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new chl laws

i know what the last 2 are, but the first is hard to understand

anyone wanna break it down to stupid man terms?

oh yea, you gotta scroll down to the second page to see the new chl laws

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i like the second law but the third is kinda dumb, why wouldn't you let a cop know that you have a chl and are carrying??
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i like the second law but the third is kinda dumb, why wouldn't you let a cop know that you have a chl and are carrying??
I DO think people should always divulge that to an officer, that being said, I don't think it should be forced.

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I plan on always presenting my CHL to any LEO that pulls me over.

Not intended as a "dumb cop" comment, but you can't expect every officer to be completely up to date with the new laws.

Also, from what I understand, some cops get pissy if you don't.

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When a cop(has) pulled me over, I give him the DL and CHL at the same time, and the one time I was pulled over since, he just asked where it was and told me to sit tight. Still got a ticket, but there was no drama about the weapon/chl what so ever, still sucks I got the ticket though

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They are going to find out anyway when they run your DL, why not tell them up front even if you aren't carrying?

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i like the second law but the third is kinda dumb, why wouldn't you let a cop know that you have a chl and are carrying??

From reading on here and a few other places officers have taken that to mean you need to tell them you have a CHL even if you are not carrying at that time. This would eliminate that, however I would tell them up front at the same time I give them my license. It just helps to let them know also some cops understand that if you have your CHL you have already been vetted which could work in your favor.
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I plan on always presenting my CHL to any LEO that pulls me over.

Not intended as a "dumb cop" comment, but you can't expect every officer to be completely up to date with the new laws.

Also, from what I understand, some cops get pissy if you don't.
Ignorance of the law is not an excuse......to quote one of the LEO's on this board, so that cop should know.
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Ignorance of the law is not an excuse......to quote one of the LEO's on this board, so that cop should know.
I agree with you. But, that still doesn't mean that all cops are going to heed the memo about the new law. Them being ignorant of it can spell trouble for you and I, and any other CHL'er that happens to try out the new bit of freedom.

Then again, it seems to be the general consensus on this board and one other that I frequent, that the smart thing to do is to just show them anyways. Whether carrying or not. That would eliminate the problem anyways. I'd rather the officer know I'm legal to carry, up front and in a hurry. I don't want one walking back from the cruiser wondering why I didn't tell them, and whether or not that means I've got something to hide.

I've seen the same opinion displayed here and on texaschlforum.com. It makes sense to me.

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I agree with you. But, that still doesn't mean that all cops are going to heed the memo about the new law. Them being ignorant of it can spell trouble for you and I, and any other CHL'er that happens to try out the new bit of freedom.

Then again, it seems to be the general consensus on this board and one other that I frequent, that the smart thing to do is to just show them anyways. Whether carrying or not. That would eliminate the problem anyways. I'd rather the officer know I'm legal to carry, up front and in a hurry. I don't want one walking back from the cruiser wondering why I didn't tell them, and whether or not that means I've got something to hide.

I've seen the same opinion displayed here and on texaschlforum.com. It makes sense to me.

Oh I agree as well, as soon as they turn the lights on I roll down ALL my windows, if its dark out I turn on the interior light, and keep my hands on the steering wheel until they ask for my DL and Ins. When they ask for it I give them that as well as my CHL and when they ask I let them know where the gun(s) is/are. I have only had them take the gun once and that was in GA to run the serial number, he came back gave it to me (put it in the trunk) and told me to have a nice day.

Most LEO's I have met were nice/professional but I don't want to give the one who isn't an excuse.
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I was on my way to the track in Denton. I got pulled over "speeding" next to another stang (being and idiot). The officer came to the window and was being a real jerk about it. I already had my hands on the steering wheel and DL, CHL and ins. in had when he walked up. I handed him my CHL, he asked where the weapon was. Luckily I wasn't carrying. He said okay and went back to his cruiser. I just knew I was getting a comp of speed ticket or something similar, but he came back asked me to sign for the ticket and told me to have a great day.
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Oh I agree as well, as soon as they turn the lights on I roll down ALL my windows, if its dark out I turn on the interior light, and keep my hands on the steering wheel until they ask for my DL and Ins. When they ask for it I give them that as well as my CHL and when they ask I let them know where the gun(s) is/are. I have only had them take the gun once and that was in GA to run the serial number, he came back gave it to me (put it in the trunk) and told me to have a nice day.

