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post #1 of 100 (permalink) Old 02-11-2009, 10:28 AM Thread Starter
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Chambered or Not??

Just curious as to how many of you carry with a round in the chamber or not?

I personally have not keep one in the chamber for the simple fact it makes me feel a little nervous. I often practice drawing, chambering, and getting on target to try and improve my speed. I also feel it gives me an extra second to think before firing. On the other hand I am afraid of what that extra time or failure to chamber a round in the future might cost me in a real situtaion.

What is everyone else's opinion on this?
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From a self defense standpoint...during drills the guy that is unchambered usually always loses out. Especially if there is a knife involved. If you get rushed and tackled it is hard to screw with a slide on your back if you are getting pummeled or stabbed.

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Why wouldn't you keep one chambered? If I need to pull my weapon I don't want to take the extra time in chambering a round before I can get on target. Do you go to a gun fight without a loaded weapon?

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Just curious as to how many of you carry with a round in the chamber or not?

I personally have not keep one in the chamber for the simple fact it makes me feel a little nervous. I often practice drawing, chambering, and getting on target to try and improve my speed. I also feel it gives me an extra second to think before firing. On the other hand I am afraid of what that extra time or failure to chamber a round in the future might cost me in a real situtaion.

What is everyone else's opinion on this?
If you dont carry with one chambered you might as well not carry at all. Thats a second you might not have, it also is one more motion to fuck up when you are all fucked up on adrenaline. Practice a god solid draw and be done with it
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when i started carrying i did not chamber a round. i wanted to get used to the gun being there first. i do carry chambered now though


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If you dont carry with one chambered you might as well not carry at all. Thats a second you might not have, it also is one more motion to fuck up when you are all fucked up on adrenaline. Practice a god solid draw and be done with it
there is also the arguement that you should have a way to calm the adrenaline rush to think more clearly.

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there is also the arguement that you should have a way to calm the adrenaline rush to think more clearly.

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How the hell would you calm the adrenaline? I assue you mean by chambering a round, there is alot more of a chance that you will miss, hit a bystander, or shoot the groundwhen chambering a round while drawing. I have always found that instinct takes over when shit is moving fast, be it drawing a gun, avoiding an accident, or helping someone who was seriously hurt. Not carrying a round in the chamber is stupid, end of story. Find me one LEO that dosent keep his gun chambered when its on his hip and ill put more thought into not carrying one in the chamber.
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i dont know. i just said that there is the arguement for it. there are people that feel that way.

my grandfather had mor guns than anyone i know and he kept one out for home defense. unloaded with the clip beside it. he always said he would rather have some sort of check to keep him thinking clearly.


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i dont know. i just said that there is the arguement for it. there are people that feel that way.

my grandfather had mor guns than anyone i know and he kept one out for home defense. unloaded with the clip beside it. he always said he would rather have some sort of check to keep him thinking clearly.
eh, I have found that when i wake up to a noise I am pretty alert. BTW ... the key word in your post is "grandfather" ... how to defend yourself has changed alot in the last 50 years. Shit moves along alot faster and pussy punks dont have knifes anymore ... they carry stolen guns. just my .02
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When I first started carrying I did not have one chambered. After about a week I noticed that I never "accidentally" bumped off the thumb safety, nor pulled the trigger. I started then carrying it chambered and have ever since. Granted, it is a 1911 with grip and thumb safeties, but I would still do it with a Glock. Just make sure that your holster covers the trigger area.

I also carry my BUG "chambered" (It's a revolver in .38 Special ).

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When I first started carrying I did not have one chambered. After about a week I noticed that I never "accidentally" bumped off the thumb safety, nor pulled the trigger. I started then carrying it chambered and have ever since. Granted, it is a 1911 with grip and thumb safeties, but I would still do it with a Glock. Just make sure that your holster covers the trigger area.

I also carry my BUG "chambered" (It's a revolver in .38 Special ).
Excatly ... as long as you keep your booger hooks of the fucking trigger the gun wont fire. The only reason you dont carry a round in the chamber is you dont trust yourself, maybe rightfully so.
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eh, I have found that when i wake up to a noise I am pretty alert. BTW ... the key word in your post is "grandfather" ... how to defend yourself has changed alot in the last 50 years. Shit moves along alot faster and pussy punks dont have knifes anymore ... they carry stolen guns. just my .02
i agree alot has changed in 50 years. but this was his position on the subject as of 10 years ago before he passed away. he lived on a lake, and alot of the homes there were just weekend/vacation houses. pick a holiday and its no different than a college town. real easy for some drunk kid to get confused and walk into the wrong house.
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i agree alot has changed in 50 years. but this was his position on the subject as of 10 years ago before he passed away. he lived on a lake, and alot of the homes there were just weekend/vacation houses. pick a holiday and its no different than a college town. real easy for some drunk kid to get confused and walk into the wrong house.
he knew that and thats why he did it that way
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And that kids, is why we lock our doors
i agree completely but people that live in small towns dont half the time. i never understood it


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I voted chambered.. but it would depend on what I carry. I carry a H&K that i can shoot double action on the first shot. I don't know it I would carry that way with a glock or some other type of single action pistol.

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I voted chambered.. but it would depend on what I carry. I carry a H&K that i can shoot double action on the first shot. I don't know it I would carry that way with a glock or some other type of single action pistol.
Why not? All you have to do is be mindful of the trigger, thats all there is to it.

