Originally Posted by Big Studly
not knocking McCoy because I can't stand him and the hype he gets, but it is debatable wither or not he is a better athlete than Bradford. They were actually talking during the Mizzou game how Bradford is an exceptional athlete, he has a +1 handicap in Golf and averaged 20+ for his prep basketball team. He reminds me of Romo, where he just gets it and when he does something, he does well at it. They made it sound like everything he touches turns to Gold. Not that it does, but I just get the impression that if he had to be the one man show like McCoy, he could do it. I might give you the better Leader in McCoy, he does have a years more experience and he is the go to guy of the team, but I am sure Bradford is right up there with him.
But your points about McCoy just reiterate what I was saying, the Heisman isn't supposed to be an MVP vote. Just because his team would be nowhere without him does not mean he is the "most outstanding college football player". Sure it is a byproduct, but on the other hand, you can be the "most outstanding football player" and your team could still succeed without you. The MVP angle is being played by McCoy voters because the angle works. Next year, they will use a different argument for a different person. The Heisman has one definition, but the voting is not based on that definition. That is why you don't see any more Heisman winners excel in the NFL, because they just aren't as good as everyone tries to make them out to be.
Anyway, I do agree with you about Tebow. He is getting Hype because of his team, and because of last year, not what he has done this year. Harrell has had a more outstanding year than him, and I don't think Harrell is a product of the system. He didn't set records in High School (I think, or he was a highly sought after recruit by a lot of school) because he was in Tech's offense.
I agree with about all that you are saying. I've said before, and I'll say it again. I don't think there is a better pocket passer anywhere in college football than Bradford. No one, period. He even worked hard in the offseason at throwing on the run, and you can see it too. I'll still give McCoy the edge at throwing on the run as that is where he's more comfortable and that's the offense they run. As for the better athlete, Bradford may be on the basketball court and on the golf course -- I have no idea if McCoy can even bounce a ball. On the football field, Colt is faster and stronger. That helicopter highlight for Bradford is nice, but replay the one where McCoy ran over a linebacker to get into the end zone earlier this year. Bradford won't and can't do that.
The award should go to the most outstanding player, and you're right, typically it doesn't (see Vince Young the year they won it all). You are also correct in that you shouldn't penalize a player based on his team and the talent around him. Honestly, I think Bradford and McCoy are a wash this year. I think the two of them should have 100% of the votes for 1st place. You can't even use head to head to separate them because BOTH QB's were great in that game. If you say that McCoy brought his team from behind in the 4th, you have to look at the fact Bradford threw for 5 TD's. What else does he need to do to win? Play safety? Neither QB had a "bad" game either. McCoy was good and played well enough to win including another comeback against TT. The only separating thing I could see anyone using is the fact that McCoy had to do more for his team, and he did it. It's unfair to penalize Bradford for that, but it's also unfair not to reward McCoy for it. Honestly, and this is coming from a huge UT fan, they ought to hand both of them the award and call it the first ever tie. Sorry Tebow peeps, he's a great player, but he's not worth of the Heisman this year, not with what Bradford, McCoy, and even Harrell have done.