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What is a Peace Officer? Need advice!

What is your definition of a peace officer? Would you consider a CPS investigator a type of Peace Officer? Without going into too much info, my g/f and her twins live with me at my house. Their Grandmother has been stirring the pot lately and has called CPS on my g/f. One of the things they inquired about just now was the fact that I own guns and carry them on me. Again this is a trumped up charge, but now the CPS investigator is asking to see my CHL and possibly to make a copy. Lucky for me I'm at work so there isn't much they can do right now. Also my slide for the only gun I own is on its way to Trijicon to have the sights replaced! Let me know what you guys think.

Hopefully an instructor will chime in too! I called DPS and spoke to their legal department and they advised me to contact a lawyer.
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I've shown my CHL to non-Peace Officers before. No big deal.

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If CPS is on your ass you need to lawyer up now. That organization has the power to completely fuck your life and there's not a damned thing that you can do about it.

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A peace officer is defined in the Texas Penal Code as a person elected, employed or appointed as a peace officer under Article 2.12 of the Code of Criminal Procedure.

Common examples of this would be a Sheriff and their deputies, city police, state police (DPS), constables.

Peace officers are also considered Public Servants in the Penal Code.
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Art. 2.12. WHO ARE PEACE OFFICERS. The following are peace
officers:
(1) sheriffs, their deputies, and those reserve
deputies who hold a permanent peace officer license issued under
Chapter 1701, Occupations Code;
(2) constables, deputy constables, and those reserve
deputy constables who hold a permanent peace officer license issued
under Chapter 1701, Occupations Code;
(3) marshals or police officers of an incorporated
city, town, or village, and those reserve municipal police officers
who hold a permanent peace officer license issued under Chapter
1701, Occupations Code;
(4) rangers and officers commissioned by the Public
Safety Commission and the Director of the Department of Public
Safety;
(5) investigators of the district attorneys', criminal
district attorneys', and county attorneys' offices;
(6) law enforcement agents of the Texas Alcoholic
Beverage Commission;
(7) each member of an arson investigating unit
commissioned by a city, a county, or the state;
(8) officers commissioned under Section 37.081,
Education Code, or Subchapter E, Chapter 51, Education Code;
(9) officers commissioned by the General Services
Commission;
(10) law enforcement officers commissioned by the
Parks and Wildlife Commission;
(11) airport police officers commissioned by a city
with a population of more than 1.18 million that operates an airport
that serves commercial air carriers;
(12) airport security personnel commissioned as peace
officers by the governing body of any political subdivision of this
state, other than a city described by Subdivision (11), that
operates an airport that serves commercial air carriers;
(13) municipal park and recreational patrolmen and
security officers;
(14) security officers and investigators commissioned
as peace officers by the comptroller;
(15) officers commissioned by a water control and
improvement district under Section 49.216, Water Code;
(16) officers commissioned by a board of trustees
under Chapter 54, Transportation Code;
(17) investigators commissioned by the Texas Medical
Board;
(18) officers commissioned by the board of managers of
the Dallas County Hospital District, the Tarrant County Hospital
District, or the Bexar County Hospital District under Section
281.057, Health and Safety Code;
(19) county park rangers commissioned under
Subchapter E, Chapter 351, Local Government Code;
(20) investigators employed by the Texas Racing
Commission;
(21) officers commissioned under Chapter 554,
Occupations Code;
(22) officers commissioned by the governing body of a
metropolitan rapid transit authority under Section 451.108,
Transportation Code, or by a regional transportation authority
under Section 452.110, Transportation Code;
(23) investigators commissioned by the attorney
general under Section 402.009, Government Code;
(24) security officers and investigators commissioned
as peace officers under Chapter 466, Government Code;
(25) an officer employed by the Department of State
Health Services under Section 431.2471, Health and Safety Code;
(26) officers appointed by an appellate court under
Subchapter F, Chapter 53, Government Code;
(27) officers commissioned by the state fire marshal
under Chapter 417, Government Code;
(28) an investigator commissioned by the commissioner
of insurance under Section 701.104, Insurance Code;
(29) apprehension specialists and inspectors general
commissioned by the Texas Youth Commission as officers under
Sections 61.0451 and 61.0931, Human Resources Code;
(30) officers appointed by the inspector general of
the Texas Department of Criminal Justice under Section 493.019,
Government Code;
(31) investigators commissioned by the Commission on
Law Enforcement Officer Standards and Education under Section
1701.160, Occupations Code;
(32) commission investigators commissioned by the
Texas Private Security Board under Section 1702.061(f),
Occupations Code;
(33) the fire marshal and any officers, inspectors, or
investigators commissioned by an emergency services district under
Chapter 775, Health and Safety Code;
(34) officers commissioned by the State Board of
Dental Examiners under Section 254.013, Occupations Code, subject
to the limitations imposed by that section; and
(35) investigators commissioned by the Texas Juvenile
Probation Commission as officers under Section 141.055, Human
Resources Code.
But yeah, get a lawyer involved. CPS will fuck your world up.
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if you have a chl why not just show them? it would show you as a responsible person i would think.

