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Heisman Watch according to ESPiN

ESPN's Take


By Adam Rittenberg, ESPN.com

Editor's note: Each week, ESPN.com asks one of its Heisman Watch voters to explain his/her picks. You can register your vote at 2008 Vote Heisman.

The Heisman Watch can be fickle and unforgiving. Last week, Chase Daniel topped my list. Now he's nowhere to be found. A different Big 12 quarterback (Colt McCoy) is the flavor of the hour. The good news is Daniel has a chance to recharge his candidacy Saturday in Austin by beating Texas and outshining McCoy. Midway through another wild season, here's how I see the Heisman race shaking out:

1. Sam Bradford -- Week to week, he's consistently impressive and looks like the most NFL-ready quarterback out there. The loss to Texas stings, but Bradford still ranks second nationally in pass efficiency (201.2) and is tied for second in touchdown passes (23). His 387 passing yards Saturday marked the most ever for an Oklahoma quarterback against the Longhorns.

2. Colt McCoy -- Many people have McCoy on their top line after the last two weeks, and he certainly helped his cause by beating the nation's No. 1 team. McCoy doesn't have superstar targets like his Big 12 colleagues, but his completion percentage is mind-boggling (79.4) and he still stretches the field (11.9 yards per completion) without making mistakes.

3. Graham Harrell -- The jury is still out on Texas Tech, but Harrell gets it done every time he steps on the field. He had another efficient performance (20-for-25 passing, 2 TDs, rush TD) against Nebraska. Harrell ranks second nationally in total offense (384.5 ypg), and his ability to avoid mistakes in an all-pass offense -- three interceptions in 262 attempts -- can't be ignored.

4. Tim Tebow -- I stayed loyal to the defending Heisman winner even after the Ole Miss disaster, and he made me look smart this weekend. Tebow remains one of the nation's most dangerous players, and he finally has some healthy help around him. He lacks the video-game type stats of the Big 12 quarterbacks, but he'll stay in the mix with more big wins.

5. Javon Ringer -- College football's iron man turned in another gritty performance against Northwestern, eclipsing 100 rushing yards for the fifth time in seven games. Ringer's durability and knack for finding the end zone is undeniable, but his yards-per-carry average has dipped (4.5 ypc). A huge effort Saturday against Ohio State would certainly help his cause.

ESPN Experts Poll


Each week, ESPN.com's panel of experts casts its votes for the top Heisman candidates. The panel consists of analysts, former players, former coaches and ESPN.com's college football staff.

Votes: 1st place = 5 points, 2nd place = 4, 3rd place = 3, 4th place = 2, 5th place = 1.

NamePositionSchoolYear1st2nd3rd4th5thTotal
Colt McCoyQBTexasJr.9410064
Sam BradfordQBOklahomaSo.5721061
Chase DanielQBMissouriSr.0162127
Javon RingerRBMichigan StateSr.0124321
Graham HarrellQBTexas TechSr.0036021
Max HallQBBYUJr.0200513
Jeremy Maclin WRMissouriSo.100005
Tim Tebow QBFloridaJr.000215
Percy Harvin RB/WRFloridaJr.001003
Michael CrabtreeWRTexas TechSo.000022
Donald BrownRBUConnJr.000022
Daryll ClarkQBPenn StateJr.000011

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if penn st goes unbeaten either the qb or rb will somehow win the heisman.
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it should be colt or bradford right now.. still got a long season
If Ringer had a good team he'd be right up there.

but im just glad they finally shut up about Chase Daniel.. he actually played a team worth mentioning and got shut down.

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it should be colt or bradford right now.. still got a long season
If Ringer had a good team he'd be right up there.

but im just glad they finally shut up about Chase Daniel.. he actually played a team worth mentioning and got shut down.
Hopefully, that will happen again Saturday.

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Hopefully, that will happen again Saturday.

oh i'm sure Orakpo and Kindle will have fun chasing Chase around the backfield all night.
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1. Sam Bradford -- Week to week, he's consistently impressive and looks like the most NFL-ready quarterback out there. The loss to Texas stings, but Bradford still ranks second nationally in pass efficiency (201.2) and is tied for second in touchdown passes (23). His 387 passing yards Saturday marked the most ever for an Oklahoma quarterback against the Longhorns.
LOL, why does most NFL-ready mean "best college player"?

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Aside: Why is the college passer rating go up higher than the NFL's?
The obvious answer is ... they use a different formula . None of the articles I found really state why they don't use the same system, just show the two formulas .

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East Coast bias? Say it ain't so, Joe!
the media loves a story like penn state, the further they make it without a loss the more hype they will get, and it has been how long since a penn state player was even mentioned in the running.
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the media loves a story like penn state, the further they make it without a loss the more hype they will get, and it has been how long since a penn state player was even mentioned in the running.
was lavar arrington in the running? maybe a stupid question but he stands out in my mind as the best penn state player in recent times...
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was lavar arrington in the running? maybe a stupid question but he stands out in my mind as the best penn state player in recent times...

heh he is probably top 5 of all time as for LB in the history of college football.. injuries killed him in the nfl

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Graham Harrell is a piece of shit. The only thing he should win is a giant cock up his ass.
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He's just a classless prick. He talks shit to fans in the stadiums he plays in, etc. Oh, yeah. From what I hear, he beats his girlfriend as well. Of course, that will never make the media.
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He's just a classless prick. He talks shit to fans in the stadiums he plays in, etc. Oh, yeah. From what I hear, he beats his girlfriend as well. Of course, that will never make the media.
I've seen him talking shit to the crowd. That's a no-win situation.

