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Well last night about 1:00 am I got pulled over by DWG for no front license plate. I was actually pulling in my driveway when he pulled up behind me and flipped on his lights. I had been at a buddys house and forgot to grab my wallet when I left. I had to go inside my house and get my DL. Then I realized I forgot to give him CHL so I go back inside and got my new insurance card and my CHL. After sitting in his tahoe for a little bit, he comes back up to me and said he was going to issue me a fix it ticket and basically said to just go to the courthouse and show them the plate on the front and my DL. He then proceeds to tell me he is not going to do anything about not presenting my CHL initially. I told him I was not carrying at the moment and I did not need to carry it. He told me that it was required by law that I carry it regardless if I am carrying or not. I just kept my mouth shut, but I do plan on taking a copy of the book with me to court to prove him wrong.

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proving a cop wrong will usually cause said cop to be harder on you next time...

Laws change so often that it's difficult for every cop to keep up with all of them all at once. That's why they carry a book with the Penal Code for reference.

A word of advise for you though...

Leave it be and always carry your license with you. When you are stopped, present both DL and CHL and you will be fine, regardless of your carry status.

I would rather hand the officer my plastic when I'm not carrying than have him run my DL and find out that way that I have a CHL, he will then come back and ask why you didn't hand over your CHL and if you were carrying, ect. Cops jobs are stressful enough as it is. They don't need us CHLers adding to it by surprising them with that information instead of being up front.

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Well last night about 1:00 am I got pulled over by DWG for no front license plate. I was actually pulling in my driveway when he pulled up behind me and flipped on his lights. I had been at a buddys house and forgot to grab my wallet when I left. I had to go inside my house and get my DL. Then I realized I forgot to give him CHL so I go back inside and got my new insurance card and my CHL. After sitting in his tahoe for a little bit, he comes back up to me and said he was going to issue me a fix it ticket and basically said to just go to the courthouse and show them the plate on the front and my DL. He then proceeds to tell me he is not going to do anything about not presenting my CHL initially. I told him I was not carrying at the moment and I did not need to carry it. He told me that it was required by law that I carry it regardless if I am carrying or not. I just kept my mouth shut, but I do plan on taking a copy of the book with me to court to prove him wrong.
Was he a really young kid? Or was he older with dark hair?
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i was told in my class to always present both. carrying or not


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proving a cop wrong will usually cause said cop to be harder on you next time...

Laws change so often that it's difficult for every cop to keep up with all of them all at once. That's why they carry a book with the Penal Code for reference.

A word of advise for you though...

Leave it be and always carry your license with you. When you are stopped, present both DL and CHL and you will be fine, regardless of your carry status.

I would rather hand the officer my plastic when I'm not carrying than have him run my DL and find out that way that I have a CHL, he will then come back and ask why you didn't hand over your CHL and if you were carrying, ect. Cops jobs are stressful enough as it is. They don't need us CHLers adding to it by surprising them with that information instead of being up front.
I do not think that law has changed. I know it hasn't since I took the class anyways. I do however always carry my license with me at all times, I just left it at home in my wallet by accident. And DWG police don't have a stressful job. All they do is sit around waiting for someone to go 3 mph over the speed limit. I know two people that work for them, their jobs are not stessful at all.


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Was he a really young kid? Or was he older with dark hair?

He was a younger guy, pretty skinny. He didn't look real young though, probably late 20's or ealy 30's. I know two guys that I went to school with that work for them, so hopefully they can help me get them dismissed.

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i was told in my class to always present both. carrying or not
I was told that in my class that it was considered a courtesy to present both because dispatch will always come back and tell them you have a CHL. But I was also told that you are not required to carry your chl license if you are not carrying. My CHL stays right behind my DL in my wallet. My sister grabbed my DL and gave it to the officer and she did not know to get my CHL. I had to go get my insurance and I got the CHL when I saw she did not give it to him. He then tried to tell me that failure to present a CHL, carrying or not, was an offense.

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He was a younger guy, pretty skinny. He didn't look real young though, probably late 20's or ealy 30's. I know two guys that I went to school with that work for them, so hopefully they can help me get them dismissed.

