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.223 Ammo

I was wondering which kind of ammo is best for my AR and which I should stay away from? When I read the manual for my DPMS it said it only recommends brass casing ammo. Can I still use the cheaper ammo or should I go ahead and get the more expensive brass? Im asking because I'm about to stock up and want to get the most for my money.. but I don't want to fuck up my gun by shooting the wrong stuff.

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I was wondering which kind of ammo is best for my AR and which I should stay away from? When I read the manual for my DPMS it said it only recommends brass casing ammo. Can I still use the cheaper ammo or should I go ahead and get the more expensive brass? Im asking because I'm about to stock up and want to get the most for my money.. but I don't want to fuck up my gun by shooting the wrong stuff.

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You won't fuck up your gun by running steel cased Russian ammo. The common myth is that the steel cased stuff is hard on extractors (brass is a softer metal than steel). I've run almost nothing but Wolf through my Bushmaster since 1996 and have the same extractor that it came with.

I would buy as much Wolf .223 steel cased stuff with the polymer coating (not the green colored lacquered cases) as I could afford if I were you.
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Monarch green box is also very good ammo for the price.
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You won't fuck up your gun by running steel cased Russian ammo. The common myth is that the steel cased stuff is hard on extractors (brass is a softer metal than steel). I've run almost nothing but Wolf through my Bushmaster since 1996 and have the same extractor that it came with.

I would buy as much Wolf .223 steel cased stuff with the polymer coating (not the green colored lacquered cases) as I could afford if I were you.
Ok, thanks Ive heard alot of mixed reviews about the WOLF Ammo and just wanted to make sure. something about gooey stuff sticking to the chamber. So the green laquer is Like Barnaul .223 Ammo? Or .223 that looks like the 7.62 WOLF MC?

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Monarch green box is also very good ammo for the price.
They sell Monarch at Academy's right? I have some .357 HP Mags from them and they look like decent ammo.

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Ok, thanks Ive heard alot of mixed reviews about the WOLF Ammo and just wanted to make sure. something about gooey stuff sticking to the chamber. So the green laquer is Like Barnaul .223 Ammo? Or .223 that looks like the 7.62 WOLF MC?


They sell Monarch at Academy's right? I have some .357 HP Mags from them and they look like decent ammo.
lately it's been hard to find monarch green box.

http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=210

read that thread.
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Ok, thanks Ive heard alot of mixed reviews about the WOLF Ammo and just wanted to make sure. something about gooey stuff sticking to the chamber.
Its just carbom deposits ... not a big deal if you clean your rifle like you should
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Buy the polymer coated stuff. It looks like this:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=131546

Avoid the green lacquer coated stuff. It looks like this:


http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=341304

I know the bottom link is 7.62x39, but the coloring is the same...
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Buy the polymer coated stuff. It looks like this:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=131546

Avoid the green lacquer coated stuff. It looks like this:


http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=341304

I know the bottom link is 7.62x39, but the coloring is the same...
I've shot both coatings and I've been pleased with both. Why do you avoid lacquer coatings?
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I've shot both coatings and I've been pleased with both. Why do you avoid lacquer coatings?


The lacquer can transfer to the action if the gun is hot. It's not hard to clean off with solvent if you clean it right away, but it can build up and be a PITA to clean if you don't do it when you're finished shooting.
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The lacquer can transfer to the action if the gun is hot. It's not hard to clean off with solvent if you clean it right away, but it can build up and be a PITA to clean if you don't do it when you're finished shooting.
Hmm, never noticed I guess. That's about all I shoot through my G3 and I've never noticed anything out of the ordinary.
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Hmm, never noticed I guess. That's about all I shoot through my G3 and I've never noticed anything out of the ordinary.

I've never owned a G3, but the most common occurance is in AR platforms where the tolerance is tighter.

I've NEVER had an issue with the lacquer coated stuff in an AK platform.
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I've never owned a G3, but the most common occurance is in AR platforms where the tolerance is tighter.

I've NEVER had an issue with the lacquer coated stuff in an AK platform.
I've shot a few hundred rounds through an AR and I don't remember any FTE's, but I did have a few with wolf ammo though. This is through a colt match rifle, btw. I think it's all relative.
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I've shot a few hundred rounds through an AR and I don't remember any FTE's, but I did have a few with wolf ammo though. This is through a colt match rifle, btw. I think it's all relative.
The issue I saw was a newer rifle gummed up and the forward assist had to be employed to get the bolt to go home.
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I've shot a lot of steel cased ammo out of my Bushmaster AR-15. You'll just need to clean the gun after a shooting before going back to brass ammo. It works fine and will not hurt your gun.

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alright thanks for the help everyone.

anybody know if cabelas has stuff instock? I checked there online store and it all says back ordered. or any other place I can buy ammo for a good price?

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alright thanks for the help everyone.

anybody know if cabelas has stuff instock? I checked there online store and it all says back ordered. or any other place I can buy ammo for a good price?
Just buy this and be done with it.


http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=350917


You can buy the 500 round lot, but I'd suggest the 1,000 round item.
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Depends on the rifles PERSONALITY.... some will eat anything (my AR will) others are picky. My advice would be dont get a whole lot of anything until you are sure your rifle will shoot it.

O and my AR if fine with Wolf and Barnul... just dont expect a sub MOA group with that stuff.

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The issue I saw was a newer rifle gummed up and the forward assist had to be employed to get the bolt to go home.
ah, never really shoot more than a few hundred rounds at a time anyways, so it's certainly possible I haven't noticed it. The only ammo I've ever run into that I absolutely cannot shoot is Winchester commercial in a G3, cases are too thin and it causes them to tear it half.



thats one torn in half shell slid over another live round that I almost pulled the trigger on until I noticed I was slightly out of battery.
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ah, never really shoot more than a few hundred rounds at a time anyways, so it's certainly possible I haven't noticed it. The only ammo I've ever run into that I absolutely cannot shoot is Winchester commercial in a G3, cases are too thin and it causes them to tear it half.



thats one torn in half shell slid over another live round that I almost pulled the trigger on until I noticed I was slightly out of battery.
GICK!

I'm surpised the nickel plated brass is "weak". Usually you can reload nickel plated stuff 1 or 2 more times than regular brass.
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