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Talking The Difference Between ARs, AKs and Mosin Nagants

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THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AK'S/AR'S/ AND NAGANTS

Three Rifles That Made History Compared Side By Side
(you won't see this on History Channel's special History Of The Gun)

The AK




The AR





The Mosin Nagant





(AK) It works though you have never cleaned it. Ever.
(AR) You have $9 per ounce special non-detergent synthetic Teflon infused oil for cleaning.
(Mosin Nagant) It was last cleaned in Berlin in 1945.

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(AK)You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from inside.
(AR)You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from 600 meters.
(Mosin Nagant)You can hit the farm from two counties over.

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(AK)Cheap mags are fun to buy.
(AR)Cheap mags melt.
(Mosin Nagant)What's a mag?

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(AK)Your safety can be heard from 300 meters away.
(AR)You can silently flip off the safety with your finger on the trigger.
(Mosin Nagant)What's a safety?

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(AK)Your rifle comes with a cheap nylon sling.
(AR)Your rifle has a 9 point stealth tactical suspension system.
(Mosin Nagant)You rifle has dog collars.

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(AK)Your bayonet makes a good wire cutter.
(AR)Your bayonet is actually a pretty good steak knife.
(Mosin Nagant)Your bayonet is longer than your leg.

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(AK)You can put a .30" hole through 12" of oak, if you can hit it.
(AR)You can put one hole in a paper target at 100 meters with 30 rounds.
(Mosin Nagant)You can knock down everyone else's target with the shock wave of your bullet going downrange.

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(AK)When out of ammo your rifle will nominally pass as a club.
(AR)When out of ammo, your rifle makes a great wiffle bat.
(Mosin Nagant)When out of ammo, your rifle makes a supreme war club, pike, boat oar, tent pole, or firewood.

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(AK)Recoil is manageable, even fun.
(AR)What's recoil?
(Mosin Nagant)Recoil is often used to relocated shoulders thrown out by the previous shot.

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(AK)Your sight adjustment goes to "10", and you've never bothered moving it.
(AR)Your sight adjustment is incremented in fractions of minute of angle.
(Mosin Nagant)Your sight adjustment goes to 12 miles and you've actually tried it.

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(AK)Your rifle can be used by any two bit nation's most illiterate conscripts to fight elite forces worldwide.
(AR)Your rifle is used by elite forces worldwide to fight two bit nations' most illiterate conscripts.
(Mosin Nagant)Your rifle has fought against itself and won every time.

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(AK)Your rifle won some revolutions.
(AR)Your rifle won the Cold War.
(Mosin Nagant)Your rifle won a pole vault event.

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(AK)You paid $350.
(AR)You paid $900.
(Mosin Nagant)You paid $59.95.

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(AK)You buy cheap ammo by the case.
(AR)You lovingly reload precision crafted rounds one by one.
(Mosin Nagant)You dig your ammo out of a farmer's field in Ukraine and it works just fine.

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(AK)You can intimidate your foe with the bayonet mounted.
(AR)You foes laugh when you mount your bayonet.
(Mosin Nagant)You can bayonet your foe on the other side of the river without leaving the comfort of your hole.

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(AK)Service life, 50 years.
(AR)Service life, 40 years.
(Mosin Nagant)Service life, 100 years, and counting.

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(AK)It's easier to buy a new rifle when you want to change cartridge sizes.
(AR)You can change cartridge sizes with the push of a couple of pins and a new upper.
(Mosin Nagant)You believe no real man would dare risk the ridicule of his friends by suggesting there is anything but 7.62x54r.

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(AK)You can repair your rifle with a big hammer and a swift kick.
(AR)You can repair your rifle by taking it to a certified gunsmith, it's under warranty!
(Mosin Nagant)If your rifle breaks, you buy a new one.

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(AK)You consider it a badge of honor when you get your handguards to burst into flames.
(AR)You consider it a badge of honor when you shoot a sub-MOA 5 shot group.
(Mosin Nagant)You consider it a badge of honor when you cycle 5 rounds without the aid of a 2x4.

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(AK)After a long day the range you relax by watching "Red Dawn".
(AR)After a long day at the range you relax by watching "Blackhawk Down".
(Mosin Nagant)After a long day at the range you relax by visiting the chiropractor.

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(AK)After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for a stiff shot of Vodka.
(AR)After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for hotdogs and apple pie.
(Mosin Nagant)After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for shishkabob.

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(AK)You can accessorize you rifle with a new muzzle brake or a nice stock set.
(AR)Your rifle's accessories are eight times more valuable than your rifle.
(Mosin Nagant)Your rifle's accessory is a small tin can with a funny lid, but it's buried under an apartment building somewhere in Budapest.

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(AK)Your rifle's finish is varnish and paint.
(AR)Your rifle's finish is Teflon and high tech polymers.
(Mosin Nagant)Your rifle's finish is low grade shellac, cosmoline and Olga's toe nails.

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(AK)Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Mikhail Kalashnikov.
(AR)Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Eugene Stoner.
(Mosin Nagant)You're not sure there WERE cameras to photograph Sergei Mosin.

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(AK)Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to hold your rifle over your head and shout "Wolverines!"
(AR)Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to clear your house, slicing the pie from room to room.
(Mosin Nagant)Late at night, you sometimes have to fight the urge to dig a fighting trench in the the yard to sleep in.

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There you have it. In the end, it is clear to any open minded inquirer that the Mosin Nagant is the most superior weapon of all time, but the AR and the AK come out as a draw when compared side by side.