Alright. The reason I ask is because a pair of DWG officers were at the end of my street, one was like 19, maybe. I drove out of my street, then realized I forgot the liquor, turned around and grabbed it, came back to the end of my street to get onto fielder, and the kid walks over to my window and taps real hard on my glass. I rolled down the window and he said "Can I help you with something" and then stared me down, I chuckled and said "No, thank you" and then he shot back "Well, you've been driving back and forth" waiting on another answer, so I said "Yeah, I live here, I have to pass you when I go to my house." And he continued "Well, I just wanted to make sure" and strolled off.

I'm pretty young myself, but shit I just can't respect a kid that looks like he is in high school and being a cocky little shit.

But as for departments, I'd rather have DWG pull me over every time than arlington or pantego, they always give me the shaft. It's not every day you're able to talk yourself out of a 3 year expired registration and inspection twice.
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Dalworthington Gardens, its just a small area north of I20 that is basically Arlington... Infamous for speed trap, kinda like westworth on this side of town

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A worthless town that should've been annexed by force by Arlington decades ago.
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While it is not a law, it is a courtesy and will usually get you a lighter ticket ( in my experience).

Even if you aren't carrying, the cop is going to assume you are if you are a CHL holder. Better to tell him upfront.

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does it matter if your a CHL holder or not?

isnt it legal now in texas to carry a handgun in your car but not on your person?

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does it matter if your a CHL holder or not?

isnt it legal now in texas to carry a handgun in your car but not on your person?
it is however if you have the liscence and your weapon you are supposed to present it. the cop does not know whether you have it or not


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proving a cop wrong will usually cause said cop to be harder on you next time...

Laws change so often that it's difficult for every cop to keep up with all of them all at once. That's why they carry a book with the Penal Code for reference.

A word of advise for you though...

Leave it be and always carry your license with you. When you are stopped, present both DL and CHL and you will be fine, regardless of your carry status.

I would rather hand the officer my plastic when I'm not carrying than have him run my DL and find out that way that I have a CHL, he will then come back and ask why you didn't hand over your CHL and if you were carrying, ect. Cops jobs are stressful enough as it is. They don't need us CHLers adding to it by surprising them with that information instead of being up front.
I have to disagree on the "always present the CHL, regardless of carry status"
If im not carrying, i wouldnt present mine. Some officers hate the CHL, and think only law enforcement should carry. If you were gonna get off on a warning, and this cop is, one of those cops, maybe could have just gotten you a ticket.
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The whole point to presenting your license, is that he can then ask if you have your weapon with you. If you don't, it's no biggie, and if you do, he may ask where it is just so he knows. But when he pulls you up on his computer, he will have to "assume" you have a weapon. I would like to know beforehand if a guy has his weapon or not. It's a courtesy, though I'm not sure it's law.

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i would tell every cop im packing even without a chl just to be curtious but,police dont all inforce the law the same.to much is actually left up to the cop.

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The law says that if you aren't carrying you don't have to give it to him. The guy you talked to must be an idiot. I'm not suprised since we are talking about Dalworthington Gardens, their police force is really top notch!
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The whole point to presenting your license, is that he can then ask if you have your weapon with you. If you don't, it's no biggie, and if you do, he may ask where it is just so he knows. But when he pulls you up on his computer, he will have to "assume" you have a weapon. I would like to know beforehand if a guy has his weapon or not. It's a courtesy, though I'm not sure it's law.
Common sense applies but the law is on Billybobs side. I always wonder about this though, if the law states I don't have to present my CHL when not carrying then why would I? I think I have given up enough of my rights as to not have to worry about what the cops think if I am not breaking any laws. If I am responsible enough to obtain a CHL then I should be responsible enough to abide by the written laws that govern it, without harrassment or idle threats from ignorants law enforcement personnel.


