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WHats the deal with 45acp ammo?

Is it out of stock every where because of people buying it up? I stopped at 2 Academy's, and 3 walmarts today and only found 2 boxes of Winchester 45acp. I didn't know it was so freaking hard to find right now.
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Have you been hiding under a rock?
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Have you been hiding under a rock?
When it comes to buying ammo-Yes.
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All pistol calibers are scarce still.
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I can not find ammo for any of my hand guns. My long guns I have no problem finding. I dont NEED it, but still look everytime I am in Walmart/BPS/Academy...
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I just bought 2 100 round bulk packs of 45 ACP at the Walmart in Mansfield yesterday. About $29.xx each.
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I just bought 2 100 round bulk packs of 45 ACP at the Walmart in Mansfield yesterday. About $29.xx each.
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Whenever I go to Cabellas I see some .45 sitting on the shelf most times. I think its normaly around $24 a box. PM me your phone number and I will text you when I see it. I have no problem picking ammo up for a board member as long as I am paid back what it ran me.
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I can not find ammo for any of my hand guns. My long guns I have no problem finding. I dont NEED it, but still look everytime I am in Walmart/BPS/Academy...
I am going to Laredo once again, If anyone wants any ammo from there let me know... Last time I went which was this May I came back with 10k rounds of assorted calibers. Including

You should know, Laredo is on the U.S. side bordering Mexico, and NO ONE i know there has a gun... Damn bastards keep calling me redneck but they are the ones in that shit hole of a town... Has 3 wal marts 1 k mart and 2 academies, if anyone plans on buying a ton of .45 kirkpatrick guns and ammo has crates of .45 at 20 dollars every 50 rounds...

Anyway this is what I brought back two months ago;
.25
.38sp
.357
.380 auto
.45 ACP
.40 SW
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.45GAP
TONS of 9 mm

I had most of them for people that i knew, but also brought some back with me to resell at a cost...

.380 auto 50rds for 50 dollars is ridiculous. I plan on buying some for myself.

If anyone is interested let me know. Just cover me gas money, and time getting it. Plus cost of ammo. Will do 20 orders this time instead of 10. probably will get buggered But i do it for the folks here.

Will go July 7th or later. Let me know, my truck came FULL of ammo on the way back.
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i was up at bass pro yesterday buying a surefire light and i stopped and talked to the guy at the gun counter. he said they have some of everything now, people are strating to stop hoarding
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I dug around my safe the other day I have much 9mm and 380 I bought in 2000. LOL I also found 6 silver tip 9's so I am safe from werewolfs. Id let go of 200 rounds of Winchester 9mm Luger 115 gr. BEB and 200 rounds 380 auto 95 gr FMJ Armscor Precision ammo. Just make me an offer.

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I am going to Laredo once again, If anyone wants any ammo from there let me know... Last time I went which was this May I came back with 10k rounds of assorted calibers. Including

You should know, Laredo is on the U.S. side bordering Mexico, and NO ONE i know there has a gun... Damn bastards keep calling me redneck but they are the ones in that shit hole of a town... Has 3 wal marts 1 k mart and 2 academies, if anyone plans on buying a ton of .45 kirkpatrick guns and ammo has crates of .45 at 20 dollars every 50 rounds...

Anyway this is what I brought back two months ago;
.25
.38sp
.357
.380 auto
.45 ACP
.40 SW
.44Mag
.45GAP
TONS of 9 mm

I had most of them for people that i knew, but also brought some back with me to resell at a cost...

.380 auto 50rds for 50 dollars is ridiculous. I plan on buying some for myself.

If anyone is interested let me know. Just cover me gas money, and time getting it. Plus cost of ammo. Will do 20 orders this time instead of 10. probably will get buggered But i do it for the folks here.

Will go July 7th or later. Let me know, my truck came FULL of ammo on the way back.


When you go let me know. I want some more of those 9mm 100rd packs like the ones we got in Breckenridge. I also am needing 124gr. hollowpoints too!

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40S&W commands a higher price and is cheaper to manuf than 45 ACP, it is also more popular. Just the manufs optimizing for most profit.

