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Over-Under for the 2007-2008 NFL Season

The Las Vegas Hilton has put up these over-under odds in regards to the upcoming 2007-2008 NFL season:

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/...379/-1/COLUMNS

11 wins: New England Patriots

10 wins: Indianapolis and San Diego

10 wins: Chicago

9 wins: Denver

9 wins: Baltimore, Carolina, Cincinnati, Dallas, New Orleans, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Seattle

8 wins: Jacksonville

8 wins: Kansas City, New York Giants and New York Jets

7 wins: Atlanta, Green Bay, St. Louis and Washington

7 wins: Arizona, Miami, San Francisco, Tampa Bay and Tennessee

6 wins: Houston and Minnesota

6 wins: Buffalo and Detroit

5 wins: Cleveland

5 wins: Oakland

I guess Vegas has no faith in Tony Romo being the #1 starter for the entire season and WP being in charge of the 'D' I'd say Dallas is at least a 10-win team simply from the fact that they won 9 games with Romo only starting 10 games all season.

On a sidenote: Hollywood, you should go put down a bunch of money right now seeing as how you are 100% certain that the 49'ers are going to be better than their 7 win season last year.
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Without looking at the schedules, I'll take the over on Minn and SF, and the under on Pitt and GB.

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Without looking at the schedules, I'll take the over on Minn and SF, and the under on Pitt and GB.
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The Las Vegas Hilton has put up these over-under odds in regards to the upcoming 2007-2008 NFL season:

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/...379/-1/COLUMNS

11 wins: New England Patriots

10 wins: Indianapolis and San Diego

10 wins: Chicago

9 wins: Denver

9 wins: Baltimore, Carolina, Cincinnati, Dallas, New Orleans, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Seattle

8 wins: Jacksonville

8 wins: Kansas City, New York Giants and New York Jets

7 wins: Atlanta, Green Bay, St. Louis and Washington

7 wins: Arizona, Miami, San Francisco, Tampa Bay and Tennessee

6 wins: Houston and Minnesota

6 wins: Buffalo and Detroit

5 wins: Cleveland

5 wins: Oakland

I guess Vegas has no faith in Tony Romo being the #1 starter for the entire season and WP being in charge of the 'D' I'd say Dallas is at least a 10-win team simply from the fact that they won 9 games with Romo only starting 10 games all season.

On a sidenote: Hollywood, you should go put down a bunch of money right now seeing as how you are 100% certain that the 49'ers are going to be better than their 7 win season last year.
A new coaching staff can change that, for the better or the worse, in a hurry.
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A new coaching staff can change that, for the better or the worse, in a hurry.
See my Pitt pick

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Did they pick up another QB?
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I guess Vegas has no faith in Tony Romo being the #1 starter for the entire season and WP being in charge of the 'D' I'd say Dallas is at least a 10-win team simply from the fact that they won 9 games with Romo only starting 10 games all season.
Dallas will never do anything meaningful with Romo at QB. Or place kicker.

Seriously, he's not big or strong enough to be a franchise QB.
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Did they pick up another QB?

They picked up Ramsey, but Cutler will have a good year. I still hold out hope that Elway will come out of retirement

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They picked up Ramsey, but Cutler will have a good year. I still hold out hope that Elway will come out of retirement
Why? He'd have to have hip surgery as soon as Merriman hits him.
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Trust me, with Porter gone and a new coach, I'm not expecting them to do great. Also, Alan Faneca (guard), is unhappy and will probably play poorly this season just out of spite.
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I think the Mavs in 6 also.....hopefully they can make quick work of them, but with a few games in Cali, I don't see a sweep. Their place is going to be a mad house.
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Why? He'd have to have hip surgery as soon as Merriman hits him.

With his glass shoulder? Steroids have weaked him. And much like the LS1 and the Cummins, Elway was a direct God design, even the big guy is a Broncos fan

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Dallas will never do anything meaningful with Romo at QB. Or place kicker.

Seriously, he's not big or strong enough to be a franchise QB.

well, your statement went down the shitter once badass2000gt agreed with you. So i hope you enjoy being wrong.



besides, how can you tell by one year if somebody isn't good enough to be a franchise QB? And it wasn't even a full year at qb at that. I'm not saying he's the qb of the future, but give him at least a couple of full seasons at qb before you throw him to the lions. (and i'll let y'all decide if i mean African lions or the Detroit Lions)
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sf has a fairly easy schedule compared to green bay. at the same time, im willing to place a bet that green bay will have a better record at the end of the season. i would rather have favre at the bottom of his career than alex smith anytime in his career plus defense wins games and green bay has that advantage.

