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Why I will NEVER buy a Rem. 700

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf9zZqn00CA


I never liked them to begin with, but this video disgusted me.

I also do not like the crappy push feed (controlled feed can be had in rifles at similar prices), shitty hook extractor in place of a superior mauser style claw, lack of a 3 pos safety, and a damn near 90 degree bolt throw.
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That is why my dad bought a Savage. He said that action and quality was not there anymore like the Rem 700's he had back in the 1970's.
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That is why my dad bought a Savage. He said that action and quality was not there anymore like the Rem 700's he had back in the 1970's.
Kinda funny, Savage seems to be going up in quality while Remington is going down.
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What are your thoughts on Tikka's? I almost bought a Tikka T3 in .270, but got another pistol instead. I like that they are a Beretta product, but are real similar in frame design to the Remi's.

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What are your thoughts on Tikka's? I almost bought a Tikka T3 in .270, but got another pistol instead. I like that they are a Beretta product, but are real similar in frame design to the Remi's.
I have never shot a tikka, but I just dont like push feed stuff. For the money there are to many rifles out there that have a controlled feed and a claw (versus a dinky hook) extractor.

Try looking at Ruger M77s or the model 70 classics
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Try looking at Ruger M77s or the model 70 classics
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You should see a Savage under a borescope before you draw your conclusions. I've found that most of the factory barrels have rather poor machining. Remember, he is comparing a barrel which was extruded, honed, and rifled on a lathe in a span of 30 minutes, and never had anything but a deburrer run through it - to a hand made/machined match barrel which was hand polished. Although the surfaces are rough, he makes note to show you a barrel that has never been fired - see that barrel after 20 rounds and you might find his case a little weaker.

that's poor machining, not pool machining.

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There was an episode of American Rifleman on the outdoor channel this week that was about FN making model 70's now. I looked but there wasn't anything on their website.
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You should see a Savage under a borescope before you draw your conclusions. I've found that most of the factory barrels have rather pool machining. Remember, he is comparing a barrel which was extruded, honed, and rifled on a lathe in a span of 30 minutes, and never had anything but a deburrer run through it - to a hand made/machined match barrel which was hand polished. Although the surfaces are rough, he makes note to show you a barrel that has never been fired - see that barrel after 20 rounds and you might find his case a little weaker.
Ah, I would like to see the difference after a good break in.

But for the meantime im still going to be stubborn and pout.
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Go to winchesterguns.com browning bought the company name.
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speaking of savages.i just bought a new 93 fv .22 mag.dialed it all in and im getting 10 rounds inside a dime.im happy as can be with the savage .22 mag.

next is the 10fp in .308

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I'm pretty sure Remington has some wrongful death suits against them for the safety on the M700's. That flimsiness has always made me shy away from them.

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I'm pretty sure Remington has some wrongful death suits against them for the safety on the M700's. That flimsiness has always made me shy away from them.
Never trust a gun company that doesn't have a wrongful death suit, haha.

I've seen super match M1A's explode like a grenade as well - that stuff does happen. I haven't read up on recent incarnations, but the 700 has a long history of being a good bolt gun in my experience.
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While on the subject who do you guys think has the best out of the box rifle in .308? I've been leaning towards the Remington 700SPS varmint, but would appreciate some imput.

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While on the subject who do you guys think has the best out of the box rifle in .308? I've been leaning towards the Remington 700SPS varmint, but would appreciate some imput.
Kimber.

I also like the CZ550.
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While on the subject who do you guys think has the best out of the box rifle in .308? I've been leaning towards the Remington 700SPS varmint, but would appreciate some imput.
These are straight out of the box Kimbers which all use the Mauser style extractor.




If I were in the market for a .308 this would be first on my list.
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While on the subject who do you guys think has the best out of the box rifle in .308? I've been leaning towards the Remington 700SPS varmint, but would appreciate some imput.
I guess you're interested in bolt guns?
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These are straight out of the box Kimbers which all use the Mauser style extractor.




If I were in the market for a .308 this would be first on my list.
God damn those bolt handles are fugly.


I was thinking more along the lines of the Kimber Superamerica-





Features:

* Free-floated match grade barrel with tapered match grade chamber and target crown.
* Models with walnut or Kevlar/carbon fiber stocks are glass bedded.
* Models with walnut or laminated stocks have machined steel bottom metal with floorplate release inside the trigger guard.
* Receivers are drilled and tapped for Kimber scalloped base sets (sold separately).




Why buy a tacticool gun when you can get a beautiful high quality wooden stocked gun with all the great features? That way you can take it hunting and wont be the guy with the urban commando sniper shooting a doe.


Just my useless $0.02
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God damn those bolt handles are fugly.