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40S&W commands a higher price and is cheaper to manuf than 45 ACP, it is also more popular. Just the manufs optimizing for most profit.
I dont know if I'd say .40 is more popular in terms of guns owned, but maybe in active shooters.
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40S&W commands a higher price and is cheaper to manuf than 45 ACP, it is also more popular. Just the manufs optimizing for most profit.
How do figure .40 S&W commands a higher price than .45 ACP? I've never seen that to be the case.




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How do figure .40 S&W commands a higher price than .45 ACP? I've never seen that to be the case.
I've always thought that it was a more popular range round because it was a little cheaper.

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I've always thought that it was a more popular range round because it was a little cheaper.
9mm>.40 or .45 for "cheap" ammo.


I miss $5 a box of 50 9mm
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9mm>.40 or .45 for "cheap" ammo.


I miss $5 a box of 50 9mm
Lemme rephrase that, It's a better "bigger caliber" range/defense round when compared to the .45 for those that don't care to defend with 9mm.

It all depends on which side of the "stopping power" fence that you're on.

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Volume of fire/well placed shots > Big ass bullet
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Volume of fire/well placed shots > Big ass bullet
A round with a large wound channel that doesn't over penetrate > *

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Volume of fire/well placed shots > Big ass bullet
13 well placed rounds of .40 will do just fine.


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A round with a large wound channel that doesn't over penetrate > *
Do I need to go through this song and dance again? 9mm penetrates less than a .45.

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You are a fucking idiot. You clearly dont understand what the fuck you are talking about. Just because some gun shop commando says its so dosent make it fact.

I carry a 9mm every day, must make me a pussy huh? Wonder why the balistic data of the 9mm round I carry shows the 9mm is close in preformance to the .45 version of the same round ....

RA9TA from a 4 inch barrel
1240 Ft/Sec
433 Ft/Lb

RA45TP Fired from a 5 inch barrel
985 Ft/sec
495 Ft/Lb

I add that plus the fact that I am carrying 5 more rounds than I would be if I had a .45 in the same gun that I carry. In my mind thats 5 more shots that I can get in the vicinity of the target without a reload. If you think that you are going to get most of your rounds on target when you are freaking out you are a stupid naive person.

One more point on why I think the 9mm is a bit better of a choice for a new/broke shooter. 9mm is a shit ton cheaper than .45 is, I have been seeing a box of .45 selling in stores for 40-50 bucks for FMJ!!! You can still find 9mm in stores for less than 10 bucks a box. I think that the ability to afford more ammo to practice and learn how to hit COM effectively FAR outweighs the guy that totes a .45 and only can afford to shoot half as much as the 9mm shooter.

9mm = Cheap and effective ammo to practice ALOT more
.45 = Expensive, less bullets in the mag, less practice time.
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13 well placed rounds of .40 will do just fine.


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14 rounds of well placed 9mm will do just as well.
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I'm not going to start a battle, beacuse getting shot with any caliber can be lethal, and IMO any of the 9mm and larger calibers make for a fine defense round. The 9mm will tend to go further through hard objects than the .45, in the body the penetration is about the same give or take a little. The test (trying to find link) was for interior walls, and the 9mm effectively went through an extra wall, but both would be stopped by a stud.

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I'm not going to start a battle, beacuse getting shot with any caliber can be lethal, and IMO any of the 9mm and larger calibers make for a fine defense round. The 9mm will tend to go further through hard objects than the .45, in the body the penetration is about the same give or take a little. The test (trying to find link) was for interior walls, and the 9mm effectively went through an extra wall, but both would be stopped by a stud.
I think you are referring to the box o truth test. The onle reason the 9mm penetrated one more board is the velocity. I am of the opinion that ANY bullet is going to go through 6-8 walls if you miss. The only thing I worry about when it comes to over penetration is a bullet going through a person and hitting a innocent.
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Here is the resxt of the info from that thread I posted a link to

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Wow. Resulting to name calling because we have a difference of opinion.
I just get really tired of People giving bad information like "be a man, get a .45" to new shooters. Thats like telling a kid that just took the MSF class to jump on a 1000 and do a few laps on a track. If he decided for whatever reason that both he and his wife want to shoot .45 than so be it. But to suggest to a new shooter and his new shooter wife that a .45 is the biggest and the greatest is rather stupid.