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sf has a fairly easy schedule compared to green bay. at the same time, im willing to place a bet that green bay will have a better record at the end of the season. i would rather have favre at the bottom of his career than alex smith anytime in his career plus defense wins games and green bay has that advantage.

I'd put my money on SF's defense before GB's. SF upgraded their's in the offseason. Who does GB have?
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I can see how he is certianly not big enough to be a franchise quarterback.
For the record, Green Bay ain't doin shit this year either.

As for Romo, those games were a fluke. I can remember the end zone fumble that he miraculously picked back up and threw for a big gain. Every now and then, the ball bounces your way, but it won't hold up.

There is a reason he was on the bench for years with Bledsoe also not getting the job done. Romo is a good backup, not a good starter. IMO
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There is a reason he was on the bench for years with Bledsoe also not getting the job done. Romo is a good backup, not a good starter. IMO
Brady was a career bench rider until Bledsoe got hurt in NE, look how things turned out for him.
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Brady was a career bench rider until Bledsoe got hurt in NE, look how things turned out for him.
Add Steve Young to that list as well.
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Brady was a career bench rider until Bledsoe got hurt in NE, look how things turned out for him.
Agreed.

We'll see. Obviously I'm not ready to hand the Lombardi to Romo just yet. Every "good" thing he did in those three (!) games was offset and then some by the bad things he did in the next 4-5 games. When you see the talent pool in the NFL at the QB position, I think he falls short.
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I'd put my money on SF's defense before GB's. SF upgraded their's in the offseason. Who does GB have?
Hey well if you're willing to put money on it, well that makes two of us. SF's defense is weaker in every aspect compared to green bay's...the only comparable unit of the two is the secondary. nate clements was way over-paid. green bay has better lb's hands down and the line is also obviously better.

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Hey well if you're willing to put money on it, well that makes two of us. SF's defense is weaker in every aspect compared to green bay's...the only comparable unit of the two is the secondary. nate clements was way over-paid. green bay has better lb's hands down and the line is also obviously better.

GB's defense line is better, but not the LB. Other than Hawk, I can't name one LB for GB

SF"s Linebackers:

I'll take Derek Smith and his 100+ tackles (didn't have that many last season because he was out due to injury) over any of GB's LB's. Manny Lawson should break out this season now that he's starting, not that last season was all that bad with 60 tackles and a pair of sacks. Brandon Moore is not too shabby with 6.5 sacks last season.

SF's secondary has 3 Pro bowlers in it. Overpaid or not, Clements is a shutdown corner. He's never been a high interception guy, he just takes away that man. GB's secondary is good, not saying they are not, but SF's secondary is vastly improved. One thing that was overlooked was the fact that last year, SF had a guy playing nickel corner that wouldn't have been on most teams roster due to lack of depth and injuries. That problem has since been resolved.
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How about a pro bowler by the name of Nick Barnett...both Nick and AJ alone are better than any linebacker for the niners.

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With Tavaris Jackson at QB? LMFAO!!!!!

The Vikings don't have a QB worth a damn past him either with Brooks Bollinger and Drew Henson in the 2nd and 3rd string spots respectively.

MoonDog won't be posting on here at all this season either because they will still be in the 6-8 win range for this upcoming season.

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As for Romo, those games were a fluke. I can remember the end zone fumble that he miraculously picked back up and threw for a big gain. Every now and then, the ball bounces your way, but it won't hold up.

There is a reason he was on the bench for years with Bledsoe also not getting the job done. Romo is a good backup, not a good starter. IMO
Those games were not a fluke. He's got skills.

The reason he was on the bench all these years is because Dallas wasted their time trying to plug in has-beens and draft busts. While they were fucking around with Ryan Leaf and Chad Hutchinson, they could have been giving Romo snaps and could have had him developed already.

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With Tavaris Jackson at QB? LMFAO!!!!!

The Vikings don't have a QB worth a damn past him either with Brooks Bollinger and Drew Henson in the 2nd and 3rd string spots respectively.

MoonDog won't be posting on here at all this season either because they will still be in the 6-8 win range for this upcoming season.



Those games were not a fluke. He's got skills.

The reason he was on the bench all these years is because Dallas wasted their time trying to plug in has-beens and draft busts. While they were fucking around with Ryan Leaf and Chad Hutchinson, they could have been giving Romo snaps and could have had him developed already.
really you know this how? nobody thought tom brady was going to be shit till he played, while everybody was so sure C.simms was going to be good and look at what he has done. the qb postition is the hardest to tell how a player is gonna do till they play.
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Tavaris Jackson is actually a pretty good QB but Venom wouldn't know that by reading ESPN.com box scores.