I was thinking more along the lines of the Kimber Superamerica-





Features:

* Free-floated match grade barrel with tapered match grade chamber and target crown.
* Models with walnut or Kevlar/carbon fiber stocks are glass bedded.
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Why buy a tacticool gun when you can get a beautiful high quality wooden stocked gun with all the great features? That way you can take it hunting and wont be the guy with the urban commando sniper shooting a doe.


Just my useless $0.02
Well, the tacticool urban commando sniper setup can kill does, and people.
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Well, the tacticool urban commando sniper setup can kill does, and people.
So can the pretty gun. That being said when I think about self defense, a bolt gun never comes to mind.

For us civilian folks, when buying a single shot its good to have hunting in mind. I cant tell you how many times ive been out at deer camp and one of the guy brings his chode-stroker friend who rolls up with an urban commando sniper rifle or ar15, ridiculous gear, a fully loaded mag (wtf?), and a gigantic pistol on his hip. Bothers the hell out of me. Hunting sure has changed since I was a kid.
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God damn those bolt handles are fugly.


I was thinking more along the lines of the Kimber Superamerica-





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Why buy a tacticool gun when you can get a beautiful high quality wooden stocked gun with all the great features? That way you can take it hunting and wont be the guy with the urban commando sniper shooting a doe.


Just my useless $0.02
If I was buying one of the guns I posted it would be for long range comps. My buddy just started shooting 1000 yrds and if I was going to build a long range rig to start shooting with him I would start out with the .308 Kimber platform to build from. SO the "tacticool" would get some use, not shooting at the 50 yard range.

I like the look of the Kimber wood stocked rifles for hunting, and if I were going to shoot a bolt gun when I hunted it would probably be the one I would go for. I hunted with bolt guns for a long time and then went to a T/C Encore Pro Hunter single shot and probably wont ever go back to a bolt gun.
And I use an AR-15 as my brush gun when stalking hogs with a .45 on my hip, and If I walk to the stand I carry my .45.
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These are straight out of the box Kimbers which all use the Mauser style extractor.




If I were in the market for a .308 this would be first on my list.

Those Kimbers are awesome, I'm kind of wanting to stay in the sub 1000 price range since Ill still need optics.

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I guess you're interested in bolt guns?
I am looking for a bolt action CJ, one day I'd love to get ahold to an M1A, but dont really have the cashflow right now, just bought a house. I do have an ar with the model one 20" stainless bull barrel, wish I knew someone who wanted to do some swapping, I could come up with some cash to make an even swap.

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Those Kimbers are awesome, I'm kind of wanting to stay in the sub 1000 price range since Ill still need optics.



I am looking for a bolt action CJ, one day I'd love to get ahold to an M1A, but dont really have the cashflow right now, just bought a house. I do have an ar with the model one 20" stainless bull barrel, wish I knew someone who wanted to do some swapping, I could come up with some cash to make an even swap.
Here you go, CZ-550 Heavy Varmint model in 308 for $575 that has already been beaded


http://www.texashuntingforum.com/for...550_308#UNREAD
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Here you go, CZ-550 Heavy Varmint model in 308 for $575 that has already been beaded


http://www.texashuntingforum.com/for...550_308#UNREAD
Nice! Thanks!

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You should see a Savage under a borescope before you draw your conclusions. I've found that most of the factory barrels have rather poor machining. Remember, he is comparing a barrel which was extruded, honed, and rifled on a lathe in a span of 30 minutes, and never had anything but a deburrer run through it - to a hand made/machined match barrel which was hand polished. Although the surfaces are rough, he makes note to show you a barrel that has never been fired - see that barrel after 20 rounds and you might find his case a little weaker.

that's poor machining, not pool machining.
Very good post CJ.

I was going to say that anyone can pick a shitty barrel, claim that it's a Remington and then spend hours prepping your barrel for video. You only know what they want you to know. Did you notice in the vid that they go up and back on the Remmy and only twist the other one?

If anyone doubts the accuracy of a Remington 700, give me a call and I'll try my best to outshoot your "fancy" gun.

Here's a 1/4" group at 100 yards on a business card with my Remmy:
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Just bought this Browning A-Bolt II this weekend, in a 308.

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Ruger makes a tactical/target .308 now that I'm sure is really good.
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Here you go, CZ-550 Heavy Varmint model in 308 for $575 that has already been beaded


http://www.texashuntingforum.com/for...550_308#UNREAD
I just bought it from that guy!

I am not kidding either!
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Very good post CJ.

I was going to say that anyone can pick a shitty barrel, claim that it's a Remington and then spend hours prepping your barrel for video. You only know what they want you to know. Did you notice in the vid that they go up and back on the Remmy and only twist the other one?

