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2011 NFL Lockout

WTF?! This is the first I've heard of this. I was wondering why earlier on Sports Center someone made the comment about the draft and "if" theres any football. I was thinking, wtf is he talking about.


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Smith: NFL to get $5B without playing


FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. -- The question to DeMaurice Smith was simple, coming from Cincinnati receiver Chad Ochocinco, asking how serious he viewed the possibility of football not being played in 2011.

Smith did not hesitate.

"On a scale of 1 to 10," Smith said Thursday, "it's a 14."

With that, the executive director of the NFL Players Association painted perhaps the bleakest picture yet regarding prospects of labor strife in the league, which could be looking at a 2010 season with no salary cap and, if the collective bargaining agreement expires as scheduled in March 2011, a lockout that year.

"I keep coming back to an economic model in America that is unparalleled," said Smith, who often repeated phrases for emphasis. "And that makes it incredibly difficult to then come to players and say, on average, each of you needs to take a $340,000 pay cut to save the National Football League. Tough sell. Tough sell."

Smith said the NFL would receive $5 billion from its network television deals even if no games are played in 2011. He regarded that as proof owners are preparing for a lockout.

Saturday We've told them, 'Don't go out and buy a new boat. Don't go out and buy a new car. Pay off whatever debts you have.' These are things we've been learning from history.
-- Colts C Jeff Saturday on how players should prepare for a lockout.

"Has any one of the prior deals included $5 billion to not play football?" Smith asked, referring to previous contracts that were extended or redone. "The answer's no."

Some of Smith's nearly hour-long question-and-answer session during Super Bowl week was spent reiterating past claims, such as team values increasing "almost 500 percent" over the last 15 years. There was also a call to have all 32 NFL teams open their books to show who was losing money and how much.

Smith also said he wanted teams to contribute what, ultimately, would be millions into what he called "a legacy fund" that would better support retired players.

Most of his focus, however, was on getting a new CBA.

"I really and truly in my heart believe we'll get a deal done," NFLPA president Kevin Mawae said. "But there's going to have to be some give and some take and not just taking from one side all the way."

The league's response, in part, said that teams like the Green Bay Packers -- whose audited financial statements are the only ones the union said it has seen -- have had a 40 percent decline in profits.

"In most businesses, that would be a serious cause for concern," said Jeff Pash, the NFL's executive vice president and chief counsel. "It would indicate a serious issue that has to be dealt with. You look at your single largest expense, which is player costs."

Indianapolis quarterback Peyton Manning, whom the Colts are planning to soon give a new contract that would make him the league's highest-paid player, acknowledged that he has concerns.

"I think as a player, I feel we have a pretty good thing going right now in the NFL," Manning said Thursday. "It would a shame for something to have to change along those lines. I understand kind of like when a player is holding out or a player contract, there is a business side of this that can be tough. It is not always pretty."

Smith said the latest NFL offer to the players would reduce their share to 41 percent of applied revenues from about 59 percent. He emphasized that the teams take $1 billion off the top of the estimated $8 billion the league generates.

Pash argued that the $1 billion reflects actual costs incurred, money "invested in things like NFL Network, NFL.com, putting games on overseas, all of which is intended to and has in fact had the effect of generating substantial additional revenues, 50 percent of which go to NFL players. And the union knows that's true, because the union has absolute rights to audit those expenses."

Echoing NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, Pash said Smith's assertion that players are being asked to accept an 18 percent pay cut -- the $340,000 per-player-average figure -- was among the "misrepresentations of what our proposal is."

"We have never said it would result in players having to take a reduction," Pash said. "The entire point here is to generate a pool of resources to have continued investment and continued growth, which would lead to higher salaries and benefits for players."

For now, some players say they're bracing for issues. Mawae said he even has recommended players save 25 percent of their salary next season "in the event of a lockout," though he noted "we can't make all 1,900 players save their money."

"We've told them, 'Don't go out and buy a new boat. Don't go out and buy a new car. Pay off whatever debts you have,' " said Jeff Saturday of the Indianapolis Colts. "These are things we've been learning from history."

Smith and Mawae said that if next season goes forward with no salary cap, it would be highly unlikely to have a new CBA with a cap reinstated.

"Virtually impossible," Smith said.

"A very difficult task," Mawae said.

Asked about the owners' assertion that the 18 percent pay cut request was false, Mawae said did not hold back:

"That is not true," he said. "That is absolutely true they've asked for 18 percent."

Meantime, the union is increasing dues for now with the idea of returning the money as income to players, if needed, during a lockout.

"Our guys get it," Mawae said. "Our guys understand."

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old news true. The rich pissed off because they want to get richer. Nothing new there. It is amazing how addicted we are as a society to professional sports. No matter how pissed off we get when these things happen, we still go back to watching when it returns. I guess it just shows the players and owners that they can do whatever they want, because the people that pay their salaries will never go away. They are pretty much playing on Americans addictions.
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When was this announced? Today was the first I had heard of it.

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When was this announced? Today was the first I had heard of it.
It hasn't been announced that it is for sure. But this thing has been going on for months. Maybe for even a year. This is for sure the ugliest and most telling story I have seen so far.
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I see the owner's side, and I also see the player's side.


Personally, I think the NFL takes in too much for themselves. They have the failed NFL Network. These retarded overseas games, that cost a fortune to put on, etc.

It's all money that could be better spent.

As for retired players - I've long wondered why these things are the concern of the NFL. These players get paid to put their bodies on the line. That's a risk they take. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. I don't understand why they are trying to put the league on the hook for it.

I can understand players from back in the day, when they weren't making money like they are now. But if these idiots getting paid millions per year can't save and plan for the future, that is their own problem.
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I see the owner's side, and I also see the player's side.


Personally, I think the NFL takes in too much for themselves. They have the failed NFL Network. These retarded overseas games, that cost a fortune to put on, etc.

It's all money that could be better spent.

As for retired players - I've long wondered why these things are the concern of the NFL. These players get paid to put their bodies on the line. That's a risk they take. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. I don't understand why they are trying to put the league on the hook for it.

I can understand players from back in the day, when they weren't making money like they are now. But if these idiots getting paid millions per year can't save and plan for the future, that is their own problem.
Well all that wasted money is the league trying to expand and find a bigger audience. I honestly don't ever see that happening. The Euro's, where the first logical expansion location outside the US would be, look down on the game, just like we do with soccer.

Now the NFL network is a different thing all together. They are trying to be a self sustaining corporation. They want to control the product from the beginning to the end. Which I find odd since most of their revenue comes from the networks. It is just like corporations creating their own IT departments and doing everything on their own instead of contracting out.

The NFL needs to own up to the fact that they are this big entity that was created on the backs of those past players. Those players created the product. The NFL execs just marketed it and was able to make it main stream. The league makes enough money to give back to those players that gave them a quality product on the field.
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