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What if you find yourself in this situation:

https://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=382950

If you rack the slide, you're going to do nothing but attract (unwanted) attention to yourself. The other guy already has his gun out and presumably loaded.

Why would you give someone more of an advantage by bringing an uloaded weapon to a gunfight????
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Why not? All you have to do is be mindful of the trigger, thats all there is to it.

ETA: A glock is a double action
Well Glock calls is a double action..but it does not really seem to work like that. My pistol has a de cock that will allow the first pull to be longer(harder) to fire...the next few are single action.. the Glock really does not have that function. now I would say anyone TRAINED to carry this weapon this way uses this as an advantage. The problem with those who are not are they are more likley to shoot on mistake(and shoot themselves or who the hell knows what). I am not arguing the fact that the Glock is a single action(the manufacturer says different..safe-action)..just stating the reality of the function of the weapon.

While we are on the subject of this how many carry with the safety off(Glock owners aside)? My safety if off and the gun is chambered.

O AND BY NO WAY AM I SAYING A GLOCK IS NOT A GOOD GUN/DOES NOT FUNCTION WELL/IS MADE WRONG/ BLAH BLAH BLAH.. I know how sensitive most Glock owners are. I own one I love it and where I work they issue it.

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Thanks for posting guys - good feedback for sure, and some things to consider.

What suprises me the most is that so many people refer to a gun without a bullet in the chamber, but a full clip locked in as "un-loaded".
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The only reason you dont carry a round in the chamber is you dont trust yourself, maybe rightfully so.
I completly disagree on this one, at least for my own personal experiance.
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Thanks for posting guys - good feedback for sure, and some things to consider.

What suprises me the most is that so many people refer to a gun without a bullet in the chamber, but a full clip locked in as "un-loaded".

If you pull the trigger and nothing happens, either the safety is on or it is unloaded.

The command on the firing line is lock and load. You lock a magazine into place and load a round into the chamber.
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I completly disagree on this one, at least for my own personal experiance.
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If you pull the trigger and nothing happens, either the safety is on or it is unloaded.
I understand the literal meaning of the term "loaded" vs. "unloaded" I am just suprised that so many people take it to the exreme literal sense.

If someone handed me a gun and said it was unloaded, I would feel suprised to find out it has a full clip of rounds in it.
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I understand the literal meaning of the term "loaded" vs. "unloaded" I am just suprised that so many people take it to the exreme literal sense.

If someone handed me a gun and said it was unloaded, I would feel suprised to find out it has a full clip of rounds in it.
everygun in my house that works is loaded. well except the powder gun but that thing is a pita. only my carry gun has a round chambered. before i show or i hand one of my guns to anyone i unload it.


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absolutley.....

I just do not feel that it is a self trust issue for me. I have been around handguns and rifles since I was a kid, and I continue to own guns today. I practice at the range a few times a month as well as take steps to keep myself heathly and mentally sharp and aware. I have complete trust in myself to react and make good decicions under extreme pressure, if I did not I would have never decided to get a CHL and actively carry.
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I say do what ever you are comfortable with and good at. I believe that the IDF used the unloaded chamber method of drawing, rack, and fire but it was a political motivation not a practical one. And they practiced a lot!

I would never have an empty chamber and for a defensive handgun, rifle, or shotgun I can't think of any modern trainer that I have met or heard of that recommended the unloaded chamber method unless it was for legal or political reasons.

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Well Glock calls is a double action..but it does not really seem to work like that. My pistol has a de cock that will allow the first pull to be longer(harder) to fire...the next few are single action.. the Glock really does not have that function. now I would say anyone TRAINED to carry this weapon this way uses this as an advantage. The problem with those who are not are they are more likley to shoot on mistake(and shoot themselves or who the hell knows what). I am not arguing the fact that the Glock is a single action(the manufacturer says different..safe-action)..just stating the reality of the function of the weapon.

While we are on the subject of this how many carry with the safety off(Glock owners aside)? My safety if off and the gun is chambered.

O AND BY NO WAY AM I SAYING A GLOCK IS NOT A GOOD GUN/DOES NOT FUNCTION WELL/IS MADE WRONG/ BLAH BLAH BLAH.. I know how sensitive most Glock owners are. I own one I love it and where I work they issue it.
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What would happen if you got shot in your left arm and couldnt rack the slide? Always keep it loaded and ready to fire.

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Well I can certainly understand your apprehension. I was hesitant at first carrying my Glock chambered when I got my first one back in the early 90's. They were relatively new and unheard of back than it was my first gun not to have some sort of slide safety. I eventually got used to it and having a good holster really helped. I didn't have the same apprehension with my 1911 I might ad.




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I say do what ever you are comfortable with and good at. I believe that the IDF used the unloaded chamber method of drawing, rack, and fire but it was a political motivation not a practical one. And they practiced a lot!

I would never have an empty chamber and for a defensive handgun, rifle, or shotgun I can't think of any modern trainer that I have met or heard of that recommended the unloaded chamber method unless it was for legal or political reasons.

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I carry a Beretta mod 96-d always chambered. It is a double only, but I would still have it chambered if it was a single. I also keep a chambered shot gun in the house(safty on) in case my wife needs it, if i am not home. My dad always told me " keep one in the chamber you never know".


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I've been in LEO for almost 18 years, and I've never seen ANY agency train their members to carry an unchambered weapon.
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