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Cam Newton drama...

Not only is he a thief and a cheat...apparently he is a liar also.

Anybody watch ESPN2 where they are saying that there are voicemails of Cam and his dad talking about getting paid to sign at Auburn...Cam wanted to go to MSU but dad said Auburn paying too well! If this is true, shit's about to hit the fan in the SEC.
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ESPN reporting sources have indicated that 2 different taped phone conversations exist:

#1: Cecil Newton telling a representative of Mississippi State that it would take "more than a scholarship" to get his son to Starkville.

#2: Cam Newton telling someone he wanted to go to State but his dad made the choice for him to go to Auburn because "the money was too good"
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I don't see a problem with players getting paid.What happens if a kid is gonna make the NFL but gets hurt before he gets there, because he was playing his heart out in college? He is just fucked.
They can get insurance.

And there wouldn't be anything wrong with it, if it wasn't against the rules, but you've got all these other kids doing it the legal way, adhering to the rules, so until it's changed, this piece of shit and the others like him need to be punished.


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Yeah I kinda of agree, these kids are asked to kill themselves on and off the field, coaches jump schools when the money pulls them. The networks are making a killing off college football, the BCS is banking, people are selling gear like crazy, tickets are expensive, the programs are pulling in millions while the kids who are the face of these schools are held to ridiculous standards and expected to live mediocre lives while everyone around them is on the take. I bet if Auburn was 5-5 right now you wouldn't be hearing crap.
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Problem with paying players is the richer schools would get all of the talent.
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Big money boosters would give under the table money...
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Big money boosters would still give under the table money...
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Many moons ago, I had two high school team-mates go to BIG football programs (before the SMU scandal) and I was stunned at how they were paid. Booster's had moving companies, landscape businesses, etc. and would just put them on the payroll as "part-time" help. One played for Switzer and the other went to Nebraska. I'm sure all the big programs were the same to some extent.

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Scott Moore (on Mississippi radio) always has reliable info and he says Cam Newton will likey be benched very soon and Auburn will be stripped of their wins before the season is over...He says this will be a speedy process, because the NCAA doeasn't want an inelgible team winning a national title...He also says the FBI is involved because of large sums of money involved, tax evasion and so on....Scott also confirms that Mullen and Meyer pulled the trigger with the NCAA. (Which they should have, no doubt.)

Ths is the most reliable source I've heard...I believe this 100%....It's about to get really ugly for Auburn...Personally, I hope it goes down in time for LSU to get a shot at Atlanta.
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Scott Moore (on Mississippi radio) always has reliable info and he says Cam Newton will likey be benched very soon and Auburn will be stripped of their wins before the season is over...He says this will be a speedy process, because the NCAA doeasn't want an inelgible team winning a national title...He also says the FBI is involved because of large sums of money involved, tax evasion and so on....Scott also confirms that Mullen and Meyer pulled the trigger with the NCAA. (Which they should have, no doubt.)

Ths is the most reliable source I've heard...I believe this 100%....It's about to get really ugly for Auburn...Personally, I hope it goes down in time for LSU to get a shot at Atlanta.

WOW. This Cam Newton guy seems like a good candidate to be on the Cowboys.
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If it plays out like this, I think the issue of why this is coming out now is explained. Mullen had the conversations with the Newtons recorded to incriminate them and turned them over to the NCAA, but the investigation was going more slowly than he liked. When it became clear that Auburn was in prime position to contend for not just the SEC but the national title, he began organizing leaks to force the NCAA's hand.
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WOW. This Cam Newton guy seems like a good candidate to be on the Cowboys.
Well, they will have one of the first two picks!!!
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Sources say Auburn is being told to sit Newton Saturday...
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If it plays out like this, I think the issue of why this is coming out now is explained. Mullen had the conversations with the Newtons recorded to incriminate them and turned them over to the NCAA, but the investigation was going more slowly than he liked. When it became clear that Auburn was in prime position to contend for not just the SEC but the national title, he began organizing leaks to force the NCAA's hand.
There went his hopes to win the heisman also.


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Well, they will have one of the first two picks!!!
There will be a few better players the cowboys can take with one of the top picks.

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Wow, if that happens Auburn will be done.
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Seroiusly though, how much of a risk do you think an NFL team is going to take on this guy? He or someone he is close to him obvoiusly is a bad apple.
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I am reading this on another board but apparently this is all coming from Auburn boosters/coaching staff. Its gonna suck for the entire SEC if all this shit is true. Auburn should just release Cam now...he is just gonna go to the NFL and Auburn is gonna be the ones getting fucked...along with the kids still on the team.
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Sucks for the rest of the players on the team, even more if they didn't get a paycheck also lol.

