Originally Posted by Juiceweezl
I agree with you wholeheartedly and second the notion that Crabtree is probably the best player. My initial statement was not that Tebow shouldn't be there or isn't necessarily worthy. It was simply that there is no way he should receive more votes, especially that many more votes for first thatn McCoy and Bradford who have both had better seasons. I put up numbers to push it a little farther. IMO, and I think most of you will agree, McCoy is far more valuable to his team than the other two. All 3 players make their teams better for sure, but without McCoy, UT may lose 4 or more games. However, that doesn't mean he's a lock or should win at all. To me, it's a coin flip between Bradford and McCoy. If you want to base it on numbers and simple passing performance and executing the offense, then it's probably Bradford. If you want to base it on leadership, most valuable to the team, and better athlete, then it's McCoy. You can compare it to the Graham Harrell situation this year. He had a great year and is a great QB, but there is no question that he's behind Bradford and McCoy. I feel it's the same with Tebow.
not knocking McCoy because I can't stand him and the hype he gets, but it is debatable wither or not he is a better athlete than Bradford. They were actually talking during the Mizzou game how Bradford is an exceptional athlete, he has a +1 handicap in Golf and averaged 20+ for his prep basketball team. He reminds me of Romo, where he just gets it and when he does something, he does well at it. They made it sound like everything he touches turns to Gold. Not that it does, but I just get the impression that if he had to be the one man show like McCoy, he could do it. I might give you the better Leader in McCoy, he does have a years more experience and he is the go to guy of the team, but I am sure Bradford is right up there with him.
But your points about McCoy just reiterate what I was saying, the Heisman isn't supposed to be an MVP vote. Just because his team would be nowhere without him does not mean he is the "most outstanding college football player". Sure it is a byproduct, but on the other hand, you can be the "most outstanding football player" and your team could still succeed without you. The MVP angle is being played by McCoy voters because the angle works. Next year, they will use a different argument for a different person. The Heisman has one definition, but the voting is not based on that definition. That is why you don't see any more Heisman winners excel in the NFL, because they just aren't as good as everyone tries to make them out to be.
Anyway, I do agree with you about Tebow. He is getting Hype because of his team, and because of last year, not what he has done this year. Harrell has had a more outstanding year than him, and I don't think Harrell is a product of the system. He didn't set records in High School (I think, or he was a highly sought after recruit by a lot of school) because he was in Tech's offense.