Most LEO's I have met were nice/professional but I don't want to give the one who isn't an excuse.
Exactly.

I've run into a few people who have the exact opposite attitude, and I don't imagine the new law will do anything to change it.

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I was on my way to the track in Denton. I got pulled over "speeding" next to another stang (being and idiot). The officer came to the window and was being a real jerk about it. I already had my hands on the steering wheel and DL, CHL and ins. in had when he walked up. I handed him my CHL, he asked where the weapon was. Luckily I wasn't carrying. He said okay and went back to his cruiser. I just knew I was getting a comp of speed ticket or something similar, but he came back asked me to sign for the ticket and told me to have a great day.
So i didn't get out of the ticket, but my CHL sure seemed to help.
I haven't yet gotten pulled over since I've had my CHL. Hopefully if/when it ever happens, mine will go smoothly, like your experience.

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An LEO that pulls you over knows that when you give him your CHL, that you are a law abiding citezen and have had a thorough background check. It can only help.

Does the officer have the right to ask you where it is?

I was pulled over for window tint and gave both of course. He let me off with a warning.

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An LEO that pulls you over knows that when you give him your CHL, that you are a law abiding citezen and have had a thorough background check. It can only help.

Does the officer have the right to ask you where it is?

I was pulled over for window tint and gave both of course. He let me off with a warning.
Yes, they can actually ask you to give them the weapon during the stop. I have only had that happen once as he wanted to run the serial number, he ran it and gave it back. Otherwise they ask where it is and may just tell you not to move/reach in that general direction.
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I have been pulled over three times while carrying. Twice was on my bike and once in my car. Once on the bike was on a trip going to Arkansas and we were pulled over by Oklahoma Highway Patrol. He just wanted to give us a hard time and find something wrong with our bikes. He actually did take my Glock while he was walking around our bikes. Luckily I was with my friend's dad and his friends. They are all in there 50s so he concentrated mainly on me since I was young and was carrying. He didnt find anything wrong with our bikes so he had to let us go. On a side note though when he took my Glock he popped the mag out and when he did dropped the damn thing on the ground. I was amazed lol. He did offer to buy a new mag if I wanted one, but it seemed fine to me.

The other two times both times the cops were real nice, but still issued tickets. They dont seem to mind running into someone with a CHL as long as you handle the situation appropriately. Think of how many people they pull over that never tell them they are carrying...
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An LEO that pulls you over knows that when you give him your CHL, that you are a law abiding citezen and have had a thorough background check. It can only help.
Does the officer have the right to ask you where it is?

I was pulled over for window tint and gave both of course. He let me off with a warning.
Thats the ideal situation. I've heard horror stories about officers getting indignant and uppity about it; believing that the general public shouldn't be armed, and nitpicking. Never happened to me though, and I hope it never does.

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I like the law. But Im also the one who pretty mcuh decides to tell cops nothing they dont need to know.
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I like the law. But Im also the one who pretty mcuh decides to tell cops nothing they dont need to know.
if you are carrying that is something he needs to know
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if you are carrying that is something he needs to know
No he doesnt.
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No he doesnt.
then you should read up on the laws, if an officer asks for ID you must give him your chl and notify him that you are carrying. if you aren't carrying then you don't have to...but as soon as he runs your normal drivers license it will pop up that you have a chl...

i know people are gonna do what they want to anyways so...
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then you should read up on the laws, if an officer asks for ID you must give him your chl and notify him that you are carrying. if you aren't carrying then you don't have to...but as soon as he runs your normal drivers license it will pop up that you have a chl...

i know people are gonna do what they want to anyways so...
If he asks for it, he'll get it.

