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post #1 of 6 (permalink) Old 10-12-2009, 07:56 PM Thread Starter
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AB962 signed...

...in CA. Ah-nold didn't veto it.

Sux to be in California.

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To the Members of the California State Assembly:
I am signing Assembly Bill 962.
This measure would require vendors of handgun ammunition to keep a log of information on
handgun ammunition sales, store ammunition in a safe and secure manner, and require the faceto-
face transfer of ammunition sales.
Although I have previously vetoed legislation similar to this measure, local governments have
demonstrated that requiring ammunition vendors to keep records on ammunition sales improves
public safety. These records have allowed law enforcement to arrest and prosecute persons who
have no business possessing firearms and ammunition: gang members, violent parolees, second
and third strikers, and even people previously serving time in state prison for murder. Utilized
properly, this type of information is invaluable for keeping communities safe and preventing
dangerous felons from committing crimes with firearms.
Moreover, this type of recordkeeping is no more intrusive for law abiding citizens than similar
laws governing pawnshops or the sale of cold medicine. Unfortunately, even the most successful
local program is flawed; without a statewide law, felons can easily skirt the record keeping
requirements of one city by visiting another. Assembly Bill 962 will fix this problem by
mandating that all ammunition vendors in the state keep records on ammunition sales.
As Governor, I have sought the appropriate balance between public safety and the right to keep
and bear arms. I have signed important public safety measures to regulate the sale and transfer
of .50 caliber rifles, instituted the California Firearms License Check program, and promoted the
use of microstamping technology in handguns. I have also vetoed many pieces of legislation that
sought to place unreasonable restrictions and burdens on firearms dealers and ammunition
vendors. Assembly Bill 962 reasonably regulates access to ammunition and improves public
safety without placing undue burdens on consumers.
For these reasons, I am pleased to sign this bill.
Sincerely,
Arnold Schwarzenegger
http://gov.ca.gov/pdf/press/2009bill...ng_Message.pdf

http://gov.ca.gov/press-release/13575/

In a nutshell:
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"The California legislature has passed AB962. It is now up to the Governor to veto this bill or let it pass.

This bill mandates the following changes in the way you buy ammunition:

1) It will prohibit the sale of ammo in a manner that allows the ammunition to be accessible without the help of an employee. In other words, youíll have to stand in line and have to wait to be shown the ammunition you may want to purchase.
2) It will require the dealer to ask for you ID each time you buy handgun ammunition and the dealer will record the following personal information:
a. A thumbprint
b. Your CDL #
c. Your home address and telephone number
d. The brand and type of ammunition that you purchased
e. Your date of birth
3) Additionally, it would be illegal to buy ammo via online or mail order methods, so if a local store canít find you older, hard-to-get or obsolete ammunition, you wonít be able to get it via the internet.

Also the bill makes it a crime for anyone who is not a registered ammunition seller to transfer (give) or sell more than 50 rounds total per month, so if I want to take a few friends to the range and give them each a box of rounds Iím now a criminal.

This bill will drive up prices, make criminal the regular activities of law abiding citizens, and further stimulate the black market in ammunition which is the source for gang bangers and criminals."
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/th...opic_id=968978

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post #2 of 6 (permalink) Old 10-12-2009, 08:19 PM
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Your nutshell seems to have some misinformation or is referencing an earlier verison of the bill.

There is no mention of the 50 round limit or the "friends at the range scenerio" in the final bill. The text only deals with those selling ammunition (the definition of Vendor).

Edit - I see where they limit it to face to face only.

Maybe i missed it, but the signed version of the bill doesn't include some the "heated" items.


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As for the recording of data, I'm 50/50 on it. They already record what types of weapons I buy anyway (new).

As always, it's what you do with the information that makes the difference.

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Maybe i missed it, but the signed version of the bill doesn't include some the "heated" items.

As for the recording of data, I'm 50/50 on it. They already record what types of weapons I buy anyway (new).

As always, it's what you do with the information that makes the difference.
Quote:
(3) Commencing February 1, 2011, a vendor shall not sell or
otherwise transfer ownership of any handgun ammunition without, at
the time of delivery, legibly recording the following information:
(A) The date of the sale or other transaction.
(B) The purchaser's or transferee's driver's license or other
identification number and the state in which it was issued.
(C) The brand, type, and amount of ammunition sold or otherwise
transferred.
(D) The purchaser's or transferee's signature.
(E) The name of the salesperson who processed the sale or other
transaction.
(F) The right thumbprint of the purchaser or transferee on the
above form.
(G) The purchaser's or transferee's full residential address and
telephone number.
(H) The purchaser's or transferee's date of birth.
Quote:
12318. (a) Commencing February 1, 2011, the delivery or
transfer of ownership of handgun ammunition may only occur in
a face-to-face transaction with the deliverer or transferor being
provided bona fide evidence of identity from the purchaser or other
transferee. A violation of this section is a misdemeanor.
http://leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill...1_enrolled.pdf

I see Section 5 being the sticky point when giving someone ammo.

Further, the "nut shell pre-dates the signing, so the author refereed the introduced version:
Quote:
This bill would require that commencing July 1, 2010, unless
specifically excluded, no person shall sell or transfer more than 50
rounds of handgun ammunition in any month unless he or she is
registered as a handgun ammunition vendor, as defined.
Either way, the whole thing stinks in my opinion. Making more difficult for people to buy and business to sell.

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Shit hole state anyways. Fuck them
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Shit hole state anyways. Fuck them
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This problem could grow though, and that is the really scary part.
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