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life decissions are tough. do i buy a house or a mini gun............


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I cannot understand why you would spend that much money on a gun with literally no purpose.



You could buy a top of the line Holland and Holland that will likely appreciate more in value than either of those.
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I dont know what a Holland and Holland is, so Id take the M134.
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I dont know what a Holland and Holland is, so Id take the M134.
I guess you need to learn a thing or two about fine guns my friend




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I like the idea of having a machine gun as much as the next guy, but if I ever had that kind of coin to spend on a firearm, I would be standing in the New York H&H gun room debating on whether to walk out with a .600 double rifle or a pair of 12 bore O/Us.
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I guess you need to learn a thing or two about fine guns my friend




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I like the idea of having a machine gun as much as the next guy, but if I ever had that kind of coin to spend on a firearm, I would be standing in the New York H&H gun room debating on whether to walk out with a .600 double rifle or a pair of 12 bore O/Us.
Look like some boring expensive shotguns.
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i could never spend more than about 1500 on a gun. i just cant bring myself to do it


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Look like some boring expensive shotguns.
Meh, I enjoy shooting shotguns more than any of my other guns.


Bird hunting and busting clays are my favorite things to do concerning the firarms hobby.



Plus, with an H&H double you could take an elephant (which you could prolly set up assuming you could afford the rifle)
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Meh, I enjoy shooting shotguns more than any of my other guns.


Bird hunting and busting clays are my favorite things to do concerning the firarms hobby.



Plus, with an H&H double you could take an elephant (which you could prolly set up assuming you could afford the rifle)
I hate hunting and clays is alright. But my cheapo Weatherby over/under does alright by my standards.

I also dont run across many elephants.
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I hate hunting and clays is alright. But my cheapo Weatherby over/under does alright by my standards.

I also dont run across many elephants.
Big game hunting has always been one of my goals in life, and when I can afford it I figure I might as well do it in style.



And I used to be strictly a firearm collector and hobby shooter until I started seriously hunting about 2 years back. Haven't bought an "assault weapon" since and now my gun purchases are mainly for hunting rifles/shotguns. I used to not be a big fan, but now that im a bit older I appreciate going with the guys and bringing back a cooler full of ducks/dove/etc. A lot more satisfying shooting animals than paper!



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Meh, I enjoy shooting shotguns more than any of my other guns.


Bird hunting and busting clays are my favorite things to do concerning the firarms hobby.


x2 nothing like flushing a covey of quail and busting with my Ruger Red Label.

My uncle has a few H&H's Damn fine firearms. They had a bunch at the SCI show in Jan, I knew they were expensive but had no idea they were that expensive.

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x2 nothing like flushing a covey of quail and busting with my Ruger Red Label.

My uncle has a few H&H's Damn fine firearms. They had a bunch at the SCI show in Jan, I knew they were expensive but had no idea they were that expensive.
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Interesting bit of trivia: the British royal family has issued 2 royal warrants to H&H and uses them almost exclusively.
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DOHCTR, have you ever fired an M60/M2 or any other belt fed weapon?
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I go pheasant hunting every year and that's about it. And I only do it to drink beer and camp.

Overall I cant stand the actual hunting part. I just get to bored.

I think an African Safari killing spree would be alright, but I dont want to spend the money on any of that.
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DOHCTR, have you ever fired an M60/M2 or any other belt fed weapon?
I have not, but I would like to!


Just seems like shooting at paper is kind of pointless (unless sighting in or honing your abilities of course). Lord knows I have torn hundreds of targets to shreds over the years, but I get bored of it pretty quickly.


Like I said, I like the idea of having a machine gun, but I would much rather invest in a fine gun and kill something really, really big.
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I just get to bored.
I'm the complete opposite, shooting paper is boring to me.

To each their own
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I go pheasant hunting every year and that's about it. And I only do it to drink beer and camp.

Overall I cant stand the actual hunting part. I just get to bored.

I think an African Safari killing spree would be alright, but I dont want to spend the money on any of that.
Ive never actually been pheasant hunting but it looks pretty interesting.


As for the african killing spree, its on the top of the "to do before I die" list



Hell, you could do it with your m60 mounted on the top a jeep I suppose, albeit mounting the animals would be a bit difficult.
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I'm the complete opposite, shooting paper is boring to me.