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The same thing will happen to Newton that happeend to Reggie Bush, he will get a huge NFL salary with lots of guaranteed money and his school will be penalized, not the athlete.

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The same thing will happen to Newton that happeend to Reggie Bush, he will get a huge NFL salary with lots of guaranteed money and his school will be penalized, not the athlete.
Yup...he should be the one punished. The NFL should blackball his stupid ass...

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Just put $500 on Georgia +8.5 before Vegas takes the line down...
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Ian Fitzsimmons on a Dallas radio show just reported the NCAA will suspend Newton in the next 4 hours.
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LOL...Vegas pulling the line now.
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So without their Heisman candidate how well are they going to do against Georgia and even worse Alabama in two weeks? Assuming the voodoo computers don't give LSU a ticket to the title game it looks like Cam Newton could be the BCS buster.

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I saw that and jumped on it...

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I'm seeing that is now OFF
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If LSU wins out, they will go to Glendale. The SECCG victory would propel them to the top of the standings.
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I'm seeing that is now OFF
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CBS now reporting that Scam Newton will play Saturday...

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How's that bet looking now! Jk.

Hope auburn and cam get canned soon.
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ESPN is reporting that Newton is still going to play. The head coach said he is still considered an eligible player, so he will play.

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Note the dates.

Newton told the council the building can be brought to code "inside of six months." He also said the church has the money in hand to proceed with the work.

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Newnan City Council has decided to allow the Holy Zion Center of Deliverance, 115 Temple Ave., to remain in existence at its present location if certain conditions are met.

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Holy Zion Center for Deliverance is now in compliance with the City of Newnan's building requirements.

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I am sure that it is all legit...
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Oh come on, you know the good people of Auburn decided to start driving 75 miles to Newnan, GA to go to church and donate because they liked what Rev. Newton was preaching!

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Athletic ability trumps criminal behavior in the NFL...
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And the NBA.

And MLB.

And NHL.

And Hollywood(talent not athletic talent but talent etc)

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The man at the center of the controversy involving the recruitment of Auburn quarterback Cam Newton on Thursday offered more details about the plan to sell Newton’s skills.

In an interview with Dallas radio station KESN-FM, Kenny Rogers, a former Mississippi State football player, said he spoke with Newton’s father, Cecil, on Nov. 27, 2009, about how much money would be required to get Cam Newton to sign a letter of intent to play college football.




According to Rogers, he was told by Cecil Newton Sr. it would cost a school “anywhere between $100,000 and $180,000” for a school to sign his son, who is considered the leading contender to win the Heisman Trophy this year.

KESN-FM host Ian Fitzsimmons, who conducted the interview, asked Rogers if that amount was for Newton to play college football or to sign a letter of intent.

“Basically to get his son,” said Rogers, who acknowledged he was involved with Cecil Newton only regarding Mississippi State.

In another Dallas radio interview, with ESPN 103.3 FM, Rogers said he and Cecil Newton initially talked after Cam Newton left the University of Florida after the 2008 season. During that conversation, Rogers said Cecil Newton told him, "It's not gonna be free this time."

Rogers told 103.3 FM he had been referred to a Mississippi State booster named Bill Bell. Rogers said he called Bell and left a message that he was with Cecil Newton and Newton wanted to know if a deal could be done.

Contacted Thursday night by ESPN.com, Bell confirmed that Cecil Newton did ask for money in exchange for Cam Newton signing with Mississippi State. Bell said he was contacted by the NCAA about the matter and spoke to an investigator earlier this week.

"That's all I want to say about it at this point," Bell told ESPN.com.

Telephone messages left for Bell by FOXSports.com were not immediately returned.

Mississippi State spokesman Joe Galbraith declined to comment on Rogers’ interview.

A call to Cecil Newton’s home went to voicemail, which indicated it was full.

Auburn did not return telephone messages, text messages and e-mails, but is declining to comment on Rogers’ interview, according to ESPN.com.

In an e-mail to FOXSports.com, NCAA spokeswoman Stacey Osburn wrote that, “The solicitation of cash or benefits by a prospective student-athlete or another individual on his or her behalf is not allowed under NCAA rules.”
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Auburn changed their official stance on Cam's eligibility from eligible to no comment!
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Auburn changed their official stance on Cam's eligibility from eligible to no comment!
So now he is not eligible?
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It isnt clear yet...but the change gives the appearance that he will be benched.
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Will it matter if they bench him now? He's already played what, nine games? If he's ruled ineligible, it's not going to be for future games, will it?

I don't personally see him being benched.
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Funny how this never came to much light until he was somewhat of a superstar at Auburn and an early Heisman contender/front runner.