If he doesnt, he wont. Simple as that.

So like I said, he doesnt need to know if Im carrying or not.
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If he asks for it, he'll get it.

If he doesnt, he wont. Simple as that.

So like I said, he doesnt need to know if Im carrying or not.
when you say 'it' do you mean if he asks for id or your chl? because if he asks for id and you are carrying by law you are supposed to hand him you chl notify him that you are carrying.

well that's what was explained to me when i took my chl class
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However, there's contradictory laws in place. Since anyone can carry a loaded pistol in a car without a CHL. Which law are we falling under?

If it's on you do you show your CHL? What if it's in the glovebox?
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However, there's contradictory laws in place. Since anyone can carry a loaded pistol in a car without a CHL. Which law are we falling under?

If it's on you do you show your CHL? What if it's in the glovebox?
"On or about your person" means you are carrying. In the glovebox is "about" your person. Basically, if it is within reach, you are carrying. If it is in the trunk, you are not.

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"On or about your person" means you are carrying. In the glovebox is "about" your person. Basically, if it is within reach, you are carrying. If it is in the trunk, you are not.
I think he is asking since one can carry all day long concealed in your vehicle..even if it is under your seat, why should he be forced to show a CHL.

Fwiw, I was told in my class unless you are under arrest you are under no legal obligation to relinquish your gun to anyone.

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I think he is asking since one can carry all day long concealed in your vehicle..even if it is under your seat, why should he be forced to show a CHL.

Fwiw, I was told in my class unless you are under arrest you are under no legal obligation to relinquish your gun to anyone.

Also fwiw, if you get stopped walking on the street, unless I have it wrong, you are under no obligation to supply ID if you aren't committing a crime.
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If you are sitting in your car..he has no right unless you verbally give him cause.
There are officers that don't believe civilians should be able to carry. Those are the ones that will typically disarm you whether you are giving any kind of cause or not. I'm not going to argue with them they decide to disarm me. If it makes the stop less stressful for the officer, so be it. It will also be less stressful on me.

Fact of the matter is, the law says they can and some do. Challenge it with the officer and see what happens.

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There are officers that don't believe civilians should be able to carry. Those are the ones that will typically disarm you whether you are giving any kind of cause or not. I'm not going to argue with them they decide to disarm me. If it makes the stop less stressful for the officer, so be it. It will also be less stressful on me.

Fact of the matter is, the law says they can and some do. Challenge it with the officer and see what happens.
No kidding. Arguing whether they have "reasonable" cause ain't gonna make the situation improve. Heck, at that point, he could argue he was fearful of you and draw on that.

And yes, there are some that think civilians with CHL is worse than a criminal with a gun. I met one.

Was with a friend that got pulled over one night. He was CHL and carrying IWB strong side. Officer asked for the gun, requesting a cross draw with the left hand, finger-thumb holding only. My friend gave him the gun, warned that it was chambered. Officer took it, then came back with a speeding ticket and had unchambered the round. Handed the gun, the bullet and magazine back and asked him not to reload until the officer left.

I like the new rules.
First, is just qualifying for CHL. Looks like you can't be denied if you defaulted on a student loan.
Second, yay to must have 51 on the front of the business! Instead of guessing, not being sure and you getting fined/arrested for improper signage.
Third, I never had an issue if I got pulled over to show CHL. Just seems like a good thing to do. I guess people have a right to "privacy", which seems retarded 'cause when the officer runs your license, he'll know you have a CHL.

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I usually do not get harrassed for CHL during stops. Only one time in particular was it an issue. A motorcycle cop pulled me over for 45 in a 30. As he came to the window I handed him my CHL first as I fished around for my ID and insurance. He reamed my ass about how I need to hand him my DL and CHL togehter and demonstrated as if I was too dense to comprehend what he meant. He was an arrogant little revenue generator. Other than that it has never been an issue and more often than not I get a break. I don't get pulled over often, but the few tickets I did get out of have more than paid for the CHL itself.
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a cop can disarm you at anytime if they wish. most don't, but any of them can
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