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NBA Officials rigging games? Could Maston have been right?

Just got a breaking news alert from the ticket that an NBA official has been rigging the games. The news is on the commissioners desk, but nobody is saying who yet.


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If its Benet Salvatore is more then a pee-pee dance
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If its Benet Salvatore is more then a pee-pee dance
Just the name sounds like he's got mob ties.
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Ya, the Spurs won't win shit now without the refs' help!
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Cram it, Aggie.



You claimed that Stern was the one behind it all. Not a ref.



This is HUGE. I'm ready for the rest of the details to come out.



Why would they publish this, before they make the arrest? It gives him a chance to run.
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Cram it, Aggie.



You claimed that Stern was the one behind it all. Not a ref.



This is HUGE. I'm ready for the rest of the details to come out.



Why would they publish this, before they make the arrest? It gives him a chance to run.
I think it's more than evident now. The investigation is well underway and too many people are being questioned anyway. Better that they come out with it to avoid looking dumb and have a leak.
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You claimed that Stern was the one behind it all. Not a ref.
Why would they publish this, before they make the arrest? It gives him a chance to run.
Who the hell cares who's behind it. FIXED CALLS FUCKING HAPPENS AND YOU FUCKTARDS WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT. Are you dumbass NBA fans still going to keep you're eyes closed after this? Your perfect league that you love so much is imperfect!!!!


And I thought it is also unfortunate to leak this information before arrests are made. Don't they usually keep Mob investigations secret so that potential witnesses and suspects don't get killed?

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Ya, the Spurs won't win shit now without the refs' help!

yeah all 4 times....I could see that coming from a Mavs fan to....
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I don't think it hurt the Mavs this year (they stunk it up against GS), but last year against D-Wade? Absofuckinglutely. Enough to change the entire series, imo.

And Mastadon, who ever said the NBA is perfect? Nothing is perfect. Bad people are everywhere; I'm just glad this ref is getting caught.
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And Mastadon, who ever said the NBA is perfect? Nothing is perfect. Bad people are everywhere; I'm just glad this ref is getting caught.
Yeah, but there diehard tools on this board whom have called me an idiot because there was no way a ref could/would throw a game.

BTW: They're not posting up about this.

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NO more refs...everyone call your own fouls. that will fix that shit..
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I don't think it hurt the Mavs this year (they stunk it up against GS), but last year against D-Wade? Absofuckinglutely. Enough to change the entire series, imo.

And Mastadon, who ever said the NBA is perfect? Nothing is perfect. Bad people are everywhere; I'm just glad this ref is getting caught.

I think it did change the outcome of the Mavs and Heat Series for sure...Mavs should have had that one under the belt
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NO more refs...everyone call your own fouls. that will fix that shit..
It would probably yeild at least similar results.
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Yeah, but there diehard tools on this board whom have called me an idiot because there was no way a ref could/would throw a game.

BTW: They're not posting up about this.
But the people who have called you an idiot for other reasons are
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Because you can spot the shiesty NCAA officials as well?
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Yeah, but there diehard tools on this board whom have called me an idiot because there was no way a ref could/would throw a game.

BTW: They're not posting up about this.



I've called you an idiot for years, for other reasons. You've chilled out a bit since then though.


I NEVER claimed the NBA was perfect. Just your whole spiel on the rigging of the NBA, seemed like your tin foil hat was on a bit too tight. That's not to say I blindly stood behind every call and decision made, because I didn't. I just thought your "Stern is a puppetmaster" conspiracy theory was a bid far fetched. Who knows. He may be behind it as well. Only the FBI knows at this point.


I'll admit when I was wrong. And that's as good as you're going to get from me.
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I won't say what I think until they find out which official/s and which games were affected.
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I won't say what I think until they find out which official/s and which games were affected.



A guy I work with told me they released a name earlier. Some Irish guy from Philly. I can't remember his name at the moment though.


I don't know if there is any truth to that.
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LOL, I would like to see his face when he said that. Prolly +


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When I saw this story break, I immediately thought about Maston's comments about the NBA being fixed and the Mavs getting jobbed in the Finals.

I think Maston deserves at least some partial credit here on calling the NBA being fixed even though he had the wrong person behind the fixing.

This is a REALLY BIG deal because this pulls in to question the legitimacy of the entire league as a whole even though only one person, that we know of, is involved. Mark Cuban obviously knew something was up or else he wouldn't spend money/time on having the refs' calls tracked/recorded by his own people.

Not only am I interested to see what this guy has to say once he does turn himself in to the FBI, but I'd also like to know what games he fixed and if he fixed any Mavs games.
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When I saw this story break, I immediately thought about Maston's comments about the NBA being fixed and the Mavs getting jobbed in the Finals.

I think Maston deserves at least some partial credit here on calling the NBA being fixed even though he had the wrong person behind the fixing.

This is a REALLY BIG deal because this pulls in to question the legitimacy of the entire league as a whole even though only one person, that we know of, is involved. Mark Cuban obviously knew something was up or else he wouldn't spend money/time on having the refs' calls tracked/recorded by his own people.

Not only am I interested to see what this guy has to say once he does turn himself in to the FBI, but I'd also like to know what games he fixed and if he fixed any Mavs games
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The Mavs loss to the Heat and Warriors was all part of the conspiracy.

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You retards still have it ALL WRONG!!!

I still love how some of you only think of the Mavs. I HAVEN'T! I've been more aggravated by the poor officiating and obvious agenda of the officials because not only does it effect the future of Basketball, but of All Sports. Just Sports in general. And as a Sports Fan, I can't stand the third team affecting a game.

Was I accusing the wrong source, YES. But I still told you people to open your eyes, and you kept them closed. Accusing me of being a conspiracy theorist or just plain stupid.