if you dont have one let them know that by law you are legally allowed to own a handgun and not have a chl to own it.

side note why do you always pop a question about some legal bs that you could just show your freaking chl or leave the freakin gun at home.
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if you havnt commited a crime dont get a lawyer, show them your chl. If you havent done anything wrong there is nothing to be afraid of. But fully cooperate CPS is no one to fuck with.
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wasnt there a post like this a year ago or so?
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if you have a chl why not just show them? it would show you as a responsible person i would think.

if you dont have one let them know that by law you are legally allowed to own a handgun and not have a chl to own it.

side note why do you always pop a question about some legal bs that you could just show your freaking chl or leave the freakin gun at home.
1. They are my own private property.
2. It is my right to own a firearm.
3. It is not on or about my person. (The slide is in MI currently)
4. If you give these people an inch, they will take a mile. I just want to know what my right is. I called the state and they advised me to get an attorney. I wanted to check with some other people to see if they could provide more info to me.

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You're allowed to have guns to a certain point. Ask for gun locks to show that you're serious about the problem, and ask them the point of the CHL. They probably just want it to show their supervisor that you know your safety.

Be cooperative, and feel free to ask them questions. Our main purpose isn't to harass you, it's to make sure your children are safe, and that your family doesn't need any help. You would be surprised how many helpful parenting resources we have. If they give you a safety plan, take it serious. It gets them out of your life a lot quicker!
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Aint no mother fucking way Id let any CPS agent/investigator or any other fucking govt cocksucker into my house without a warrant.
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Aint no mother fucking way Id let any CPS agent/investigator or any other fucking govt cocksucker into my house without a warrant.
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Aint no mother fucking way Id let any CPS agent/investigator or any other fucking govt cocksucker into my house without a warrant.
Thank God there is someone left with common sense.

I'm fucking sick of this bullshit about 'you've got nothing to hide'.
Neither did millions of people killed by communist assholes either.
You people are a disgrace to your own freedom. The people that follow this plan are no better than sheep following each other off a cliff.
Think for yourselves!
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You have a lot bigger issues than whether or not to show CPS your CHL once they show up at your house. It may not make it into the legal papers, but your poor attitude may have a huge impact on whterhet they take your GF's kids.

It may be urban legen about how they just randomly show up at houses and take children, but the overwhelming majority of the cases I have been involved in where CPS took children away, they were way overdue when they finally acted.

It is much more likely that they would send children back to parents that aren't worthy than take them away from decent parents.

Disclaimer: I am not saying it hasn't happened, I worded my repsonse pretty carefully, so read it through before flaming please.

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He's already been fucked around by CPS before(and won), he is wanting to uphold his rights and not be walked all over, sounds good to me......

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Aint no mother fucking way Id let any CPS agent/investigator or any other fucking govt cocksucker into my house without a warrant.
I understand what you are saying, but CPS is one of the few organizations that will come back with a warrant and take the kids to do their investigation.

BTW, I doubt you or I would ever get a knock at the door from CPS.

When the safety of children are involved, most people agree we should be aggressive.

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I understand what you are saying, but CPS is one of the few organizations that will come back with a warrant and take the kids to do their investigation.

BTW, I doubt you or I would ever get a knock at the door from CPS.

When the safety of children are involved, most people agree we should be aggressive.
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I understand what you are saying, but CPS is one of the few organizations that will come back with a warrant and take the kids to do their investigation.

BTW, I doubt you or I would ever get a knock at the door from CPS.

