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Pistol question

I carry without a CHL in my truck but never loaded... I was told this was ok? As long as the mag and pistol are apart it's legal (from a cop) so whats your take?

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I carry without a CHL in my truck but never loaded... I was told this was ok? As long as the mag and pistol are apart it's legal (from a cop) so whats your take?
Law says as long as you are traveling , and not in plain sight it can be loaded.
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Well by seperated they arent far apart lol

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weird.. Im gona call FWPD tomorrow and ask some questions

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why don't you read the TX law online?
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why would you own a pistol without knowing the laws surrounding it?
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why would you own a pistol without knowing the laws surrounding it?
same reason a lot of people drive without knowing all the laws of the road ?
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Every law is published online, fool.
Yup, here ya go:

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/

Click on "Penal Code"
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why would you own a pistol without knowing the laws surrounding it?
owning a weapon doesnt require the knowlage of laws in carrying the weapon loaded in your car.. Why is everybody on dfwstangs a smart ass jerk?

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owning a weapon doesnt require the knowlage of laws in carrying the weapon loaded in your car.. Why is everybody on dfwstangs a smart ass jerk?
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look up the MPA (Motorist Protection Act)


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I can USE the weapons I own perfectly... Im not 16 with a pistol and doesnt know how to load or take it down.. I just dont know the laws on carrying the weapons loaded in a car, lol...

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I've had several people tell me firearm laws as they were told by LE officers. Most of the time they were wrong. It doesn't hurt to call the local PD and ask questions but don't blindly take their word. Double check the laws online.
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exactly, most officers don't know all the laws
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exactly, most officers don't know all the laws
"most"????

Please, do give me a ballpark figure here.
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Just drive around with it on the fucking dashboard. That's what I do.
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Being that local PD is who you will have to deal with why not ask them and get a letter head with what the Sgt. or whoever says is the law... That way when you get pulled over you have some proof?

Hell I cant find anything online

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Why not read chapter 46 of the Penal Code.

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"most"????

Please, do give me a ballpark figure here.
99.999999% of officers dont know all of the laws on the books. I would say that about 70 to 80 percent of the officers out there have a decent grasp on the laws. the remaining 20 to 30 percent just dont care enough to learn new laws.
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Just drive around with it on the fucking dashboard. That's what I do.
I've tried that, but the damn thing keeps sliding around. I'd suggest a small piece of velcro to the gun with some backing on the dash. Works like a champ.
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"most"????

Please, do give me a ballpark figure here.
I'd say over 50% of officers don't know EVERY law that's on the books... I'm not talking gun laws... I'm talking all laws...
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You'd be surprised how many cops dont know several laws on the books. I had to study the Penal Code for several classes in college. I was telling more than a few some things. Now Case Law, I'd say less than 5% know any of that.

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"most"????

Please, do give me a ballpark figure here.
It would be impossible to know all of the laws dude. Just like how doctors don't know of every disease and ailment on the books.

Now I do believe that most officers probably are familiar with firearms laws.
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I'd say over 50% of officers don't know EVERY law that's on the books... I'm not talking gun laws... I'm talking all laws...
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it's in the CHL handbook you can pick up at any gunshow. it pretty much states as of 9/1/2007 it is no longer against the law to carry a loaded gun in your auto, boat, camper, etc as long as it is NOT in plain view. It is considerd an extension of your home/personal property.

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it's in the CHL handbook you can pick up at any gunshow. it pretty much states as of 9/1/2007 it is no longer against the law to carry a loaded gun in your auto, boat, camper, etc as long as it is NOT in plain view. It is considerd an extension of your home/personal property.

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I'd say over 50% of officers don't know EVERY law that's on the books... I'm not talking gun laws... I'm talking all laws...

Well, no shit. It's impossible to have a firm grasp of EVERY law.
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In the 79th session, the Legislature passed a law that was intended to legalize the carrying of handguns in private motor vehicles by persons not licensed by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) to carry concealed handguns. Prior to that, the law had established a “defense to prosecution” against a charge of unlawful carrying of a weapon (UCW) if you were “traveling.”

The 2005 law established a legal “presumption” in Penal Code Section 46.15 that a person was “traveling” if he or she was in a private motor vehicle; was not engaged in criminal activity other than a Class C misdemeanor or other traffic regulation; was not prohibited by law from possessing a firearm; was not a member of a criminal street gang; and was not carrying a handgun in plain view.

However, some District Attorneys instructed police departments to continue making UCW arrests of motorists who would qualify for the “traveling presumption” despite the clear intent of the Legislature to establish protection for such motorists from such arrests in state code. Unsuspecting motorists who believe they are complying with the intent and spirit of the law could still face arrest and UCW charges – and then be forced to spend time and resources hiring an attorney to submit evidence that they qualify for the “traveling presumption” under the law.

C.S.H.B.1815 would make it clear that a person has a right to carry a handgun, club or certain knives on the person’s own premises or premises under his control, or inside of, or en route, to a motor vehicle under the person’s control. It would redefine the UCW offense in Penal Code Section 46.02 and specify that the same criteria a person has to meet in order to qualify for the “traveling presumption” under current law would need to be met under Section 46.02 to avoid committing a UCW offense.

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