To each their own
I dont like shooting at paper either.

I like to shoot at washing machines, cars, propane tanks, RC cars/planes.
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I have not, but I would like to!


Just seems like shooting at paper is kind of pointless (unless sighting in or honing your abilities of course). Lord knows I have torn hundreds of targets to shreds over the years, but I get bored of it pretty quickly.


Like I said, I like the idea of having a machine gun, but I would much rather invest in a fine gun and kill something really, really big.
NOTHING, I mean NOTHING puts a smile on your face like a fine belt fed weapon.

I like hunting, but I can't fathom killing an elephant, majestic lion, or anything of the like. I'll kill feral hogs or any other varmint all day long.

I go to a private range every year and shoot belt fed guns at targets or anyting that comes floating down the Trinity.

I lust after a nice belt fed, or even a full auto rifle, but I couldn't imagine spending $10k on a double barrel shotgun just like I couldn't see spending $10k on a Rolex.
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NOTHING, I mean NOTHING puts a smile on your face like a fine belt fed weapon.

I like hunting, but I can't fathom killing an elephant, majestic lion, or anything of the like. I'll kill feral hogs or any other varmint all day long.

I go to a private range every year and shoot belt fed guns at targets or anyting that comes floating down the Trinity.

I lust after a nice belt fed, or even a full auto rifle, but I couldn't imagine spending $10k on a double barrel shotgun just like I couldn't see spending $10k on a Rolex.
I hear that man. I would love to shoot something full auto, but it has always seemed like a bit of a novelty to me (which in the civilian world... it is).


And ill be sure to post up pics when I take my elephant
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I dont like shooting at paper either.

I like to shoot at washing machines, cars, propane tanks, RC cars/planes.
lol, understood, that probably never gets boring.

You may have already tried this but if you get the small propane tanks that screw into latterns, build a small fire and throw one in, as soon as it begins to flame up, shoot it and it makes a hell of an explosion. I've seen it done with the large bottle but the explosions never seem to be as good as the small bottles.


Obviously make sure there is some distance between you and the bottle.
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And ill be sure to post up pics when I take my elephant
Better hurry, the government over there is getting out of hand on taxing of hunting over there. They no longer care about the revenue from hunting. It's all about diamonds now. My uncle who has had owned and operated a outfit there for close to 15 years is thinking about shutting it down and doing hunts only in North America.
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I hear that man. I would love to shoot something full auto, but it has always seemed like a bit of a novelty to me (which in the civilian world... it is).


And ill be sure to post up pics when I take my elephant
The only reason I hunt is to kill the hogs that are tearing up land for farming, coyotes that kill stock, or deer for venison. We made chorizo out of the 6 hogs we killed last week.

I couldn't imagine killing an elephant for "sport", neither could I imagine killing one to eat...
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The only reason I hunt is to kill the hogs that are tearing up land for farming, coyotes that kill stock, or deer for venison. We made chorizo out of the 6 hogs we killed last week.

I couldn't imagine killing an elephant for "sport", neither could I imagine killing one to eat...
Thats cool, I just cant wait for the day where I have to decide where to put my elephant mount at


Im usually not a trophy hunter, but once I get more time/money I hope to evolve into one
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In addition to the above mini gun we have available a complete parts kit consisting of a Garwood 80% receiver, complete housing assembly (with bolts, tracks and safeing sector), new FN barrels, barrel clamp assembly with flash hider, motor, feeder delinker, degroat fire control box and cables (everything you need except a set of spade grips to make a post sample gun after receiving appropriate ATF appoval and finishing the receiver, or use as spares for above gun). Also available are two 1200 round ammo boxes (one new), one new 3200 round ammo box, a round repositioner, spare springs bearing pins, feed chute and Garwood battery box with batteries. We are asking $60,000.00 for all the above.
Those prices are crazy... I understand they cant sell anything made after 1986 but can you buy a tax stamp and build one for yourself?

Is this a build your own legal machine gun kit?
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Those prices are crazy... I understand they cant sell anything made after 1986 but can you buy a tax stamp and build one for yourself?