However, the NBA office hasn't been "cleared of all charges".

I told you, as long as you keep buying tickets, shirts, and hats, this will continue. And it turns out I was correct: THE NBA KNEW THAT THE FBI WAS INVESTINGATING DONAGHY BEFORE THE 2006-2007 SEASON BEGAN!!! Why did they keep him as an official? Because of YOU! They thought they were untouchable because you people kept watching, buying, and believing there was nothing wrong. As Stern always says “League popularity is at an all time high.” And you kept believing him.

You kept your eyes closed because of your selfish personal agendas of "As long as it doesn't affect my [Blank], then I don't care." Insert Mavs, or Spurs or what ever in the blank.

But you don't get the greater damage poor officiating causes. This will not only cause a rift in the NBA, it will cause distrust in every sport that we love. But you people kept feeding the pig.

Now then, take off your Spurs Pennet spares fans. Everyone else take off your blinders. Check out this article written by Bill Simmons.
“Here's what I wrote after the third game -- the Spurs were favored by four, with an over/under of 200.5 -- after San Antonio prevailed, 108-101, thanks to Amare Stoudemire playing just 21 minutes because of foul trouble:


Congratulations to Greg Willard, Tim Donaghy and Eddie F. Rush for giving us the most atrociously officiated game of the playoffs so far: Game 3 of the Suns-Spurs series. Bennett Salvatore, Tom Washington and Violet Palmer must have been outraged that they weren't involved in this mess. Good golly. Most of the calls favored the Spurs, but I don't even think the refs were biased -- they were so incompetent that there was no rhyme or reason to anything that was happening. Other than the latest call in NBA history (a shooting foul for Manu Ginobili whistled three seconds after the play, when everyone was already running in the other direction), my favorite moment happened near the end, when the game was already over and they called a cheap bump on Bruce Bowen against Nash, so the cameras caught Mike D'Antoni (the most entertaining coach in the league if he's not getting calls) screaming sarcastically, "Why start now? Why bother?" What a travesty. Not since the cocaine era from 1978-1986 has the league faced a bigger ongoing issue than crappy officiating.

Now ...
Before the Donaghy scandal broke, if you told me there was a compromised official working a 2007 playoff game and made me guess the game, I would have selected Game 3 of the Spurs-Suns series. There were some jaw-dropping calls throughout, specifically, the aforementioned Ginobili call and Bowen hacking Nash on a no-call drive that ABC replayed from its basket camera (leading to a technical from D'Antoni). Both times, Mike Breen felt obligated to break the unwritten code that play-by-play announcers -- don't challenge calls and openly questioned what had happened. The whole game was strange. Something seemed off about it.”
I don’t remember, but what were the reactions to such poor officiating on this board? https://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/show...ighlight=Spurs Really makes me wonder if you people even know what officiating is. I don’t know anything about this specific game, because I didn’t watch a full game last year as I would NOT pay the pig.

I also like what Simmons says here:
”At the time, I assumed the league had given us another "coincidence" where three subpar refs (and calling that crew "subpar" is being kind) were assigned to a Game 3 in which, for the interest of a long series, everyone was better off having the home team prevail ... just like I anticipated another "coincidence" in which one of the best referees would work Game 4 to give Phoenix a fair shake in a game that, statistically, they were more likely to win. After all, it's easier to win Game 4 on the road than Game 3, when the fans are pumped up and the home team is happy to be home.(Which is exactly how it played out. Steve Javie worked Game 4, a guy who Jeff Van Gundy deemed "the best ref in the league" during the Finals. Hmmmm.) Look, this could have been an elaborate series of connected flukes. I'm just telling you that none of it surprised me. Which is part of the problem.”
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Really makes you wonder, if the NBA knew about the investigation before this season started, why did they enact the "ejection for bitching" rule?

FROM 2004:
On Monday, Coach Phil Jackson said one of the reasons he'd refused to take questions Sunday afternoon was to eliminate the urge to criticize the referees. His musings on the league and its referees this season cost him $100,000.

But, by Monday, having watched the first quarter again, Jackson still was frustrated by the officiating, particularly when it came to O'Neal in the post against King center Vlade Divac.

"Shaq got taken out of the ballgame," Jackson said. "The NBA has been watching these games for how many years? We played them in the playoffs for four out of the five years? Every time at the beginning of the game, Vlade does all the same stuff, and the referees fall for the same Vlade flop stuff year in and year out. And if they don't know enough - and I went over to the referee [Tim Donaghy] and said, 'If you don't know enough to [let them] play through that stuff, you're just eliminating Shaq from the game.' You don't want to take him out of the game. You don't want to make this game different from what it should be. And players shouldn't be rewarded for this kind of an act. You're rewarding this guy for this act. That's totally unfortunate."

O'Neal would only say that Sunday's game was "predetermined," presumably by the referees.
"Obviously," he said, "I'm not allowed to say what I want to say without being fined."

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I now..thats why Stern will have to ref all the nba games next season. Then the Spurs would win a again
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Did anyone watch the press conference this morning? Absolutely proceless. I had to pause the TiVo multiple times to keep from laughing bleary-eyed through another question.

Basically Stern says the NBA knew nothing, and did all it could do to prevent anyone from rigging games and he can't say any more, whether he knows more or not, for fear of compromising the FBis investigation.

"Doing all you can does not mean that criminal activity can be prevented."

I hope David Stern is my lawyer, LOLz.
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What a fucking joke. Stern needs to be shitcanned, STAT.
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Really, though... was this any different than the MLB's reaction to steroid use?
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They might have been referring to your anus. Non-stick, no grease needed.
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