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Common sense applies but the law is on Billybobs side. I always wonder about this though, if the law states I don't have to present my CHL when not carrying then why would I? I think I have given up enough of my rights as to not have to worry about what the cops think if I am not breaking any laws. If I am responsible enough to obtain a CHL then I should be responsible enough to abide by the written laws that govern it, without harrassment or idle threats from ignorants law enforcement personnel.
A CHL, just like a drivers license, is not a right. It is a privelege.
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A CHL, just like a drivers license, is not a right. It is a privelege.
Well, I might have to disagree with you there. The ability to defend yourself with a gun is a constitutional right, not a privilege. Don't let the bureaucracy confuse you.
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Well, I might have to disagree with you there. The ability to defend yourself with a gun is a constitutional right, not a privilege. Don't let the bureaucracy confuse you.
Well, because of the liberal train of thought, you can only legally do so in your home. Think about it. Men used to carry firearms out in the open, and not just a select few, but ALL men.

We have "civilized" ourselves into being the perfect unarmed victim.
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A CHL, just like a drivers license, is not a right. It is a privelege.
I never stated that the CHL was a right, I stated that

"if the law states I don't have to present my CHL when not carrying then why would I."

Did I ever state that the CHL was a right?
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Well, because of the liberal train of thought, you can only legally do so in your home. Think about it. Men used to carry firearms out in the open, and not just a select few, but ALL men.

We have "civilized" ourselves into being the perfect unarmed victim.
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Well, I might have to disagree with you there. The ability to defend yourself with a gun is a constitutional right, not a privilege. Don't let the bureaucracy confuse you.
To keep and bear arms is a Constitutional Right. The keeping and bearing of said arms in a concealed fashion is not a Constitutional Right. A concealed handgun "license" is a privelege added onto that Constitutional Right, a privilege which can be suspended by the State just like a drivers license can be suspended.
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To keep and bear arms is a Constitutional Right. The keeping and bearing of said arms in a concealed fashion is not a Constitutional Right. A concealed handgun "license" is a privelege added onto that Constitutional Right, a privilege which can be suspended by the State just like a drivers license can be suspended.
You are implying that one can "open carry" and that's just not legal. Our "right to bear arms" has been highly modified against the intent of our founding fathers.
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Alright. The reason I ask is because a pair of DWG officers were at the end of my street, one was like 19, maybe. I drove out of my street, then realized I forgot the liquor, turned around and grabbed it, came back to the end of my street to get onto fielder, and the kid walks over to my window and taps real hard on my glass. I rolled down the window and he said "Can I help you with something" and then stared me down, I chuckled and said "No, thank you" and then he shot back "Well, you've been driving back and forth" waiting on another answer, so I said "Yeah, I live here, I have to pass you when I go to my house." And he continued "Well, I just wanted to make sure" and strolled off.

I'm pretty young myself, but shit I just can't respect a kid that looks like he is in high school and being a cocky little shit.

But as for departments, I'd rather have DWG pull me over every time than arlington or pantego, they always give me the shaft. It's not every day you're able to talk yourself out of a 3 year expired registration and inspection twice.


I know who you are talking about now. This was not the young looking kid. I think that guy just barely graduated high school, got a badge, and now his head is so big I don't know how he gets in his car.

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If he has the right to turn his lights on in your neighborhood, then I would leave it alone. He could retaliate by, not patroling your area, and give you hell everytime you come home.

DWG will write a ticket for you not saying your birthdate out loud to him, even though he stared at your DL license for five minutes.

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If he has the right to turn his lights on in your neighborhood, then I would leave it alone. He could retaliate by, not patroling your area, and give you hell everytime you come home.

