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Why do they want our guns so bad?

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Its just a matter of time before they start forcing these "gun turn in" locations on us.....



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Its just a matter of time before they start forcing these "gun turn in" locations on us.....
this is nothing new. Guns for grocery, guns for shoes, guns for cash .. all have been done in the past. They even had a RPG turned in at one of them.
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This roses for guns really opened up my eyes. I decided to give the woman a .44 magnum for valentines day instead of roses.
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"deputies have seized about 75 guns in the first 90 minutes."


WTF? Again, journalists not knowing what they are talking about.

Seize: to take possession of by force or at will.

The guns were turned in voluntarily, but they make it sound like some kind of "police action".

That's the media putting an evil spin on anything because guns are bad...mmmmkay...... Fuckers....
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Hey, i got a honest question here.


If I decided to go out and trade my florist gift cards for guns on a street corner, would that be illegal? Technically it's FTF and a legal trade. Seriously, I can't even think of shotguns or rifles that are legit worth less than 50 bucks, and any handgun less than $100.
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Hey, i got a honest question here.


If I decided to go out and trade my florist gift cards for guns on a street corner, would that be illegal? Technically it's FTF and a legal trade. Seriously, I can't even think of shotguns or rifles that are legit worth less than 50 bucks, and any handgun less than $100.
This has been debated before and the consensus is that it would be perfectly legal.
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This has been debated before and the consensus is that it would be perfectly legal.
care to save up $1,000 bucks each and have our own little banquet?
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care to save up $1,000 bucks each and have our own little banquet?
They have the power of advertising on their side. Not to mention no one robs uniformed cops (well, at least not sober).

This would be a risky little endeavor.
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They have the power of advertising on their side. Not to mention no one robs uniformed cops (well, at least not sober).

This would be a risky little endeavor.
I never let something like advertising and mortal danger get in the way of profits.
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I never let something like advertising and mortal danger get in the way of profits.

Do you know your casket size????
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Do you know your casket size????
no, but I know my kevlar vest size.
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To answer the question in thread title, please read the quotes in my sig. That should say enough.

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no, but I know my kevlar vest size.
Don't mean to rain on your parade, but bad guys have been taking head shots since the vest was introduced....
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Don't mean to rain on your parade, but bad guys have been taking head shots since the vest was introduced....
Well, it's like that don't have the initiative to do things that come up with reasons why not to do it. Honestly, I wouldn't be that concerned about it at all.
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Liberals like to control. They scheme ways to gain power, control, and influence people. It becomes a fucking obsession for them. If they take away something that equalizes (in this case a gun,) then it gives them more power and control. That's why there are so many liberal teachers, liberal journalists, liberal politicians, liberal church leaders etc. It's all about the control and influence.

Watch the census and how the current liberal admin handle it. Watch your freedoms disappear and control be forced upon you.

Liberals are able to do this because so many people enjoy being controlled. It's easier than questioning why.
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To answer the question in thread title, please read the quotes in my sig. That should say enough.
Don't' forget Dianne Feinstein and her comments on "60 Minutes".

"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them, Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in, I would have done it."

-Senator Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif, discussing the 1994 "crime bill", one of the largest gun control bills of the last 30 years.


She and Charles Schumer from NY both wrote that piece of trash.
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The only good thing about this buy back is that there is no amnesty for the folks turning in the guns and they will be ballistically tested...
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The only good thing about this buy back is that there is no amnesty for the folks turning in the guns and they will be ballistically tested...
At tax payers expense. HAHA!
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At tax payers expense. HAHA!
So? If 500 guns are turned in at a max cost of $5,000 and the cops connect 50 guns to crimes and if only 10 of those cases net a arrest I see it as a win.
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well I''m sure the streets are safer with all the guns being turned in by criminals , cops are probably taking dibs on $100 pistols as they come in.

its still "we the people"right?

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Seriously, I can't even think of shotguns or rifles that are legit worth less than 50 bucks, and any handgun less than $100.
Obviously you've never experienced the joys of shooting a Lorcin, Raven, Bryco or an AMT weapon. These used to all be under $100 and in the case of the Brycos under $50 brand new.

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So? If 500 guns are turned in at a max cost of $5,000 and the cops connect 50 guns to crimes and if only 10 of those cases net a arrest I see it as a win.
WTF are you smoking?!

You think ballistics testing is free?! That shit is gonna cost money too. Those $100 gift cards ain't the only money involved.

Glad you aren't in charge of my finances!
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At tax payers expense. HAHA!
So?

If you had your gun stolen and it was located during a buy back, wouldn't you want it?

If you had a loved one killed by gunfire and the weapon used in the crime was turned in and provided a lead, wouldn't you want the case to be solved?
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well I''m sure the streets are safer with all the guns being turned in by criminals , cops are probably taking dibs on $100 pistols as they come in.
Yea, we get "dibs"... WTF are you thinking? Guns turned into a buy back are recorded, ran, and in this case, tested. How do you think missing guns are explained????

We can't even buy old police cars at auction.
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WTF are you smoking?!