When the safety of children are involved, most people agree we should be aggressive.
You seem to be judging something that you know absolutely nothing about. This case first started in April of last. BTW these aren't my kids, I WAS NOT THE SPERM DONOR! CPS closed the case and left the kids with their Grandmother. It was her decision when to give the kids back, but CPS told us we were within our rights to take them back even if the Grandmother didn't want to return them.

Now the problem is a family thing. The Grandmother has been using the kids as leverage and its a whole fucked up deal. She feels like as long as she has/had the kids she rules the family. It's one of those situations where my g/f and I can do nothing right. She told my g/f the first thing she needed to do was move out of my house b/c she doesn't like me and doesn't want her children around me. Ask anyone that knows, I am an Eagle Scout, don't do drugs, barely drink maybe once a month, have a steady job that pays me around $40k a year. I'm not a bad influence on anyone and treat the children with the respect and as a fill Dad. What more could you ask for?

Instead the Grandmother says I'm a bad person b/c I own and carry a gun, have the sweetest two Pit Bulls (that aren't allowed in the house while the kids are awake), and I am a bad influence. This is all because of her and her need to feel in control my G/F's life, plan and simple! BTW I am 24 and she is 21. We are both adults, but she doesn't see it that way. Instead when we took the kids back, we asked for their belongings, including clothes, beds, prescriptions, etc. She wouldn't even give us the prescriptions!! Seriously how messed up do you have to be to do this to a child? CPS feels that she is a better guardian than us? Two people that haven't done anything wrong! She just keeps making up new things to call them about and they have to come out b/c a complaint is filed.
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You seem to be judging something that you know absolutely nothing about. This case first started in April of last. BTW these aren't my kids, I WAS NOT THE SPERM DONOR! CPS closed the case and left the kids with their Grandmother. It was her decision when to give the kids back, but CPS told us we were within our rights to take them back even if the Grandmother didn't want to return them.

Now the problem is a family thing. The Grandmother has been using the kids as leverage and its a whole fucked up deal. She feels like as long as she has/had the kids she rules the family. It's one of those situations where my g/f and I can do nothing right. She told my g/f the first thing she needed to do was move out of my house b/c she doesn't like me and doesn't want her children around me. Ask anyone that knows, I am an Eagle Scout, don't do drugs, barely drink maybe once a month, have a steady job that pays me around $40k a year. I'm not a bad influence on anyone and treat the children with the respect and as a fill Dad. What more could you ask for?

Instead the Grandmother says I'm a bad person b/c I own and carry a gun, have the sweetest two Pit Bulls (that aren't allowed in the house while the kids are awake), and I am a bad influence. This is all because of her and her need to feel in control my G/F's life, plan and simple! BTW I am 24 and she is 21. We are both adults, but she doesn't see it that way. Instead when we took the kids back, we asked for their belongings, including clothes, beds, prescriptions, etc. She wouldn't even give us the prescriptions!! Seriously how messed up do you have to be to do this to a child? CPS feels that she is a better guardian than us? Two people that haven't done anything wrong! She just keeps making up new things to call them about and they have to come out b/c a complaint is filed.
OK, I give. I asked you to read my post first, but you read it w/emotions out of control, if at all.

You asked for advice and bit my head off when I gave it. I passed no judgment on you and I know they are your GF's kids, not yours. I tried, oh well.

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You're allowed to have guns to a certain point. Ask for gun locks to show that you're serious about the problem, and ask them the point of the CHL. They probably just want it to show their supervisor that you know your safety.

Be cooperative, and feel free to ask them questions. Our main purpose isn't to harass you, it's to make sure your children are safe, and that your family doesn't need any help. You would be surprised how many helpful parenting resources we have. If they give you a safety plan, take it serious. It gets them out of your life a lot quicker!
I am allowed to have guns to certain point. I would love to hear to what point that is. Please send me a PM explaining this. I do already have a trigger lock for my gun as well as the stock lock that goes through the mag opening and out of the slide when open. Please PM me, you sound like you may be able to provide some much needed info. Thank you for your time to respond here!
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is the problem that you don't have a CHL ?

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1. They are my own private property.
a.maybe your property but one phone call to a judge can get them thru the door, while they are standing there.

