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red dot sights

I've just recently began to use these on some of my rifles, currently I have some cheap ass one that I got the fort worth gunshow just to see if I liked it. Anyone have some decent brands that are not ridiculously expensive that they would recommend? I've always preferred scopes over red dots, but I think I'm going to pick up some cheap AK to plink and thought it would be a fun thing to add.
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bushnell has a nice one, i had one on my AR for long time, then switched to a scope. it retailed for around 190.00
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Red dot or holographic?

Holographic like an EOTech, Bushnell, Burris, ACOG?

or a red dot like a regular scope with a red dot where the turret goes?

I think all scope manuf's make a red dot now.

At the range, I see a lot of the cheapy ones like NcStar, etc.

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Red dot or holographic?

Holographic like an EOTech, Bushnell, Burris, ACOG?

or a red dot like a regular scope with a red dot where the turret goes?

I think all scope manuf's make a red dot now.

At the range, I see a lot of the cheapy ones like NcStar, etc.
haha yeah thats what I got for the SKS, an NCstar, it was 20 bucks, and I wasn't about to spent 200 dollars on a 80 dollar gun. I felt if 20 bucks if it gets me even emotely accurate <100 yards I would be happy. so, what is the difference between holographic and red dot exactly?
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AFAIK.

Red dot's have magnification. They are basically a traditional rifle scope with a red dot.

Holographs don't. You can get add on to magnify the EOTech. ACOG uses tritium, but not sure how that works. Most of these you can change the shape/size of the image projected: chevron, dot, circle etc.

When I shopped for my deer rifle's scope, I looked at both. But I couldn't get any info on them, so I went with a traditional rifle scope with BDC (bullet drop compensator). My 7mm mag loads have the same drop as a .22-250.

I think the red dot would give faster target acquisition, and the holographic even better. But 4x and less magnification ain't gonna get it done at 300-400 yards. I don't have 20yo eyes anymore.

With AR carbines, the short scopes with long eye relief are popular. With an HBAR or varmint AR, you see more tradional rifles scopes, albeit some are Tactical version with target turrets and fancier reticles.

I have 2 Burris scopes(1 rifle, 1 pistol) and think they are best bang for buck. Their glass is as good or better than 1k$+ scopes. Their controls leaves something to be desired in the lower priced models.

The Burris on my rifle replaced a Tasco 3-9x that was older than me. It had been adequate when hunting Caribou in Alaska at -35. But I wanted stronger magnification and better glass.

One rule of thumb I here from pros: Put as much into scope as the rifle. But I have only seen this in practice once. Friend has Howa 1500 7mm mag with a nice Leupold. About 500$ each. Don't see too many 1000$ scopes on shooter's Weatherby's or AR rifles.
I'm not putting a 450$ Leupold on my Ruger Blackhawk when a used 4x Burris works, or a Zeiss Diavari on my old rusted/busted Parker Hale.

You can get a lot of scope for 300-450$. But a nice rifle that you can hand down to your grandkids, that isn't a single shot NEF, is 800$+.

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AFAIK.

Red dot's have magnification. They are basically a traditional rifle scope with a red dot.

Holographs don't. You can get add on to magnify the EOTech. ACOG uses tritium, but not sure how that works. Most of these you can change the shape/size of the image projected: chevron, dot, circle etc.

When I shopped for my deer rifle's scope, I looked at both. But I couldn't get any info on them, so I went with a traditional rifle scope with BDC (bullet drop compensator). My 7mm mag loads have the same drop as a .22-250.

I think the red dot would give faster target acquisition, and the holographic even better. But 4x and less magnification ain't gonna get it done at 300-400 yards. I don't have 20yo eyes anymore.

With AR carbines, the short scopes with long eye relief are popular. With an HBAR or varmint AR, you see more tradional rifles scopes, albeit some are Tactical version with target turrets and fancier reticles.

I have 2 Burris scopes(1 rifle, 1 pistol) and think they are best bang for buck. Their glass is as good or better than 1k$+ scopes. Their controls leaves something to be desired in the lower priced models.

The Burris on my rifle replaced a Tasco 3-9x that was older than me. It had been adequate when hunting Caribou in Alaska at -35. But I wanted stronger magnification and better glass.

One rule of thumb I here from pros: Put as much into scope as the rifle. But I have only seen this in practice once. Friend has Howa 1500 7mm mag with a nice Leupold. About 500$ each. Don't see too many 1000$ scopes on shooter's Weatherby's or AR rifles.
I'm not putting a 450$ Leupold on my Ruger Blackhawk when a used 4x Burris works, or a Zeiss Diavari on my old rusted/busted Parker Hale.

You can get a lot of scope for 300-450$. But a nice rifle that you can hand down to your grandkids, that isn't a single shot NEF, is 800$+.
Good information there. My G3 has the german hensoldt scope which would be in the same price as the rifle, but outside of that I normally go for ~$100-$150 scopes on cheaper rifles. The SKS is not getting anymore more than $100 bucks, its a bargain bin rifle, I just wanted something fun for it.
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AFAIK.

Red dot's have magnification.

The Aimpoint is zero mag.


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it may be the way they work. Most red dots are enclosed tubes, whereas holographic have a projection screen only.
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holy shit... acog scope price is below retail and it's $1,273!!

http://www.thegunsource.com/item/593...31DOC_Gun.aspx



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holy shit... acog scope price is below retail and it's $1,273!!

http://www.thegunsource.com/item/593...31DOC_Gun.aspx


That is one bad ass scope right there.There was a video on here about a soldier saved when his acog stopped a bullet.

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That is one bad ass scope right there.There was a video on here about a soldier saved when his acog stopped a bullet.
Yeah, I remember that thread. I know it's a bad mofo, but jesus christ.
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one difference with like the cheaper red dots vs like the eotech is if you move your head around or different shooters shoulder the weapon, the redots move. With an eotech the dot and crosshairs always remain on target not matter how you look at the sight big time advantage.

Maybe the nicer red dots don't do that but the one i picked up today did was like a simmmons i believe.
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Yeah, I remember that thread. I know it's a bad mofo, but jesus christ.
Yeah they ain't cheap. I have an ACOG and an Eotech. Both are great sights. The Eotech is for CQB and the ACOG is for rabbit and hog hunting.

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Whoever makes the AR-15 goverment model, Bushmaster or RRA has the dual witness setup. I think it is an EOTech with BUIS. You look through them both simultaneously. Pretty slick.

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Whoever makes the AR-15 goverment model, Bushmaster or RRA has the dual witness setup. I think it is an EOTech with BUIS. You look through them both simultaneously. Pretty slick.
That is the RRA model that I bought and the dual witness is awesome.

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Tacpoint makes a nice lower priced red dot unit. It has the same size as the Aimpoint M3 but is about half the price. I have one on one of my AR's and it has been great for the past 4 years. It has been dropped and out in the rain and has not missed a beat, still on the first set of batteries. I have a co-witness setup with Troy iron sights. The sight is mounted in a LaRue mount and has been removed and reinstalled a bunch and has not lost zero.




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