If anyone doubts the accuracy of a Remington 700, give me a call and I'll try my best to outshoot your "fancy" gun.

Here's a 1/4" group at 100 yards on a business card with my Remmy:
I bet that is either a 700P or old 700 BDL right? IMO the new SPS have actions that are as rough as a corn cob.
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I just bought it from that guy!

I am not kidding either!
Sweet, now what are you going to do with the urban commando sniper rifle?
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Sweet, now what are you going to do with the urban commando sniper rifle?
Its not really all tacticool. Just a pretty laminate stock and a big ole barrel. I actually traded a guy my springfield XD straight up! Pretty good trade!
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Hey, I hunt with an AR-15. Hogs are in packs. and a bolt gun isn't going to take 5 down before they make it into the brush. Times have changed because the technology has changed. A properly designed semi auto can be just as accurate as a bolt gun, and has many advantages.
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I think I'd like a .458 socom upper with a can and some A-Square solids. I think it'd make good hog medecine.

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Its not really all tacticool. Just a pretty laminate stock and a big ole barrel. I actually traded a guy my springfield XD straight up! Pretty good trade!
Hahaha, I am just fuckin with you.
Good trade, and sweet gun.
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I bet that is either a 700P or old 700 BDL right? IMO the new SPS have actions that are as rough as a corn cob.
It's a 700 PSS LTR w/ a Nightforce 3.5-15x scope w/ NP-1RR reticle.
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I think I'd like a .458 socom upper with a can and some A-Square solids. I think it'd make good hog medecine.
A-Square stuff is badass but very expensive.
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Hey, I hunt with an AR-15. Hogs are in packs. and a bolt gun isn't going to take 5 down before they make it into the brush. Times have changed because the technology has changed. A properly designed semi auto can be just as accurate as a bolt gun, and has many advantages.
I have used my AR for hogs, but I didnt like how they squirmed after being hit by a 223. I am now in the market for a .270 BAR
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I have used my AR for hogs, but I didnt like how they squirmed after being hit by a 223. I am now in the market for a .270 BAR
I've seen hogs dropped with a single shot from an AR. If you don't hit them in the ass they don't squirm!
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I've seen hogs dropped with a single shot from an AR. If you don't hit them in the ass they don't squirm!
So have I, I have personally shot one in the head from 20 feet away and it dropped like a rock.


On the flip side, I have seen a boar shot 3 or 4 times and it still was trotting around. Those fuckers are tough.
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I am not kidding either!
I thought that was you, I remember seeing a post about trading a xd for it.

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if any one is up for a cheap 308 bolt gun , look for an indian ishapore ENFIELD rifle.
they can be had for next to nothing and the action is incredibly smooth.
I can't think of any bolt gun ive ever picked up that can worked as fast.
Yes, enfields are very nice rifles, they original came in .303 brit of course, but many were converted to .308. I've always found it difficult to locate one that wasn't in very poor shape though.
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A-Square stuff is badass but very expensive.
It's also worth it.

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L42A1s are the only .308 enfield to rock IMO.
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It's also worth it.
Oh I believe it. I just finished reading a book by Capstick and he said it performed very good. He said in previous ammo manufacturer's a .458 Winn mag with a soft point would not go all the way through a lion but the A-Square soft points would expand great and go through both sides.
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Hey, I hunt with an AR-15. Hogs are in packs. and a bolt gun isn't going to take 5 down before they make it into the brush. Times have changed because the technology has changed. A properly designed semi auto can be just as accurate as a bolt gun, and has many advantages.
I prefer to use a semi-automatic 12 Gauge with 00 Buck for pigs in a pack. Works so much better than any rifle ... Each shot you can get multiple pigs, plus after the first shot, they run like hell and its easier to hit them with a shotgun.

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I prefer to use a semi-automatic 12 Gauge with 00 Buck for pigs in a pack. Works so much better than any rifle ... Each shot you can get multiple pigs, plus after the first shot, they run like hell and its easier to hit them with a shotgun.
I've read stories and have some friends that have plugged a porker with #1 buck and the pig was injured, didn't penetrate through their thick plates and they had to go chase it down. Obviously 00 should do quite a bit better, but rarely do you get the opportunity to get close enough for it to be effective, at least in my experience.
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I've read stories and have some friends that have plugged a porker with #1 buck and the pig was injured, didn't penetrate through their thick plates and they had to go chase it down. Obviously 00 should do quite a bit better, but rarely do you get the opportunity to get close enough for it to be effective, at least in my experience.
You can borrow my bolt-action goose gun. I think AT&T had some input on its design, because it will flat reach out and touch something.

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Some 1 or 00 shot and some Winchester superfield will make a hell of a hog load.
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