2. It is my right to own a firearm.
a.then you need not to worry about it, show them you are responsable and have a lock.

3. It is not on or about my person. (The slide is in MI currently)
a.look at #2

4. If you give these people an inch, they will take a mile. I just want to know what my right is. I called the state and they advised me to get an attorney. I wanted to check with some other people to see if they could provide more info to me.
a.its the government, they do what they want, when they want. play nice and you probably not have to many other issues and they may start to see that grandma is just being a pain in the ass and leave you and your gf alone.
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another side note, you say you are an Eagle scout. if you are indeed a eagle you should know that being cooperative gets you futher than being stand offish. dont forget a scout is trustworthy, etc etc

i have 2 kids and i'm a eagle with multiple guns. i have them all in a safe and my kids will tell anyone that asks, that when a gun or part of a gun is out that they dont touch and they let me know. if cps knocks on my door i will be more than happy to let them in and show them the safe.

all it would take is a phone call to a game warden from someone and you could lose everything you own, best bet is to not piss off the cps or any other government agency.
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best bet is to not piss off the cps or any other government agency.
That's correct, but it doesn't make it right.

Even though you shouldn't have to jump through any hoops when you haven't done anything wrong, think about it. You could probably be super cooperative and friendly, humor them by jumping through the hoops, and then make a case that the grandmother is wasting their time and resources. This could backfire on her if you play your cards right. try to flip the script and get things in your favor. The end result is what you really should be focused on.
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is the problem that you don't have a CHL ?
I most definitely do have a CHL! I have had it for about a year now.
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another side note, you say you are an Eagle scout. if you are indeed a eagle you should know that being cooperative gets you futher than being stand offish. dont forget a scout is trustworthy, etc etc

i have 2 kids and i'm a eagle with multiple guns. i have them all in a safe and my kids will tell anyone that asks, that when a gun or part of a gun is out that they dont touch and they let me know. if cps knocks on my door i will be more than happy to let them in and show them the safe.

all it would take is a phone call to a game warden from someone and you could lose everything you own, best bet is to not piss off the cps or any other government agency.
we tried cooperating with them in the fullest way we could the first time around. i ended up taking parenting classes, attended meetings with CPS, etc and it literally got us no where. i did everything that they asked and they still closed the case without returning her kids. then they tell us that we can go get them whenever we want, but on the other side of the fence they are telling the Grandmother that if we do to call them back immediately. i just found that out yesterday! i haven't even had my gun around the kids since they came back in the house. like i stated previously, half of it is in MI right now being repaired. No I don't have a safe but anytime the kids would come over to visit, the gun would be in a safe place unloaded and locked. what more could you ask for? the gun and ammo are never in the same place, both on top of different 8 ft. shelves. being an Eagle Scout, i understand the importance of gun safety. it was one of the first things i learned in BSA. i plan on teaching all children that are in my house gun safety, that's a no brainer for me!

i am not willing to let CPS or any other govt agency or official into my house without a warrant. that is my right and i'm not letting them walk all over me. they always come back with "what do you have to hide?" its not that i have anything to hide, its my right as a citizen to deny them entry into my house. hell that is about all i have left at this point!

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That's correct, but it doesn't make it right.

Even though you shouldn't have to jump through any hoops when you haven't done anything wrong, think about it. You could probably be super cooperative and friendly, humor them by jumping through the hoops, and then make a case that the grandmother is wasting their time and resources. This could backfire on her if you play your cards right. try to flip the script and get things in your favor. The end result is what you really should be focused on.
again this doesnt work. we tried doing everything they wanted and it literally got us no where. we even tried flipping this on the Grandmother for a couple things that happened well we were around, ie. the Grandfather hitting one of them on the head, the GM hitting one of her own children on the head with a book, the poor care that they receive, etc. CPS only viewed it as us trying to get back the GM and never looked into it.

literally anyone is helpless when it comes to CPS!
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I say when the show up and ask to see your CHL, show them....And then ASK to see THEIR Credentials.
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I see what people are saying about trying to be MR HELPFUL when it comes to law enforcement personnel
BUT you see they are looking for something to CHARGE you WITH or USE AGAINST you.
while you may feel like you have nothing to hide; a smart ass investigator with a sharp eye or grudge against you may be able to make something out of nothing.
All because of your own stupidity in letting them into your HOME to look for things like this or safety regs.