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With what, how many INT's he'll throw this coming season?

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really you know this how? nobody thought tom brady was going to be shit till he played, while everybody was so sure C.simms was going to be good and look at what he has done. the qb postition is the hardest to tell how a player is gonna do till they play.
The only reason you are defending him is because he was a little piggie once and was going to beat out your boy Matt Jones before a shoulder injury prevented him from being a full-time starter.

As for Chris Simms, I think he's done pretty well seeing as how he came in and led his team to the playoffs during the 2005-2006 season. Not much he could do about it last year because he had no offensive line and then had his spleen burst on him.

Using Tom Brady as an example is pretty stupid as his situation is extremely rare.

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And I'm sure you know so much about him since you watched him at Alabama State, right?

He didn't impress at all last year after they yanked Brad Johnson and lost all the games he appeared in. The Vikings have a pretty good defense, but their offense has suffered severely ever since Culpepper and Moss left.
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[QUOTE=SVTVenom]With Tavaris Jackson at QB? LMFAO!!!!!

The Vikings don't have a QB worth a damn past him either with Brooks Bollinger and Drew Henson in the 2nd and 3rd string spots respectively.

MoonDog won't be posting on here at all this season either because they will still be in the 6-8 win range for this upcoming season.


Thank you, thats exactly what i was thinking. They have a good line and Peterson will run well behind them, but there QB needs a little more experience to really carry this team.
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Thank you, thats exactly what i was thinking. They have a good line and Peterson will run well behind them, but there QB needs a little more experience to really carry this team.
Peterson won't be the starter anyway. Chester Taylor had a great year last year, 1,216 yards/6 TD's, despite not much help elsewhere on offense. They definately have some good blockers to work with in Hutch and T-Rich.

I'd expect Peterson to split time with Taylor similar to how Thomas Jones and Cedric Benson did in Chicago.

A good QB takes the pressure off of a RB and Tavaris Jackson does not have the experience or skills necessary to do that. Just to prove that point, in every game Jackson started this past season, Taylor failed to gain over 50 yards in any of those games and was well below his season average of 4.0 YPC. Teams stacked the line because they knew Jackson couldn't beat them.
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With what, how many INT's he'll throw this coming season?



The only reason you are defending him is because he was a little piggie once and was going to beat out your boy Matt Jones before a shoulder injury prevented him from being a full-time starter.

As for Chris Simms, I think he's done pretty well seeing as how he came in and led his team to the playoffs during the 2005-2006 season. Not much he could do about it last year because he had no offensive line and then had his spleen burst on him.

Using Tom Brady as an example is pretty stupid as his situation is extremely rare.



And I'm sure you know so much about him since you watched him at Alabama State, right?

He didn't impress at all last year after they yanked Brad Johnson and lost all the games he appeared in. The Vikings have a pretty good defense, but their offense has suffered severely ever since Culpepper and Moss left.
who used to be a razorback? I don't know who that guy is, all Iam saying you can't say which qb is going to be good and which one isn't. take warren moon, no nfl team thought much of him till after he played a few years in the CFL.
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Dallas will never do anything meaningful with Romo at QB. Or place kicker.

Seriously, he's not big or strong enough to be a franchise QB.

Firstly,
P. Manning - 230 lbs 6'-5"
T. Romo - 225lbs 6'-2"
D. Brees - 209 lbs 6'-0"
B. Farve - 222 lbs 6'-2"


He seems to me that he's big enough.

Secondly, he's not the holder or "place kicker".




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1) Romo was the holder, not the place kicker


2)

Brett Favre #4 | Quarterback | Green Bay Packers
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Height: 6-2 Weight: 222

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Height: 6-2
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I can see how he is certianly not big enough to be a franchise quarterback.
i didnt even notice this here... but yeah!!!




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who used to be a razorback? I don't know who that guy is, all Iam saying you can't say which qb is going to be good and which one isn't. take warren moon, no nfl team thought much of him till after he played a few years in the CFL.
Tavaris Jackson played for Arkansas before he ran into injury problems and then transferred to Alabama State when Nutt named Matt Jones the starter.

Nobody can say for certain who will or will not be successful, but there are indicators that can give you an idea of what someone will do. He didn't play against tough competition in college and did not impress in the games he did start last year.

Again, Warren Moon is an exception to the rule and that was also in a very different era than the current one. Racism at the QB spot was alot higher back then than it is today.
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