DWG will write a ticket for you not saying your birthdate out loud to him, even though he stared at your DL license for five minutes.
well technically he was way the hell into arlington, so far in fact that he shouldn't have been in my neighborhood at all.
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To keep and bear arms is a Constitutional Right. The keeping and bearing of said arms in a concealed fashion is not a Constitutional Right. A concealed handgun "license" is a privelege added onto that Constitutional Right, a privilege which can be suspended by the State just like a drivers license can be suspended.
This would be the bureaucratic clout I was referring to. You're essentially saying carrying a weapon is a privilege, it was never intended to be so, and the "right to bear arms" was not meant to be hacked up, I understand what you're saying, but I'm referring to the interpretation as already being in violation of the 2nd amendment. Any state or government regulation that even mentions the word "gun" is an infringement on that right. A "License" is not something "added onto" it's something taken away and now discretionary.
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well technically he was way the hell into arlington, so far in fact that he shouldn't have been in my neighborhood at all.
You did know that the state legislature expanded the legal jurisdiction of an officer to any city that is in the county that his original commission is in? So, for example, I have the same authority in Arlington/Westworth Village/DWG/Grapevien, Hurst, etc.... that I do in my city (Fort Worth).

Since FTW also is in Parker, Johnson, and Wise county, the authority extends there as well...

I love it when someone pulls the "you're not in your jurisdiction anymore" crap....
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You did know that the state legislature expanded the legal jurisdiction of an officer to any city that is in the county that his original commission is in? So, for example, I have the same authority in Arlington/Westworth Village/DWG/Grapevien, Hurst, etc.... that I do in my city (Fort Worth).

Since FTW also is in Parker, Johnson, and Wise county, the authority extends there as well...

I love it when someone pulls the "you're not in your jurisdiction anymore" crap....
I have always understood that. I'm not sure if a "jurisdiction" ever meant anything since I've been alive, even before that if the crime in question was committed or observed by whatever city you were in they could pursue you indefinitely to my understanding. I was just saying I found it incredibly out of the ordinary to have a DWG cop about 18 blocks east of their city line giving me shit in my neighborhood.
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I have always understood that. I'm not sure if a "jurisdiction" ever meant anything since I've been alive, even before that if the crime in question was committed or observed by whatever city you were in they could pursue you indefinitely to my understanding. I was just saying I found it incredibly out of the ordinary to have a DWG cop about 18 blocks east of their city line giving me shit in my neighborhood.
Yea, that's shady unless he followed you from his city limits...... The recent change (a couple years ago) includes misdomeaners. What you were referring to is more or less felony pursuits.
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You are implying that one can "open carry" and that's just not legal. Our "right to bear arms" has been highly modified against the intent of our founding fathers.
I'm not implying that one can "open carry" at all. I simply maintain that a CHL is a privelege, not a right. Nothing more than that.
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If he has the right to turn his lights on in your neighborhood, then I would leave it alone. He could retaliate by, not patroling your area, and give you hell everytime you come home.

DWG will write a ticket for you not saying your birthdate out loud to him, even though he stared at your DL license for five minutes.
I really don't give a damn if he patrols my area or not. I don't live in DWG and he doesn't patrol my area anyway. Like Al P said, DWG cops aren't exactly top notch. All they know how to do is look for BS reasons to pull you over and hope they get to take you in. I was stopped back in high school by DWG just so he could ask me if I had been to a party and see if I was drinking. He then tried to get me to tell him if I knew were any parties were.

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well technically he was way the hell into arlington, so far in fact that he shouldn't have been in my neighborhood at all.
I have been pulled over by DWG on Fielder, and Arkansas. I am guessing if the crime was commited in DWG, then they can follow you into Arlington. Even though I was pulled over for having warrants on my plates. (not mine)

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I really don't give a damn if he patrols my area or not. I don't live in DWG and he doesn't patrol my area anyway. Like Al P said, DWG cops aren't exactly top notch. All they know how to do is look for BS reasons to pull you over and hope they get to take you in. I was stopped back in high school by DWG just so he could ask me if I had been to a party and see if I was drinking. He then tried to get me to tell him if I knew were any parties were.
I had the exact same thing happen when after he found out I wasn't Guadalupe Contraras. They just gamble, and hope they find some money.

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I'm not implying that one can "open carry" at all. I simply maintain that a CHL is a privelege, not a right. Nothing more than that.
I did not question the CHL as a right? You made an assumption due the fact you could not comprehend my original statement "the law states I don't have to present my CHL when not carrying then why would I?". I made no mention of the CHL as a right, you misread/misquoted me in an earlier post. A simple " I was wrong" will do.