THEY ARE NOT THERE TO HELP YOU.
Believe what you want, but they already think you're the bad guy- fair or not. Their actions have proven this. They'll be an witness at your trial for the kids or whatever!

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Overzealous law enforcement can fathom all kinds of reasons your breaking the law. Just ask one about the law, few know it that well in my experience. Therefore they are uneducated and just doing the best job they can, which is typically half assed justice at best. Be the polite asshole who has rights. That's your only chance is to defend what is left.

You have no duty to prove your innocence. Don't be fooled by these morons posting on here. If people would only believe they have these rights (because they do!), law enforcement would not feel as though they can easily trample everyone's privacy. That's when I say, "no you can' t search my (insert). It's obvious you have no probable cause , or you would not be asking me"
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Maybe if you can level with them , they will back off and just respect you. I doubt that , but hey everyone else has the pipe dream that after they inch around your house they'll just go away too. Some of the men that died for these rights would probably cry for what this country has become.

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we tried cooperating with them in the fullest way we could the first time around. i ended up taking parenting classes, attended meetings with CPS, etc and it literally got us no where. i did everything that they asked and they still closed the case without returning her kids. then they tell us that we can go get them whenever we want, but on the other side of the fence they are telling the Grandmother that if we do to call them back immediately. i just found that out yesterday! i haven't even had my gun around the kids since they came back in the house. like i stated previously, half of it is in MI right now being repaired. No I don't have a safe but anytime the kids would come over to visit, the gun would be in a safe place unloaded and locked. what more could you ask for? the gun and ammo are never in the same place, both on top of different 8 ft. shelves. being an Eagle Scout, i understand the importance of gun safety. it was one of the first things i learned in BSA. i plan on teaching all children that are in my house gun safety, that's a no brainer for me!

i am not willing to let CPS or any other govt agency or official into my house without a warrant. that is my right and i'm not letting them walk all over me. they always come back with "what do you have to hide?" its not that i have anything to hide, its my right as a citizen to deny them entry into my house. hell that is about all i have left at this point!



again this doesnt work. we tried doing everything they wanted and it literally got us no where. we even tried flipping this on the Grandmother for a couple things that happened well we were around, ie. the Grandfather hitting one of them on the head, the GM hitting one of her own children on the head with a book, the poor care that they receive, etc. CPS only viewed it as us trying to get back the GM and never looked into it.

literally anyone is helpless when it comes to CPS!
reading this makes me want to also tell you to ge a lawyer. i still wouldn't want to piss them off though.

god luck man, sounds like you will alot more hoops to jump thru before this is even close to being over.
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Aint no mother fucking way Id let any CPS agent/investigator or any other fucking govt cocksucker into my house without a warrant.
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easy to say when you have a lawyer living in the same house
It's easy to say when you also have the constitution of the US backing you also.

We're not quite a police state yet.
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easy to say when you have a lawyer living in the same house
Really ? Almost every time I get stopped by a cop they ask to search my car /truck now. I just say no.

No. Then they let me go.
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It is my knowledge that CPS will do whatever they want, when they want, however they want without following any rules. They seem to operate above the law and WITHOUT reason...
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After reading further I see that you are dealing with a crazy old woman.


You're fucked.
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The only good advice in this thread is from 90 Notch. Dude, CPS is investigating and there is a chance it turns into a criminal case handled by the boys in blue.

Get yourself a lawyer and forget the rest of the advice in this thread.

I would say granny has told the CPS investigators that your are an unbalanced individual that is prone to anger. Whether or not your pit bulls are outside until the kiddos go to bed or not, whether you have a gun lock on your gun, granny has painted you as someone that may go off in a moment's notice. You might have an episode where you let the dogs in on the kids, possibly shoot the kids, whatever.

You may be the coolest dude in the world and would never hurt a fly but you have to remember CPS has heard it all before. They are looking for situations and making sure the kids cannot be put in situations to harm them.

CPS in Texas has a lot, I mean a lot of power. A good lawyer will make sure your CPS case is handled with your rights intact.

I have a good friend that went through a CPS investigation. The investigation lasted a few months and they hired their lawyer when CPS first contacted them. It all worked out and the allegations proved false but it still was a really bad experience for them as it would be for any parent. BTW, they own a freakin' arsenal that would make DFWStangs proud. It ain't about the gun its about how granny is portraying you as a gun owner.

