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post #1 of 36 (permalink) Old 10-15-2009, 04:51 AM Thread Starter
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Another scope thread...

I've always been a fan of Leupold scopes, but recently I obtained a Remington 7400 (.308), autoloading centerfire rifle with a gas metered operating system, blah, blah, blah. On it was a Swarovski 3-12x56 FFP 30mm tube Habicht Nova Z6.

I must say that I can tell a BIG difference in the quality of optics from what I'm used to.







Sorry for the crappy pics. The "good" camera took a milk bath

Anyone have any experience using a Swarovski?
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Yes thats true there is a major difference in optics, but Leupold has a model that will match Swarovski. You just may have had a lower level Leupold in comparison.

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Swarovskis are nice glass. My dad has some no name 3-9x-40mm scope on his M1 Carbine (yeah, I know) that sucks major donkey dick compared to my Burris Fullfield II with the same magnification and objective size.

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Yes thats true there is a major difference in optics, but Leupold has a model that will match Swarovski. You just may have had a lower level Leupold in comparison.
My last one was a Leupold VX-III 4.5x14x50 30mm Tube. Not too shabby of an optic option.
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They are very nice and gather alot of light. Another one that is pretty comparable at a lower price is Ziess.
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I have a Vari-X III on my AR, and I hate it.
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I have a Vari-X III on my AR, and I hate it.
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Hell the scope is probally worth more than the gun is.
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Speaking of scopes.... anyone know a local supplier for Russian POSP scopes in 7.62X54R for Druganovs? I need one......
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Speaking of scopes.... anyone know a local supplier for Russian POSP scopes in 7.62X54R for Druganovs? I need one......
Cheaper than Dirt and Military Gun Supply should both have those.

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Hell the scope is probally worth more than the gun is.
Well... ya. Try to find this used scope under a grand.
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I have a Vari-X III on my AR, and I hate it.
I will take! I'm sure we can work a deal. lol's I think its the eye relief and we need to get together and make some adjustments.

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I will take! I'm sure we can work a deal. lol's I think its the eye relief and we need to get together and make some adjustments.
He has it mounted a bit too low IMO too. I am sure that has alot to do with it.
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anyone look for scopes pm Leupold on here. he works for swfa and can get you the hookup. or call swfa ask for brady and tell him jewozzy sent you.
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I've always been a fan of Leupold scopes, but recently I obtained a Remington 7400 (.308), autoloading centerfire rifle with a gas metered operating system, blah, blah, blah. On it was a Swarovski 3-12x56 FFP 30mm tube Habicht Nova Z6.

I must say that I can tell a BIG difference in the quality of optics from what I'm used to.

Sorry for the crappy pics. The "good" camera took a milk bath

Anyone have any experience using a Swarovski?
It's not a Z6 it's just a Habicht Nova. The professional hunter replaced the Nova and the current Z6 has replaced the Professional Hunter.

If you want to get an age for it add 30 to the first two numbers of the serial number, that's the manufactured date.

We sold two of those exact same scopes on our www.samplelist.com site for $750.

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Yes thats true there is a major difference in optics, but Leupold has a model that will match Swarovski. You just may have had a lower level Leupold in comparison.
Close but it cost over $1,500 and people are crazy to spend that for a Leupold when Swarovski is close to the same price.
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Close but it cost over $1,500 and people are crazy to spend that for a Leupold when Swarovski is close to the same price.
People are not crazy for spending it if thats what it actually costs. Would you or I do spend that amount, not in this lifetime. Where people get into trouble is buying something on the fly without shopping around for the best value. Do you think that Swarovski is the best scope maker? They are known most for their crystal glassware...

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People are not crazy for spending it if thats what it actually costs. Would you or I do spend that amount, not in this lifetime. Where people get into trouble is buying something on the fly without shopping around for the best value. Do you think that Swarovski is the best scope maker? They are known most for their crystal glassware...
i think he's saying they are crazy for buying an inferior product for the same price.
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i think he's saying they are crazy for buying an inferior product for the same price.
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Close but it cost over $1,500 and people are crazy to spend that for a Leupold when Swarovski is close to the same price.
said by a guy that is named after leupold scopes.
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Glass quality is important, but there are some other things to consider, namely features and durability. I like Leupold's M1 knobs on its LR/T scopes. Anyone trying to make mil-dot range estimations without 1/4moa adjustment increments is crazy.

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Glass quality is important, but there are some other things to consider, namely features and durability. I like Leupold's M1 knobs on its LR/T scopes. Anyone trying to make mil-dot range estimations without 1/4moa adjustment increments is crazy.