Face it you were wrong and you misspelled privilege in post 20 and this quote above.
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If you knew how to write properly, there would be no "misreading/misquoting" would there? How exactly does one "misquote" anyway? A quote is quote, a copy of your own writing.

Who gives a crap if I misspell privelege LOL anyway? Only someone with their panties in a wad, that's who.

Nothing's changed, a CHL is a privelege LOL, got it?
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When im back in Texas, I always carry my Ruger .357 under my seat. I have no CHL, and get pulled over often. I have never once mentioned it. Its not important if im pulled for speeding. Its none of his business if i dont plan to use it.

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When im back in Texas, I always carry my Ruger .357 under my seat. I have no CHL, and get pulled over often. I have never once mentioned it. Its not important if im pulled for speeding. Its none of his business if i dont plan to use it.
Just hope that if you do get pulled over, the LEO doesn't stand to the front of your windshield and look down between your legs and see the grips. If he does, then you're UCW. I can't tell you how many gangstas I've hauled off because they didn't hide their gat well enough, or it slid out from under the seat.
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just hope that if you do get pulled over, the leo doesn't stand to the front of your windshield and look down between your legs and see the grips. If he does, then you're ucw. I can't tell you how many gangstas i've hauled off because they didn't hide their gat well enough, or it slid out from under the seat.
ucw? unconcealed weapon?
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ucw? unconcealed weapon?
Unlawful Carrying of a Weapon.
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Unlawful Carrying of a Weapon.
Ah. I carry mine in my teeth. Like a real man.
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I'm not implying that one can "open carry" at all. I simply maintain that a CHL is a privelege, not a right. Nothing more than that.
it is a right as dictated in our constitution... open carry is a right... doesn't mean that the right hasn't been unjustly stolen by the current regime!!
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Just hope that if you do get pulled over, the LEO doesn't stand to the front of your windshield and look down between your legs and see the grips. If he does, then you're UCW. I can't tell you how many gangstas I've hauled off because they didn't hide their gat well enough, or it slid out from under the seat.
mine rides under the console/armrest of my truck... can't see me!
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mine rides under the console/armrest of my truck... can't see me!
Why carry it if you can't get to it quickly??? Right???
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it is a right as dictated in our constitution... open carry is a right... doesn't mean that the right hasn't been unjustly stolen by the current regime!!
I would certainly support open carry myself.
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it is a right as dictated in our constitution... open carry is a right... doesn't mean that the right hasn't been unjustly stolen by the current regime!!
Word. It is our constitutional right to bear arms - concealed or in plain view.


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Just hope that if you do get pulled over, the LEO doesn't stand to the front of your windshield and look down between your legs and see the grips. If he does, then you're UCW. I can't tell you how many gangstas I've hauled off because they didn't hide their gat well enough, or it slid out from under the seat.
So i guess you're in some form of law enforcement? Thats great, and thanks for chiming in. I understand, as soon as someone sees it, ive broken the law, it is back far enough, so i think, that no one can see it. I will check that, thanks for squaring me away.

Heres a question for ya. I would consider this a bad idea. But what if my place of concealment was the glove box. Obviously its out of site, but when i open it to grab my insurance, bam, theres the grip?
Same goes to those nifty console holes. Consoles closed, im good, i open to grab my wallet for the officer, and bam, theres a handle.
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So i guess you're in some form of law enforcement? Thats great, and thanks for chiming in. I understand, as soon as someone sees it, ive broken the law, it is back far enough, so i think, that no one can see it. I will check that, thanks for squaring me away.

Heres a question for ya. I would consider this a bad idea. But what if my place of concealment was the glove box. Obviously its out of site, but when i open it to grab my insurance, bam, theres the grip?
Same goes to those nifty console holes. Consoles closed, im good, i open to grab my wallet for the officer, and bam, theres a handle.
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Well, if you're asked to provide insurance and you say you have it in the glove box, and also have a weapon, you are opening under direction of the officer, and it is not considered "in plain view". Same with center console.

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