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The only good advice in this thread is from 90 Notch. Dude, CPS is investigating and there is a chance it turns into a criminal case handled by the boys in blue.

Get yourself a lawyer and forget the rest of the advice in this thread.

I would say granny has told the CPS investigators that your are an unbalanced individual that is prone to anger. Whether or not your pit bulls are outside until the kiddos go to bed or not, whether you have a gun lock on your gun, granny has painted you as someone that may go off in a moment's notice. You might have an episode where you let the dogs in on the kids, possibly shoot the kids, whatever.

You may be the coolest dude in the world and would never hurt a fly but you have to remember CPS has heard it all before. They are looking for situations and making sure the kids cannot be put in situations to harm them.

CPS in Texas has a lot, I mean a lot of power. A good lawyer will make sure your CPS case is handled with your rights intact.

I have a good friend that went through a CPS investigation. The investigation lasted a few months and they hired their lawyer when CPS first contacted them. It all worked out and the allegations proved false but it still was a really bad experience for them as it would be for any parent. BTW, they own a freakin' arsenal that would make DFWStangs proud. It ain't about the gun its about how granny is portraying you as a gun owner.

Get a lawyer.
thanks man for the advice!
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After reading further I see that you are dealing with a crazy old woman.


You're fucked.
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A CPS worker is not a Peace Officer. I have several friends that I used to work with that left LE work and went to CPS. CPS does not carry their PO License. Now CPS works with LEO and they can get court writs to take possession of the children and to make visition occur under very specific conditions, so tread lightly. I would advise to cooperate with them, up to a point. Just pick your battles.

What was the original reason that the grand mother got custody of the children in the beginning. From my experience it takes an act of god for the children not to be returned to the natural parents, even dopers get their kids back.

You might want to just talk with an attorney and see what types of options you have.

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If I were you I would answer the door with my gun in my hand.
Then see what happens...
Good luck by the way.
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After reading further I see that you are dealing with a crazy old woman.


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The only good advice in this thread is from 90 Notch. Dude, CPS is investigating and there is a chance it turns into a criminal case handled by the boys in blue.

Get yourself a lawyer and forget the rest of the advice in this thread.

I would say granny has told the CPS investigators that your are an unbalanced individual that is prone to anger. Whether or not your pit bulls are outside until the kiddos go to bed or not, whether you have a gun lock on your gun, granny has painted you as someone that may go off in a moment's notice. You might have an episode where you let the dogs in on the kids, possibly shoot the kids, whatever.

You may be the coolest dude in the world and would never hurt a fly but you have to remember CPS has heard it all before. They are looking for situations and making sure the kids cannot be put in situations to harm them.

CPS in Texas has a lot, I mean a lot of power. A good lawyer will make sure your CPS case is handled with your rights intact.

I have a good friend that went through a CPS investigation. The investigation lasted a few months and they hired their lawyer when CPS first contacted them. It all worked out and the allegations proved false but it still was a really bad experience for them as it would be for any parent. BTW, they own a freakin' arsenal that would make DFWStangs proud. It ain't about the gun its about how granny is portraying you as a gun owner.

Get a lawyer.
If you're not going to listen to 90Notch then you really should listen to this man. I have nothing better to say than what they have said.
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thanks man for the advice!
I get accused of overstepping and Eric gets a thanks for nearly the same advice? Damnit!

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I get accused of overstepping and Eric gets a thanks for nearly the same advice? Damnit!
I guess when two old farts say the same thing it starts sinking in.

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Grandma is a nutbag....move out of Texas or ditch the g/f and get on with your life.

THAT is the best advice in the thread!



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I get accused of overstepping and Eric gets a thanks for nearly the same advice? Damnit!
lol. thanks to you too. note that he did say that your advice was the only good advice. you just gave it at the wrong time for me when i was still super pissed about everything. sorry about that man!
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lol. thanks to you too. note that he did say that your advice was the only good advice. you just gave it at the wrong time for me when i was still super pissed about everything. sorry about that man!
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set a pungee trap in the front yard.
LMAO
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I guess when two old farts say the same thing it starts sinking in.

Damn, I've become my father.
LOL, maybe so.

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