I do often, it's pretty easy to do if it's dialed in correctly at 100 yards. I can do it out to about 400 yards, but outside of that you really cant in my opinon, too much variable.
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said by a guy that is named after leupold scopes.
Yea yea, I initially made my account from looking at something random laying on my desk.. which was a Leupold scope.

Was waiting for someone to mention that. I'm by no means a leupold fan.
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Yea yea, I initially made my account from looking at something random laying on my desk.. which was a Leupold scope.

Was waiting for someone to mention that. I'm by no means a leupold fan.
What do you think of U.S. Optics?
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Yea yea, I initially made my account from looking at something random laying on my desk.. which was a Leupold scope.

Was waiting for someone to mention that. I'm by no means a leupold fan.
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People are not crazy for spending it if thats what it actually costs.
All Leupold scopes are for sure overpriced. Leupold is the most marketed company in the optic business by far. Something you pay for when you buy the scope So yea people are crazy/uneducated for buying a 1500 Leupold scope


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Would you or I do spend that amount, not in this lifetime.
I just borrow one off our shelf.

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Do you think that Swarovski is the best scope maker? They are known most for their crystal glassware...

No scope maker is the "best" scope maker. There are many different brands and two major categories of scopes that no one scope maker excels at in both.

Tactical Rifle scopes and Hunting Rifle scopes.

Yes Swarovski is the BEST hunting scope you can get, but tactical riflescopes are a whole nother ballpark of scopes that Swarovski doesn't have a leg to stand on in.

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I saw the scope first...
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What do you think of U.S. Optics?
Considered one of the best "tactical scopes" to get.

Along With Nightforce, Schmidt&Bender, Leupold Mark4, IOR, Zeiss Hensoldt, and the new Vortex HD tactical. They're all in the same conversation.
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All Leupold scopes are for sure overpriced. Leupold is the most marketed company in the optic business by far. Something you pay for when you buy the scope So yea people are crazy/uneducated for buying a 1500 Leupold scope




I just borrow one off our shelf.




No scope maker is the "best" scope maker. There are many different brands and two major categories of scopes that no one scope maker excels at in both.

Tactical Rifle scopes and Hunting Rifle scopes.

Yes Swarovski is the BEST hunting scope you can get, but tactical riflescopes are a whole nother ballpark of scopes that Swarovski doesn't have a leg to stand on in.

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To each his own. I am satisfied with either Leupold or my Burris. They are American made scope brands keeping Americans at work. I don't make a living by shooting other different brands of scopes. Or need to brag about having one on the shelf. I bring meat to my table every year and thats all that matters to me.

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It's not a Z6 it's just a Habicht Nova. The professional hunter replaced the Nova and the current Z6 has replaced the Professional Hunter.

If you want to get an age for it add 30 to the first two numbers of the serial number, that's the manufactured date.

We sold two of those exact same scopes on our www.samplelist.com site for $750.

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Thanks for the info! I just went off of what the guy that was looking it over with me said.
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Yes Swarovski is the BEST hunting scope you can get, but tactical riflescopes are a whole nother ballpark of scopes that Swarovski doesn't have a leg to stand on in.

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I like Zeiss glass a lot more.

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Cheaper than Dirt and Military Gun Supply should both have those.
Sadly neither has them. I've been in both and asked. MGS says sometimes they do.... and most of the time they don't. They wanted me to buy an old 3X Zeiss WWII scope for my rifle....

Of course I installed a scope mount for a POSP scope on my rifle because that's how I want to go.
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Swarovski is excellent scope, but they are spendy. 3-12x is a good general hunting scope. 3x is not bad for close up hunting in woods, and the 12x should be good for deer and hog out to 400 yards or more.

Swarovski, Zeiss, Kahles, and Schmidt & Bender are top of the line European manufacturers. Zeiss has a more affordable Conquest line of scopes as well.

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Sadly neither has them. I've been in both and asked. MGS says sometimes they do.... and most of the time they don't. They wanted me to buy an old 3X Zeiss WWII scope for my rifle....

Of course I installed a scope mount for a POSP scope on my rifle because that's how I want to go.
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http://www.opticsbestbuy.com/POSP-Sc...l?feed=Froogle

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Yep I know about those sites. All of them dropship directly from Russia. I'm not sure I want to send that much money over seas, but I might anyway. I did get the rail mount for the scope from www.eastwave.ca. I couldn't read the return address but it was exactly what I ordered.
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