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Let me preface this by saying that I am not a handgun expert and I don't sit around reading guns and ammo books all day. I only speak of what I have seen personally.
Im no expert eather, I just retain alot of information.

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A 9mm is a higher velocity round so it tends to go through the target. A .45 will penetrate and create a buzzsaw affect and wreak havoc on internal organs. I prefer to have the heavier .45 round when I am in close quarters with the enemy.
Yes 9mm is higher velocity but no, it does not tend to go through the target any more than a .45. In fact using the winchester loads that I provided data on earler (RA9TA and RA45TP) the .45 penatrates further than the 9mm by 2.275" on average where as the .45 only expanded .11" larger than the 9mm on average.

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I have seen a suspect take 17 rounds from a 9MM before he went down. I have also seen a similar suspect (body shape, build, mental state) go down with 3 rounds from a .45.
I have seen the same videos and storys. I also rember seeing something posted here where a guy took multaple hits from a rifle and was still fighting police when he was being loaded onto a stretcher. This is where the amount of practice the 9mm affords you comes in. The guy that too 17 hits of 9mm probably wasnt hit in vital areas till the last shots. If the cop had been carrying a 1911 or something of the like he would have had to reload and continue shooting. More practice = quicker stop of the attacker ... dosent matter what round you are shooting at him (as long as it isnt .25acp)

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The military has since switched back to .45 from the 9mm for this same reason. I could care less about the cost of ammo. I had plenty before the supply went down and prices went up.
What information are you going on here? I have heard of no plans to phase out 9mm and go back to .45. I have heard about special ops units using .45s lately, but nothing indicating that the military as a whole is going to .45.

As for your stockpile comment, the new shooter doesnt have a stockpile. He needs to get shooting now, not when prices drop again. Dont you think that a ruger 9mm with a fair amount of practice is lightyears ahead of a wilson combat 1911 that the owner has only fired 50 rounds out of it?
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14 rounds of well placed 9mm will do just as well.
+1 round - you win

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+1 round - you win
Strangely the .40 is pretty close to performance to the 9mm I use. Shitty crop job ... I know

The 9mm also provides a bit more energy delivered on target. The .40 bonded rounds are a bit erratic when it comes to penetration though, kinda strange.



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Cool comparo. What are they putting the mediums on, ballistic gel? It'd be interesting to see the same comparo of exit wounds.

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Check the ballistics for .357 Mag. It beats all those rounds listed.



I know a .44 Mag beats .357, but really, who's gonna conceal a .44 Remington Magnum?
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Check the ballistics for .357 Mag. It beats all those rounds listed.



I know a .44 Mag beats .357, but really, who's gonna conceal a .44 Remington Magnum?
They should make a 2 shot over-under, Derringer style. lol

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Cool comparo. What are they putting the mediums on, ballistic gel? It'd be interesting to see the same comparo of exit wounds.
I am sure it is calibrated ballistic gel. Here is the link to it if you would like to play around with it.

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Check the ballistics for .357 Mag. It beats all those rounds listed.



I know a .44 Mag beats .357, but really, who's gonna conceal a .44 Remington Magnum?
I cant find testing where they directly compare a round that is similar to the ones I use. But you are correct. .357 sig or mag >9mm
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23960 357 Magnum 158 GDHP 20 0.168

Velocity(in feet per second) -- Energy (in foot pounds)
Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards -- Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards
1235 ------ 1119 --- --- 1036 ------- 535 --- --- 440 --- ---- 377
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23920 357 Magnum 125 GDHP 20 0.14

Velocity(in feet per second) Energy (in foot pounds)
Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards
1450---- 1261 ----1118----- 584 ---- 441 ---- 347
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Nice numbers! What length was the test barrel?
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Nice numbers! What length was the test barrel?
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There is a lot of info out there on all manner of weapons.

But one thing you seldom read, or hear.

I more so fear the man with one weapon, as apposed to the man with a safe full.

Reason.....The man with one, only uses that one. He is accustom to all its little quarks, and is most likely very accurate with it.

Now understanding this, and applying it to the 9mm and .45 debate.

Who would you prefer not to come up against. The man with only one .22 pistol, or the man that has all the manly guns?

Keep in mind, getting hit with a .22 between the eyes, is just as deadly as a .45, just less messy.



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