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Meaning it's excusable, or meaning he should just shut the fuck up and play?
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3. Graham Harrell -- The jury is still out on Texas Tech, but Harrell gets it done every time he steps on the field. He had another efficient performance (20-for-25 passing, 2 TDs, rush TD) against Nebraska. Harrell ranks second nationally in total offense (384.5 ypg), and his ability to avoid mistakes in an all-pass offense -- three interceptions in 262 attempts -- can't be ignored.
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was lavar arrington in the running? maybe a stupid question but he stands out in my mind as the best penn state player in recent times...
Pretty sure Larry Johnson came in 3rd or 4th his senior year. Before that Lavar Arrington and maybe Curtis Enis got a few votes but weren't invited to the presentation. And I think Kijana Carter was runner-up when Rashaan Salaam won it.

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Meaning it's excusable, or meaning he should just shut the fuck up and play?
Shut up and play!

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Story?

just go to hornfans.com and do a search. I know of at least one thread where people who played against him in HS talk about the douchebaggery that went on when his team won and what a piss poor loser he is when his team lost. When i hear of players of ANY sport acting like this it makes me wish total failure on them.
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just go to hornfans.com and do a search. I know of at least one thread where people who played against him in HS talk about the douchebaggery that went on when his team won and what a piss poor loser he is when his team lost. When i hear of players of ANY sport acting like this it makes me wish total failure on them.
I knew he was a bit of a dickhead in H.S. @ Ennis, because Midlothian played against him some. His daddy is the AD/Head Coach at Ennis, and has been for years.

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just go to hornfans.com and do a search. I know of at least one thread where people who played against him in HS talk about the douchebaggery that went on when his team won and what a piss poor loser he is when his team lost. When i hear of players of ANY sport acting like this it makes me wish total failure on them.
No WAY!!! A sports player that is cocky when winning and pissed off when losing.... Say it aint so...

Find me the pushover without a shred of leadership (cockyness/douchbaggery) that also dosen't have the will to win! Ohhh BOY! Where do I sign so I can get him to lead my offense. Just sayin

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No WAY!!! A sports player that is cocky when winning and pissed off when losing.... Say it aint so...

Find me the pushover without a shred of leadership (cockyness/douchbaggery) that also dosen't have the will to win! Ohhh BOY! Where do I sign so I can get him to lead my offense. Just sayin

Their is a diference in knowing how to lose and acting like a child when you lose. Same as having good sportsmenship when you win and being a total dickhole about it. Harrell acts like a child when he loses and a dickhole when he wins. I'm glad that piece of shit is on your team.

Just like last year when tech lost in austin. After running his mouth to the bench and crowd, he didn't seem to want to shake hands after the game. In fact, he RAN off the field to assure he wouldn't have to. The funny thing is, Frank Okam chased after him to shake his hand.

so please don't sit their and try to tell me EVERY good player acts like that, cause they don't, THANK GOD.


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Their is a diference in knowing how to lose and acting like a child when you lose. Same as having good sportsmenship when you win and being a total dickhole about it. Harrell acts like a child when he loses and a dickhole when he wins. I'm glad that piece of shit is on your team.

Just like last year when tech lost in austin. After running his mouth to the bench and crowd, he didn't seem to want to shake hands after the game. In fact, he RAN off the field to assure he wouldn't have to. The funny thing is, Frank Okam chased after him to shake his hand.

so please don't sit their and try to tell me EVERY good player acts like that, cause they don't, THANK GOD.


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Harrells first year as a starter, I can't disagree with you. In fact he had a fit as a sophmore that branded him for quite a while. Since then I think he has composed himself and took on the role he needs to. In all honesty what do you expect from a bunch of kids fresh out of highschool stuck in the national media. With age comes maturity who we, 6 and 7 years their elder should know.

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Harrells first year as a starter, I can't disagree with you. In fact he had a fit as a sophmore that branded him for quite a while. Since then I think he has composed himself and took on the role he needs to. In all honesty what do you expect from a bunch of kids fresh out of highschool stuck in the national media. With age comes maturity who we, 6 and 7 years their elder should know.

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and now today as a SENIOR he is taunting the aggy fans behind the bench. Just sit down and pay attention to your coaches for crying out loud. If Tech loses this game, we'll see Harrell set a record on how fast you can run to the locker room.

it's an every game thing from him, not just when he was younger. just sayin
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and now today as a SENIOR he is taunting the aggy fans behind the bench. Just sit down and pay attention to your coaches for crying out loud. If Tech loses this game, we'll see Harrell set a record on how fast you can run to the locker room.

it's an every game thing from him, not just when he was younger. just sayin
A&M beat Tech? I just got wood...seriously. That would make my weekend (other that UT whipping Mizzou like a rented mule).