You think ballistics testing is free?! That shit is gonna cost money too. Those $100 gift cards ain't the only money involved.

Glad you aren't in charge of my finances!

Why aren't you more worried about the bail out? This is chump change compared to the big picture. Again, if it solves one homocide, then it was worth it.
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So?

If you had your gun stolen and it was located during a buy back, wouldn't you want it?

If you had a loved one killed by gunfire and the weapon used in the crime was turned in and provided a lead, wouldn't you want the case to be solved?
I posted this as sarcasm. But since I'm being challenged on it.

Tell me:

How many guns are turned in that have been involved in crimes or stolen? How much is this costing total? Can this money be used in a more effective manner?
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Why aren't you more worried about the bail out? This is chump change compared to the big picture. Again, if it solves one homocide, then it was worth it.
Because the bailout is not the real problem. The real problem is that we will not fix this country's debt until we can figure out how to stop putting today's debt on the tomorrow's shoulders. I also know that the current admin that is hellbent on "change" is really nothing more than a lie. Proof of this is their support for the bailout. In a way I am glad, because I am hoping for many people to gain consciousness during the next few years.
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Yea, we get "dibs"... WTF are you thinking? Guns turned into a buy back are recorded, ran, and in this case, tested. How do you think missing guns are explained????

We can't even buy old police cars at auction.
I apologize, I retract the statement, what do they do with them? destroy them I guess?

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I posted this as sarcasm. But since I'm being challenged on it.

Tell me:

How many guns are turned in that have been involved in crimes or stolen? How much is this costing total? Can this money be used in a more effective manner?
Sorry couldn't tell the sarcasm, I don't know the stats on this but I'd love to. I don't know the total cost, but I'm sure it's a lot less than the $180 mil inauguration we just had.

Can the money be used in a more effective manner? Maybe. Do you have any ideas? I'd love to hear them..

My thoughts on the buyback...

The incentive for people to turn them in is bad and here's why:

1. Wife gets mad at husband and sells his $1,000 gun for $50
2. Money makes people go out and steal guns
3. People for the most part are turning in old POS guns, like rusted out H&Rs...

The premise is good and here's why:

1. It might find guns used in crimes that might otherwise go undetected
2. It takes guns out of homes where the propensity to use them for evil exists (low income housing)
3. It removes guns from homes with children that aren't the best to begin with.
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Because the bailout is not the real problem. The real problem is that we will not fix this country's debt until we can figure out how to stop putting today's debt on the tomorrow's shoulders. I also know that the current admin that is hellbent on "change" is really nothing more than a lie. Proof of this is their support for the bailout. In a way I am glad, because I am hoping for many people to gain consciousness during the next few years.

Then the bailout is a bigger problem than a gun buyback.
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I apologize, I retract the statement, what do they do with them? destroy them I guess?

If they are not stolen or otherwise wanted, they are destroyed (cut in half with a bad ass band saw and then melted for scrap metal.

At least that's what is done in Tarrant County.
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WTF are you smoking?!

You think ballistics testing is free?! That shit is gonna cost money too. Those $100 gift cards ain't the only money involved.

Glad you aren't in charge of my finances!
I understand that testing cost money, my point is it dosent matter if the program is expensive if there is results. Now if these programs failed to produce results, I agree that they sould be stopped right now.
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Sorry couldn't tell the sarcasm, I don't know the stats on this but I'd love to. I don't know the total cost, but I'm sure it's a lot less than the $180 mil inauguration we just had.

Can the money be used in a more effective manner? Maybe. Do you have any ideas? I'd love to hear them..

My thoughts on the buyback...

The incentive for people to turn them in is bad and here's why:

1. Wife gets mad at husband and sells his $1,000 gun for $50
2. Money makes people go out and steal guns
3. People for the most part are turning in old POS guns, like rusted out H&Rs...

The premise is good and here's why:

1. It might find guns used in crimes that might otherwise go undetected
2. It takes guns out of homes where the propensity to use them for evil exists (low income housing)
3. It removes guns from homes with children that aren't the best to begin with.
The inauguration is a drop in the bucket compared to the $750 million the dems and Bama raised for the election. Much of it exploiting the "Under 200 donation" loophole and coming from foreign, illegal, and questionable sources. Notably the largest pool of unidentified money that has ever flooded into the U.S. election system.

I think the money and time put into these "buyback" or "round-ups" is a waste. Until I see some meaningful stats, I will continue to believe this. I don't ever remember hearing any guns coming in that were used in a crime or stolen. I fully believe the purpose of these "round-ups" is all about appearance without any real positive benefits.

Why not use that money to better protect our officers? They could put the money towards the purchase of helmets/head protection. They have vests protecting the torso, but why leave the head unprotected? I guess maybe they don't want the police to appear "intimidating". Just one idea off the top of my head. No pun intended.
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Then the bailout is a bigger problem than a gun buyback.
I disagree. I see it as being a positive. Not in the way the dems intended, but because they are exposing themselves(Bama and his admin and the dems as a whole) as being the "same old, same old" and liars.