Oh, and the team says he will start this week beyond popular belief.
The NCAA was told about this in January and some supporting documentation was given in July. The question is why does the NCAA take this long? They looked very inept in taking almost 5 years to investigate Bush.
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The NCAA was told about this in January and some supporting documentation was given in July. The question is why does the NCAA take this long? They looked very inept in taking almost 5 years to investigate Bush.
because when it comes to players like bush or cam they hope that it goes away quietly and then punish the school for some other infraction later on. it is a slap in the face to the ncaa when this stuff gets aired out like this.

what really sucks is that if they make them forefit those games the teams that lost don't get to take the L off their record. this will hurt every team that lost to them with a phantom L.

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how is that different than a regular student? I busted my ass in college too and actually paid to do it, and all I got was a lousy bachelors degree. These kids choose to go play football, that is what they pay to go to school instead of tuition.
I can only assume, if your degree is lousy then you either picked the wrong degree for your personality or have not used it in the field you were educated in, I feel an education is priceless.

As for student athletes, they are far different than regular students. I understand the school takes care of their athletes basic needs but this does not address the greed around them. If you put these kids in the spotlight given their limited experience and subject them to hundreds of rules some of which they don't even know exist you set them up for failure. Everyone is getting rich off their sweat and hard work. Nike, BCS, the College athletic programs, clothing manufacturers, ESPN, SI, everyone is on the take. In some instances, the media seems to want to see these kids fail so they can make money off the story behind the rules infraction. It is not a simple equation and the adults that surround these kids are the worst at times.

Then take the NCAA who has no championship playoff system, allows for the BCS which is money centered simply put "Greed Inc.", says nothing when coaches make promises to these kids then check out for the next big pay day. I think these kids should get some compensation across the board, they do more than you average student, they risk more and they are monitored more.

We'll have to agree to disagree because as a High school administrator I worry about my student athletes and what might come their way in college, how do you prepare a kid to go from worrying about the prom, to signing with a college to next stop a 7 figure contract and oh by the way during that everyone is prospecting on what they can make off his back?
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They don't do more than the average student. You average student puts in more time studying and other extra curricular activities. You non student athlete also makes the university more money because A) They have to pay and B) They allow the University to advertise graduation rates, grades, jobs, social status, etc. The non-student athlete is more important to the livelihood of the University than any student athlete. If that wasn't the case, only schools with big time athletic programs would survive and there are plenty of good schools with small or no athletic programs. Lets not forget, the kids choose to become student athletes. They know the deal going in, and they choose the spotlight, the status, the competition, the sweat, the free "education", just like the normal student chooses to pay for a particular education. There is a reason, to me at least, college football is so special. Because it is about pride, passion and honor, not money. If you started paying athletes, it becomes nothing more than the pros (or Auburn), where the best athletes go to the highest bidder..namely, your big programs and college football will lose its charm.
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If you put these kids in the spotlight given their limited experience and subject them to hundreds of rules some of which they don't even know exist you set them up for failure.
It's their and their school's job to make sure they're aware of these rules. Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the rules.
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And they're not benefiting, at all, right? The education they earn with that sweat and hard work isn't going to pay off at all, is it?


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They don't do more than the average student. You average student puts in more time studying and other extra curricular activities. You non student athlete also makes the university more money because A) They have to pay and B) They allow the University to advertise graduation rates, grades, jobs, social status, etc. The non-student athlete is more important to the livelihood of the University than any student athlete. If that wasn't the case, only schools with big time athletic programs would survive and there are plenty of good schools with small or no athletic programs. Lets not forget, the kids choose to become student athletes. They know the deal going in, and they choose the spotlight, the status, the competition, the sweat, the free "education", just like the normal student chooses to pay for a particular education. There is a reason, to me at least, college football is so special. Because it is about pride, passion and honor, not money. If you started paying athletes, it becomes nothing more than the pros (or Auburn), where the best athletes go to the highest bidder..namely, your big programs and college football will lose its charm.
You were doing okay for a while then you stated "Because it is about pride, passion and honor, not money",

Top student athletes want to go to programs that best prepare them to get looked at for the pro's(money), BCS(money), no play off system(money), attaining the best coaches for your program(money), coaches jumping ship(money) building facilities that assist in making your school a top program/attracting athletes(money),

the reason OU dismissed Bomar(money),

Bush gave up his hiesman(money) SMU got the death penalty in the 80's(money), Bama mid 90's with the strippers and paying HS coaches(money).

I feel you may be looking at college football through pink sunglasses.
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Rather he got paid or not, he is still the baddest dude on the field. It's like watching Vince Young all over again. He just glides up and down the field with ease
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