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I shall look at my Nagant in a whole different light from now on!
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good read. I keep my ak and ar-15 stored away, and i have my mosin thrown in a closet.. maybe ill put it somewhere better now. lol.

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Mosin Nagant

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Ive never heard a Nagant until this past weekend at the gun range and holy shit. You can hear that thing a mile away.

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I had a pretty good chuckle at that. Nice find!

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(AK)Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to hold your rifle over your head and shout "Wolverines!"


True story
Oh yeah, like you even TRY and fight it!

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Ive never heard a Nagant until this past weekend at the gun range and holy shit. You can hear that thing a mile away.
Its not THAT bad

Theyre fucking fun to shoot though. I bought 440rds(split it with a friend) and thought id be good on ammo for a while, but no, I love shooting this thing

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The Mosin Nagant round is somewhat close to the Enfield .303 round.

Both have a considerable charge and can do some major damage.

I've seen what a British .303 will do to a human head at close range (suicide) and it's just like hitting a watermelon. The head disentigrated. The guy did it under 820 near a boat ramp and parts of him were stuck on the bottom of the loop 50' above the ground surface.
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The Mosin Nagant round is somewhat close to the Enfield .303 round.

Both have a considerable charge and can do some major damage.

I've seen what a British .303 will do to a human head at close range (suicide) and it's just like hitting a watermelon. The head disentigrated. The guy did it under 820 near a boat ramp and parts of him were stuck on the bottom of the loop 50' above the ground surface.
under 820 near a boat ramp?

would it happen to be over there between randoll mill and trinity?
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under 820 near a boat ramp?

would it happen to be over there between randoll mill and trinity?
No, it was around the Northwest loop at Cohoba (sp?)
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The Mosin Nagant round is somewhat close to the Enfield .303 round.

Both have a considerable charge and can do some major damage.

I've seen what a British .303 will do to a human head at close range (suicide) and it's just like hitting a watermelon. The head disentigrated. The guy did it under 820 near a boat ramp and parts of him were stuck on the bottom of the loop 50' above the ground surface.
Better to have overkill than underkill. I worked one where some fool shot himself in the temple with a .25 auto. The round penetrated the skin, hit the skull, deflected and came back out. All he got was a serious headache and a trip to JPS. He was even more depressed after the suicide attempt than before; He failed at killing himself!

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Better to have overkill than underkill. I worked one where some fool shot himself in the temple with a .25 auto. The round penetrated the skin, hit the skull, deflected and came back out. All he got was a serious headache and a trip to JPS. He was even more depressed after the suicide attempt than before; He failed at killing himself!
.25 auto.... hehehe.
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Its not THAT bad

Theyre fucking fun to shoot though. I bought 440rds(split it with a friend) and thought id be good on ammo for a while, but no, I love shooting this thing
haha It shook the ground. Did you pick one up??

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haha It shook the ground. Did you pick one up??
Hellz yeah! I love that thing, I want to pick up a M44 too, badass rifles, bang for the buck wise.

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I badly want a 91/30 to restore like I did my M44. If anyone has one that wants to sell it, let me know. I don't care how shitty it looks, all I care about is the action and the bore.
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Mosin are great guns... i got the 91/30 and m44...been lookin to get one of the M44s with out the folding bayonet, think its a M38..... best ones to get are the ones that were made by some of the factorys that only made a few thousand of them.....as oppsited to the ones that made millions of them.
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I'm thinking about getting one of these. Aren't there several different kinds? How do these rank?

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Hahaha! They have safeties! (although I'm afraid to try and engage it!!)... pulling the unprotected hammer back against that stiff spring and trying to twist it using that teeny round pull knob seems a heckuva lot more dangerous than just not touching it! I just leave the bolt open until I've got it pointed downrange and ready to go bang!
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I'm thinking about getting one of these. Aren't there several different kinds? How do these rank?

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/R...in_Nagant.html
Those are russian, that's authentic alright. The best is generally agreed to be the Hungarian rifles, and the very best and rarest/expensive nagant is the Hungarian M92 sniper rifle - which goes for around $2,500.
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I saw this the other day. Good shit for sure.

I have a 1953 Hungarian M44 and a 1942 Tula (Russian) 91/30.

You wouldn't even have to hit someone with the M44, the sound alone would scare the shit out of them.
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Hmm......that's cheap watermelon popper. Are there any parts like the mauser's? I'm thinking along the lines of a black carbon frame, scope and tri-pod. But for 60 bux....is there a downside to these guns?

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Hmm......that's cheap watermelon popper. Are there any parts like the mauser's? I'm thinking along the lines of a black carbon frame, scope and tri-pod. But for 60 bux....is there a downside to these guns?
yep everything is available.


The downside is the bolt needs to be turned if you want to use a scope in the proper location. They make cheap mounts in front of the bolt, but you need an infinite relief scope which are expensive, and it looks ridiculous.
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Here's a solution that includes a bolt modification.

http://www.galatiinternational.com/M...Code=ATMOI0600

By the way I have a 91/30 (1916 I think) that I would part with. Doesn't need a restomod though.

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Here's a solution that includes a bolt modification.

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By the way I have a 91/30 (1916 I think) that I would part with. Doesn't need a restomod though.

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Here's a solution that includes a bolt modification.

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By the way I have a 91/30 (1916 I think) that I would part with. Doesn't need a restomod though.

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Funny read. Especially:

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