad got a good deal on a couple of them and I was really suprised.
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I would definitely go with a variable for a hunting rifle, 3x9 or 4x10-12 depending on the make. I wouldn't go over 4x on the low side so you can crank it down for close shots. get at least a 40mm objective, 50mm is better, these gather more light at dawn/dusk and have a wider field of view, both of which you will want on a hunting rifle...
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seems to me that with either the Nikon Monarch or Bushnell 4200 you can get the same if not better quality glass as Leupold for 1-200 dollars cheaper.
Link, or model number?

I have owned Leupold's, everything from Tactical MK-4s on my 308 to the VX-7L on my 7mm. I am just not impressed with them, so I now use Nikon. Money for Money there is not a better scope, in my opinion.

I shoot the Nikon Monarch 3.5x10x42 ($409) on my 7-08 and the Nikon Monarch 5-20x44 ($519), and the Nikon Monarch 4x16x50 ($489) on my .7mm. I am interested in seeing a better Leupold for $100-$200 cheaper.

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Link, or model number?

I have owned Leupold's, everything from Tactical MK-4s on my 308 to the VX-7L on my 7mm. I am just not impressed with them, so I now use Nikon. Money for Money there is not a better scope, in my opinion.

I shoot the Nikon Monarch 3.5x10x42 ($409) on my 7-08 and the Nikon Monarch 5-20x44 ($519), and the Nikon Monarch 4x16x50 ($489) on my .7mm. I am interested in seeing a better Leupold for $100-$200 cheaper.
I think he was agreeing with you saying Nikon/Bushnell are cheaper but comparable to Leupold

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I think he was agreeing with you saying Nikon/Bushnell are cheaper but comparable to Leupold
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Re-Read and it appears so. I am freakin retarded that early in the morning...
I do have a Bushnell on my sons 10/22 and it is a decent little scope.
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I got on their website and there are quite a few different options. Here is my application, any pointers would be appreciated.

Gun: Remington 700 SPS Tactical .308 (20 inch barrel)
Application: Hunting and killing paper to around 100 yards, farther out as my skill and location allows.
Budget: $400 to $500

I am not hung up on Leupold specifically, it is just a common name that I have heard is good quality. Feel free to mention other brands, but Iím not interested in a BSA...
I'd recommend a Nikon Scope.

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Whatever scope you get, make sure to either have a gunsmith mount it or mount it properly. Putting a scope on a distance shooter is not a simple matter.


I bought this kit to put a scope on my Kimber, and it is a great shooter-
http://www.keenzo.com/showproduct.as...127&ID=3568273


The kit makes sure you dont over torque anything (comes with a nice gunsmithing torque wrench) and dent your tube. Also comes with everything you need to lap your rings. A bonus in the cross hair leveler and alignment bars. Some may scoff at this, but for long distances it really is important to have a properly mounted scope.
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Whatever scope you get, make sure to either have a gunsmith mount it or mount it properly. Putting a scope on a distance shooter is not a simple matter.


I bought this kit to put a scope on my Kimber, and it is a great shooter-
http://www.keenzo.com/showproduct.as...127&ID=3568273


The kit makes sure you dont over torque anything (comes with a nice gunsmithing torque wrench) and dent your tube. Also comes with everything you need to lap your rings. A bonus in the cross hair leveler and alignment bars. Some may scoff at this, but for long distances it really is important to have a properly mounted scope.
True dat....my dad's got a 7mm that will reach out there! I've got a .308 for hunting, but I'm considering mounting different glass on top for some long distance type stuff. Eventually.

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That's cool to see all the love for the Nikon Monarch

That's what I chose to put on my Remington 700 SPS in .308. I looked through the Monarch, a little more expensive Leupold, a Zeiss and a really expensive Leupold right there in Academy and chose the Monarch. I thought the glass offered the best bang for the buck view and was intrigued by the Bullet Drop Compensator reticle. The gunsmith that mounted it to the rifle @ Academy said you can use the BDC as a rangefinder on a deer. That afternoon, I sighted it in @ 50yds, then gut shot a prairie dog silhouette target @ 200yds by using the crosshairs and not the BDC...that pretty much concludes all the hunting that rifle has seen

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That's cool to see all the love for the Nikon Monarch

That's what I chose to put on my Remington 700 SPS in .308. I looked through the Monarch, a little more expensive Leupold, a Zeiss and a really expensive Leupold right there in Academy and chose the Monarch. I thought the glass offered the best bang for the buck view and was intrigued by the Bullet Drop Compensator reticle. The gunsmith that mounted it to the rifle @ Academy said you can use the BDC as a rangefinder on a deer. That afternoon, I sighted it in @ 50yds, then gut shot a prairie dog silhouette target @ 200yds by using the crosshairs and not the BDC...that pretty much concludes all the hunting that rifle has seen

w00t for Monarch scopes!
I am now leaning towards a Monarch, but I am going to check a couple different brands out this weekend in person. The Monarchs I am ooking at are (SWFA Prices)
2.5-10X50 $469.95
3-12 X42 $419.95
2.5-10X42 $399.95
4-16X50 $498.95


Is the BDC recticle customized to the caliber or load that you shoot beyond regular and Magnum? I don't know anything about balistics, but I would imagine a .223 would fall differently than .308 at a given yardage.

Wouldn't a mil dot recticle give you something similar to a BDC? I am leaning towards the Duplex/Nikoplex recticle, although BDC and Mil-dot are options.

Is recticle more of just a personal preference deal?