The "change" was an all out myth and is being proven over and over again. I forsee a lot of people gaining consciousness these next few years.
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I think the money and time put into these "buyback" or "round-ups" is a waste. Until I see some meaningful stats, I will continue to believe this. I don't ever remember hearing any guns coming in that were used in a crime or stolen. I fully believe the purpose of these "round-ups" is all about appearance without any real positive benefits.

Why not use that money to better protect our officers? They could put the money towards the purchase of helmets/head protection. They have vests protecting the torso, but why leave the head unprotected? I guess maybe they don't want the police to appear "intimidating". Just one idea off the top of my head. No pun intended.
You'd be surprised to see how much money in a police budget goes for pork. Like the thousands that go to the "Boys and Girls Clubs" to keep people out of trouble. The thinking is that if we give them a nice place to go with video games, computers, pool tables, basketball courts, then we will spend money entertaining them and they won't be out committing crimes. That is total BS! It's not the taxpayer's job to entertain and raise these kids. The funny thing is that I don't know of one single club that isn't in a black area.

I'll guarantee you that we spend more money on that than we do buy backs.
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I understand that testing cost money, my point is it dosent matter if the program is expensive if there is results. Now if these programs failed to produce results, I agree that they sould be stopped right now.
Ahh. I see.

I don't know what type of results these "round-ups" produce, but I see them being all about the appearance that they are cleaning up neighborhoods and not really having as great an impact as using the time and money elsewhere could.

I don't remember any of the 6,705 guns in Chicago's "buy-back" program tied to any crime or theft. In fact, the program was buying useless guns and then the money was used to purchase guns and ammunition for the NRA Youth Shooting Camp, a place where youngsters are taught that gun control is about properly aiming one’s firearm at the target and using it responsibly, not some misguided attempt at reducing crime by banning guns. Check it out here...

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=291523

Do people actually think that a criminal is going to turn in a gun for a measly $100 when they can get more than that on the black market??
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You'd be surprised to see how much money in a police budget goes for pork. Like the thousands that go to the "Boys and Girls Clubs" to keep people out of trouble. The thinking is that if we give them a nice place to go with video games, computers, pool tables, basketball courts, then we will spend money entertaining them and they won't be out committing crimes. That is total BS! It's not the taxpayer's job to entertain and raise these kids. The funny thing is that I don't know of one single club that isn't in a black area.

I'll guarantee you that we spend more money on that than we do buy backs.
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Ahh. I see.

I don't know what type of results these "round-ups" produce, but I see them being all about the appearance that they are cleaning up neighborhoods and not really having as great an impact as using the time and money elsewhere could.

I don't remember any of the 6,705 guns in Chicago's "buy-back" program tied to any crime or theft. In fact, the program was buying useless guns and then the money was used to purchase guns and ammunition for the NRA Youth Shooting Camp, a place where youngsters are taught that gun control is about properly aiming one’s firearm at the target and using it responsibly, not some misguided attempt at reducing crime by banning guns. Check it out here...

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=291523

Do people actually think that a criminal is going to turn in a gun for a measly $100 when they can get more than that on the black market??
The criminal element isn't turning them in. The momma/baby's momma of the criminal is turning them in because they are scared of the gun or what idiot will do with it. The real criminal won't turn it in because they can go out an jack a store for a couple hundred bucks a pop. You can make a hell of a lot of money with a gun.
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I guess how i view this is government is trying to get the "evil guns" off the street like the streets are safer because they do this. I've yet to hear about arrests made from stolen guns, or guns that were used in crimes; they did one of these in Chicago as well as florida last year. No arrest that i've heard of.

Why dont they do a "turn in your drugs", or "pay you for info leading to arrests" ?
I think both of these would have a greater effect then people turning in legal old relic guns.....



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I guess how i view this is government is trying to get the "evil guns" off the street like the streets are safer because they do this. I've yet to hear about arrests made from stolen guns, or guns that were used in crimes; they did one of these in Chicago as well as florida last year. No arrest that i've heard of.

Why dont they do a "turn in your drugs", or "pay you for info leading to arrests" ?
I think both of these would have a greater effect then people turning in legal old relic guns.....

The tip hotline in FTW that pays for info recieves info on almost a daily basis that leads to either arrests in unsolved cases, or more often, arrests of wanted fugitives.
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My brother sent this to me. Not sure how valid it is considering where it was printed.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/8460
I believe it !

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post #46 of 47 (permalink) Old 02-16-2009, 09:54 PM
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Why do they want our guns? WHY DO THEY WANT OUR GUNS?!?! Are you kidding me? Gun CONTROL! That's why. Focus on that second word. While we're on the subject, let's look at something. I absolutely HATE forwarded emails, but this gets you thinking.

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control . From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars . The first year results are now in:
List of 7 items:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent.
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this20has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

With guns, we are 'citizens'.

Without them, we are 'subjects'.

During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED.

During periods of GUN CONTROL, the only people with guns are the ones NOT obeying the law. You can just call me an outlaw.
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post #47 of 47 (permalink) Old 02-17-2009, 07:21 AM
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