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A&M beat Tech? I just got wood...seriously. That would make my weekend (other that UT whipping Mizzou like a rented mule).


tech doesn't stop making misstakes it's going to happen. Plus, this new tech D is really impressive
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Harell isnt exactly the measuring stick for humility. HOWEVER, if he pissed off the aggy fans, cry me a river. These are the same "classy" fans who talk about "Cart McCry," fling poop on the Texas band, and contemplate "mirror outs," all while proclaiming to be the classiest fans in the world.

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Harell isnt exactly the measuring stick for humility. HOWEVER, if he pissed off the aggy fans, cry me a river. These are the same "classy" fans who talk about "Cart McCry," fling poop on the Texas band, and contemplate "mirror outs," all while proclaiming to be the classiest fans in the world.

agree, but that's a WHOLE different story.
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Harell isnt exactly the measuring stick for humility. HOWEVER, if he pissed off the aggy fans, cry me a river. These are the same "classy" fans who talk about "Cart McCry," fling poop on the Texas band, and contemplate "mirror outs," all while proclaiming to be the classiest fans in the world.
ok what is a mirror out????


Colt showing the last two weeks should lock it up if the horns go undefeated.
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There were mulitple posts on TexAggy about everyone bringing a mirror to the game and trying to blind the Tech QB and WRs.


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Colt showing the last two weeks should lock it up if the horns go undefeated.

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well i mean come on if your team is that bad and you are playing a team that is 2nd or 3rd in scoring wouldn't you try to help your team out any way you could
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Thank you for that point Hookem. Besides, bert89coupe, from the look that the cameras gave me he was throwing his arms up and yelling to the crowd after the TD. Yelling something that neither of US can make out. But in the shot right before they went to Harrell it looked like a section intertwined with Tech Alumni. So, who is to say it wasn't yelling to the Tech crowd to pump them up as well as himself?

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Thank you for that point Hookem. Besides, bert89coupe, from the look that the cameras gave me he was throwing his arms up and yelling to the crowd after the TD. Yelling something that neither of US can make out. But in the shot right before they went to Harrell it looked like a section intertwined with Tech Alumni. So, who is to say it wasn't yelling to the Tech crowd to pump them up as well as himself?

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post #41 of 55 (permalink) Old 10-19-2008, 09:28 AM
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Thank you for that point Hookem. Besides, bert89coupe, from the look that the cameras gave me he was throwing his arms up and yelling to the crowd after the TD. Yelling something that neither of US can make out. But in the shot right before they went to Harrell it looked like a section intertwined with Tech Alumni. So, who is to say it wasn't yelling to the Tech crowd to pump them up as well as himself?

It?s cool though?Hey I have a great idea. It?s gonna make millions. It?s called a... Jump?.to conclusions mat?.

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Their is a diference in knowing how to lose and acting like a child when you lose. Same as having good sportsmenship when you win and being a total dickhole about it. Harrell acts like a child when he loses and a dickhole when he wins. I'm glad that piece of shit is on your team.

Just like last year when tech lost in austin. After running his mouth to the bench and crowd, he didn't seem to want to shake hands after the game. In fact, he RAN off the field to assure he wouldn't have to. The funny thing is, Frank Okam chased after him to shake his hand.

so please don't sit their and try to tell me EVERY good player acts like that, cause they don't, THANK GOD.


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Do they teach the difference between 'there' and 'their' at the school you root for?




BTW, is the Heisman awarded to the nicest player in college football or what they consider to be the best player in college football? I don't really keep track of all that stuff. I'm pretty sure it's not homecoming king, it's on-field performance... and of course cool tongue in cheek election videos on Youtube.

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post #43 of 55 (permalink) Old 10-20-2008, 07:10 AM
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Do they teach the difference between 'there' and 'their' at the school you root for?




BTW, is the Heisman awarded to the nicest player in college football or what they consider to be the best player in college football? I don't really keep track of all that stuff. I'm pretty sure it's not homecoming king, it's on-field performance... and of course cool tongue in cheek election videos on Youtube.
Harrell is going to have to beat a few good teams before he's a viable candidate. But yes, it's the best player in football that gets the Heisman, but coaches vote on it, and they ALWAYS mention the character of the individual at the ceremony. Technically, it shouldn't play a role in their decision, but I can assure you it does.

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Colt belongs at #1 right as for Heisman..

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no, fucker, apparently they don't!
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post #46 of 55 (permalink) Old 10-20-2008, 12:22 PM
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Harrell is that bad of a sport i guess i dont pay attention to enough of there games did it just start this year.
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Harrell is that bad of a sport i guess i dont pay attention to enough of there games did it just start this year.
No, he's been a winey baby since high school.

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I don't think so.
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Bosworth will be somewhere on that list...I didn't like him, but that fucker was bad to the bone in college.


Ice cold, bitches. What abortion of a movie was that anyways? lol!
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It was Stone Cold, Sir.

for the record...I liked that movie!


That's what I thought it was, but when I started to type it out, I second guessed myself and thought I might be confusing it with another abortion of a movie that Steve Austin did.
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