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Most of the bullet drop reticles are for generic rounds with a given grain weight bullet.
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bdc are nice if you only shoot one load and it is setup correctly for that load. I had 1 scope with it and missed a close shot cause I forgot to crank it back down from 300 yds to 100 yds; I don't care much for them anymore...
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i had the same rifle with a 1 peice remington rail.bushnell 6-18x50 and had 1/4" groups at 200 yrds everytime.with factory winchester 147gr. fmj ammo.

absolutely the most accurate rifle i have ever owned.

scope was under $200.

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In my scope's paperwork, it stated that the BDC sites were for smaller rounds like .308 and the magnum rounds. The first BDC hole/sight would be for 200 yds for a .308 and 300yds out for something like a 300 Win-Mag. 2nd BDC hole/sight would be for 400yds with the .308 rounds and 600yds for the Mag's.

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I am now leaning towards a Monarch, but I am going to check a couple different brands out this weekend in person. The Monarchs I am ooking at are (SWFA Prices)
2.5-10X50 $469.95
3-12 X42 $419.95
2.5-10X42 $399.95
4-16X50 $498.95


Is the BDC recticle customized to the caliber or load that you shoot beyond regular and Magnum? I don't know anything about balistics, but I would imagine a .223 would fall differently than .308 at a given yardage.

Wouldn't a mil dot recticle give you something similar to a BDC? I am leaning towards the Duplex/Nikoplex recticle, although BDC and Mil-dot are options.

Is recticle more of just a personal preference deal?
When I got my Nikon, I chose to get the MilDot. If you know the math, you can look through your scope and figure out the range. At that point, you can adjust the dope of the elevation of the scope for your bullet drop. (You'll have to know the bullet drop per 100 yards to use this method).

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When I got my Nikon, I chose to get the MilDot. If you know the math, you can look through your scope and figure out the range. At that point, you can adjust the dope of the elevation of the scope for your bullet drop. (You'll have to know the bullet drop per 100 yards to use this method).
Is this some lingo I don't know or a typo?

I noticed the scope I am looking at doesn't have an adjustable parallax setting. Is that something I should be looking for. I have about settled on this one with the Mildot recticle.

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Is this some lingo I don't know or a typo?

I noticed the scope I am looking at doesn't have an adjustable parallax setting. Is that something I should be looking for. I have about settled on this one with the Mildot recticle.

http://swfa.com/Nikon-25-10x42-Monar...pe-P42335.aspx
May check out this one for your application.


8426, Matte finish, Niko Plex reticle, 1" tube, side focus, includes 3 sets of interchangeable turrets, sunshade, flip up lens covers, finger adjustable 1/8moa windage and elevation, like new, factory reconditioned
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And Talley one piece:
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May check out this one for your application.


8426, Matte finish, Niko Plex reticle, 1" tube, side focus, includes 3 sets of interchangeable turrets, sunshade, flip up lens covers, finger adjustable 1/8moa windage and elevation, like new, factory reconditioned
List $904.00 SWFA Price $429.95
So tempted to order that and be done with it...and now I get what "the sample list is. At first I though it was like a classifieds section...what a tard.

Looks like a good deal, the new one goes for $630 on their website, only thing is the 6x on the low side, not sure that would be the best for hunting.

I love that scope though...hmmm

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So tempted to order that and be done with it...and now I get what "the sample list is. At first I though it was like a classifieds section...what a tard.

Looks like a good deal, the new one goes for $630 on their website, only thing is the 6x on the low side, not sure that would be the best for hunting.

I love that scope though...hmmm
It all depends on how far you plan on hunting. I have a 2.5-10 and never crank mine below 6-7 at 150-175 yards.
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Here is what it will look like.
Only difference is mine is 5x20
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Here is what it will look like.
Only difference is mine is 5x20
Nice.
That's a lot of tube hanging off the front of that mount. Is it not bothered by recoil?


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First of all, thank all of you guys for your help. I know the newbie questions get old.

Being new to scopes, rifles, and hunting in general I am going to go with the Nikon Monarch 4-16x50. For $379.95 it will be a great "starter" scope.

The 6-24 would be perfect once I get to shoot longer, but since I am probably not going to be taking any real long (> 200) shots any time soon and the smaller one will allow me to "crank it down" for something that may walk up close. I think the 50mm will let in more light for the dusk and possible night hog hunting, although I may get a sunshade for the daytime and range shooting.

Thanks for teh edumacation, now I have to find rings and a base(s)!

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That's a lot of tube hanging off the front of that mount. Is it not bothered by recoil?


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And I second that, your setup is really freakin nice!

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That's a lot of tube hanging off the front of that mount. Is it not bothered by recoil?


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I had to have it that far up to clear the front of the scope. Never had an issue with it holding zero. I went with the Talley one piece mount/rings a little higher and it is now centered.
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Thanks for teh edumacation, now I have to find rings and a base(s)!
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And I second that, your setup is really freakin nice!

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Is this some lingo I don't know or a typo?

I noticed the scope I am looking at doesn't have an adjustable parallax setting. Is that something I should be looking for. I have about settled on this one with the Mildot recticle.

http://swfa.com/Nikon-25-10x42-Monar...pe-P42335.aspx
You can dial in a scope if you know the range. If the Range is 400 yards and your bullet drop is 8 inches, dial the elevation 8 inches and you should be on target.

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make sure this is taller than the Leupold Std. rings or your bolt won't clear your eyepiece lens cover.

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You'll be quite satisfied with that setup. I was running almost the identical setup. SPS-tactical but had a slightly older 5.5-16.5 monarch instead of the 4-16. Now i've got a Bushnell 4200 on it and to be honest it doesn't seem much clearer but I like having the lower power for deer hunting.

If I were to buy a new scope though I'd be sure to get a Mil-Dot reticle. If you can read up on them you can do amazing things with them. Range finding and taking care of bullet drop.

Since you saved a bunch of money not going leupold let me know if you want to upgrade your stock on that rifle I'm in fort worth.
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