Is this a build your own legal machine gun kit?

O don't know for sure, but I've operated on this scenario. If I built an auto sear to drop in one of my ARs, it would make it a full auto gun and illegal as hell. Even though it's my gun and I bought it legally, it would cost me 10 years/$10k federal time...
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O don't know for sure, but I've operated on this scenario. If I built an auto sear to drop in one of my ARs, it would make it a full auto gun and illegal as hell. Even though it's my gun and I bought it legally, it would cost me 10 years/$10k federal time...
Which is the perfect segue into my next question. Could you fill out Form 4 and pay the tax to legally possess said modified rifle?
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Those prices are crazy... I understand they cant sell anything made after 1986 but can you buy a tax stamp and build one for yourself?

Is this a build your own legal machine gun kit?
After May 19, 1986 individuals were prohibited form manufacturing their own MGs. The kit offered above would be used in a licensed manufacturers post sample (MGs built after May 19, 1986) build, someone who wanted a hell of a dummy display, or parts for your transferable mini gun.
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Which is the perfect segue into my next question. Could you fill out Form 4 and pay the tax to legally possess said modified rifle?
NO, unless it was manufactured and registered before May 19, 1986, a private individual cannot own it legally.
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NOTHING, I mean NOTHING puts a smile on your face like a fine belt fed weapon.

I like hunting, but I can't fathom killing an elephant, majestic lion, or anything of the like. I'll kill feral hogs or any other varmint all day long.

I go to a private range every year and shoot belt fed guns at targets or anyting that comes floating down the Trinity.

I lust after a nice belt fed, or even a full auto rifle, but I couldn't imagine spending $10k on a double barrel shotgun just like I couldn't see spending $10k on a Rolex.
120mm smooth bore canon mounted on an M1 tank should be added to that list!
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120mm smooth bore canon mounted on an M1 tank should be added to that list!
Awww shit, the tanker chimes in with another weapon that civilians can't own..
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Awww shit, the tanker chimes in with another weapon that civilians can't own..
actually, you could if it was registered as a DD if I am not mistaken
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Awww shit, the tanker chimes in with another weapon that civilians can't own..
Just make your own out of PVC and Dr. Pepper cans
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Thats cool, I just cant wait for the day where I have to decide where to put my elephant mount at


Im usually not a trophy hunter, but once I get more time/money I hope to evolve into one
Check out this website.... Ron has been my best friend since jr high. Him and his older brother travel all over and hunt anything from whitetail to hippos and elephants. They also do alot of filming of other people and compile it into DVD's and sell those. He gave me all of his DVD's and one is strictly an African Safari. It is pretty badass to watch!

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NO, unless it was manufactured and registered before May 19, 1986, a private individual cannot own it legally.
Registered, was the part I was missing... I was thinking you filled out Form 4 to get the tax stamp, its not as much about the tax as it is about Transferring the MG...

Stupid question but do they maintain some kind of master list?
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NOTHING, I mean NOTHING puts a smile on your face like a fine belt fed weapon.
Ma deuce, out the door of a helicopter for the ETEG (ear to ear grin)!

What's the old saying? "Happiness is a belt-fed weapon"
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Registered, was the part I was missing... I was thinking you filled out Form 4 to get the tax stamp, its not as much about the tax as it is about Transferring the MG...

Stupid question but do they maintain some kind of master list?
There's a huge master list of ever MG registered.
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If only I could've fit one in duffle bag when I got out! I would have the most badass patrol car ever!
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If only I could've fit one in duffle bag when I got out! I would have the most badass patrol car ever!
You'll have to come over sometime and see what I have
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What is the fucking point?
To be the baddest motherfucker on your street?
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Plus, with an H&H double you could take an elephant (which you could prolly set up assuming you could afford the rifle)
i'm sure the mini gun can take down an elephant. haha
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I wonder if they offer any of those in a carry model.
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Cool, thanks for educating me...
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Wonder what all is different with the dillion aero m134 and a ge m134
Dillon pretty much just made it into a more reliable system.
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so the GE shoots just as fast? hell ya!
Yup

Dillion tweaked the rotor system and made it to where you dont need to be an armorer to clear a jam and some other things, but overall they're essentially the same.
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